What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Whoopsie Daisy]

I understand the concept of M.A.D., I just think the fact it HASN'T happened is more proof nukes don't exist than they do.
If they did exist, there's no way we wouldn't have made annihilation happen by now. In 80 entire years of thousands and thousands of nukes existing, you really mean to tell me not one prideful world leader said "throw em"? People are cruel and our structures don't work, there's just no way we would have the soundness of mind to ever wield a weapon like that an not instantly destroy ourselves with it. What's more likely, we lied to end a war, or we built a mega ultra super death weapon?

If there was a group that controls the world, they wouldn't nuke the niggercattle.

 

[Rumpled Foreskin]

Is it true the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883, produced radio waves, or some such? I’ve been going crazy trying to verify this. I’ve been re-reading The Chariots of the Gods?, the Lost Tomb of Viracocha, and crap like that.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

I understand the concept of M.A.D., I just think the fact it HASN'T happened is more proof nukes don't exist than they do.
If they did exist, there's no way we wouldn't have made annihilation happen by now. In 80 entire years of thousands and thousands of nukes existing, you really mean to tell me not one prideful world leader said "throw em"? People are cruel and our structures don't work, there's just no way we would have the soundness of mind to ever wield a weapon like that an not instantly destroy ourselves with it. What's more likely, we lied to end a war, or we built a mega ultra super death weapon?

If a US president or a Soviet premier won't full retard and tried to launch nukes for no reason the military and the cabinet would step in to remove them. The president doesn't have a big red "LAUNCH ALL THE FUCKING NUKES!!!" button on his desk. Then you have the lesser nuke powers like China that are purely second strike only hence why they only have ~500 nukes. If nukes are fake then explain nuclear reactors. People who don't believe in nukes are on the same level as flat earthers: retarded.

 

[Fek]

Such great topics the last couple pages. Love it!

We're intimately connected to the world in ways we don't yet understand, but science still views a body as an isolate sack of chemical reactions and a strict boundary between inside and outside.

Seems woefully behind, doesn't it? I would suggest that anyone who'd dare dig into relations between one's body and other "outside" phenomena would find the very idea of things being separate from one another fairly silly. The brain in particular has had several studies performed which suggest a correlation between thoughts and outcome.

Morphic resonance comes to mind as a wonderful example (particularly for those more inclined to "left braining") with several cases of both plants and animals (humans included) demonstrating the clear connection we all possess to that which surrounds us. There is clearly more to it than meets the eye.

Things like "is time actually real", or are we just seeing "now" for some other reason?

I find the idea agreeable which states that time is a handy reference, but no matter what time it is? One is always "here", and it is always "now". The spacious present, if you will. It's only real insofar as humanity continues to agree to its collective use, I would suggest.

it sounds to me like living with a very "real" dream overlaid on his normal experiences.

One might say a dream within a dream we call reality, even. Highly recommend to anyone interested in time, dreams, and/or PKD a full watch (edit: really only necessary til about 8:30ish into it) of the previous link if not seen before.

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

Only thing I can think of while reading the last several pages of an otherwise great thread:


To get everyone to chill out, check out this wholesome image of Jews eagerly reading about cool conspiracies online (see, they’re not so different than us):



Damn I just realized the shitshow has been deleted/moved by a mod. Well, for anybody wondering about that gap between Thursday and Saturday a few pages back…

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Back on-topic, this discussion of the NIF and trickle-down technology made me think how advanced lithography is performed in the semiconductor industry, specifically extreme ultraviolet (EUV). Without going into too much detail, ASML’s giant EUV machines behave not too differently than the NIF (perfectly timed precision drops of fluid targeted with ultra-fast/delicate lasers in a damn-near perfectly controlled environment). Besides being used to make advanced chips, I can kinda see why the west isn’t allowing ASML’s new lithography tools to be sold to China (technology has way more use-cases beyond making tiny patterns on silicon).


ASML’s EUV machine w/o cover panels (it extends several stories underground).


NIF. It’s bigger and more symmetrical, but I keep seeing more similarities than differences. It’s also older than the newer ASML stuff.

Just thinking out loud. Would be awesome if all these are direct descendants of Project Orion (another highlight in Dr. Freeman Dyson’s legacy).

 

[Otterly]

Re: embryonic development and electrical fields.
This is sort of how it works anyway. The development of structures from embryonic mush is mainly field based but chemical, so there will be a set of cells and there will be a chemical gradient set up, and there will be more of gene x expressed at one end than the other and the gradient of gene expression leads to graded development. Like ‘if lots of x, male fingertip.’ If a bit less, make middle bit of finger.’ Etc
It’s called a morphogenetic field https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morphogenetic_field
Since chemical gradients could be influenced by electrochemical/electric fields, what he suggests is pretty reasonable.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Remember how SARS 1 was laughed at by the media, mocked by comedians and ignored by the masses?
Remember how SARS 2 (COVID) was taken controlled by the media, scaremongered by comedians and taken super seriously by the masses?

Remember how we were told 2008 recession was the worst one since the great depression but really, it wasn't that bad. That prices back then were a fraction of what they are now and, mostly, the world shrugged and kept calm and carried on?

Well, the next recession, which will probably hit this year, will be COVID levels of bullshit and panic. The news will be non stop about unemployment, banks closing and people losing their house. It will be followed by purposeful disruptions to supply chains to reduce the food on shelves, causing panic, worry and, in cities where niggers are a majority, rampant looting and social unrest. Lockdowns, food packages, rations and martial law will be brought into effect to calm everything down. None of this will be true, or real, but the news will make sure people believe it is real.
We will see some horrendous bullshit that will make COVID lies look like a chocolate-smeared kid say they didn't eat the mars bars.

TL;DR - The 2008 recession will be SARS 1 compared to the COVID level of bullshit that the next recession will be.

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Another theory of mine:

People say that niggercattle ruined the internet when they joined en mass with the introduction of smartphones and the lowering of the bar that was the requirement of a PC to join the internet.
It wasn't the niggercattle or normies that ruined the internet, gentrification of the world wide web is what ruined the internet.

Moral busy-bodies, the laptop caste, and those middle/upper-class fart-huffers who are insulated from the real world, who live in a bubble, far detached from the everyday man and common peasant, flooded the internet with 'rules' and censorship to stop language that they found distasteful.

Consider the banter on a construction site, or on the shop floor of a factory to that of the 'banter' of the middle-managers office or boardroom. The beaurocratic class live in their own bubble, and exported that bubble onto the internet. Fuck, just look at reddit, that's the prime example of the laptop, insulated class ruining the internet. Can't say nigger, or faggot because words on a screen offend those who are thin-skinned and easily offended, and close to zero of people like that work on building sites.

If you want examples, look at this website. One that prides itself on been like the wild west of the internet, the old days of the turn of the millenium. Yet, it's plain to see the laptop caste - identified by the ones talking about software development, finances, Ai programming etc - ya know, the ones that haven't lived in the real world in their life, lecturing others about how things work.

Those people, those are the ones that ruined the internet, their opinions then taken super seriously, for reasons only known to God, which proliferated into the gaming and movie industry, which went on to ruin those as well, all while backing ridiculous notions of BLM and trans rights.

Gas the laptop caste, free the world.

 

[Meriasek]

You know more than I would, I'm only making loose inferences based on vague tidbits. I really only know the pop sci retelling of things in regards to the history of fusion projects, I just strongly suspect that by one means or another this tech or some other non-bomb-based nuclear pulse drive may be actively used, and the miniaturization of such tech would probably provide valuable data and resource to contribute to the energy-positive-fusion project.

Well, slight PL but I work somewhere in that field, so I get more into contact with the history and the technology. Miniaturisation isn't really a thing, the lasers have grown in size until NIF and even with all the advancements in technology (mainly pump diodes) they still need huge ass machinery. Lasers also suck in space, they will always produce massive amounts of waste heat, which is hard to remove in space.
But you know what you can actually miniaturise to some degree? Nuclear bombs. Has the added bonus that all the heat is outside the drive so little cooling is required compared to most other nuclear drives.
The dual use part of NIF and such is that nuclear weapons testing is restricted, and laser implosions give you decent approximations of fusion bomb conditions.
Although I also remember one of the old NIF founders and head honchos claiming at a recent conference that they totally achieved ignition even before NIF, but it was classified. The whole thing was a bit self-congratulatory and a masturbation show for the old guard of laser fusion tech, so take that how you want it.

Without going into too much detail, ASML’s giant EUV machines behave not too differently than the NIF (perfectly timed precision drops of fluid targeted with ultra-fast/delicate lasers in a damn-near perfectly controlled environment).

It's quite different, though. NIF has hundreds of beamlines targeting a single, static target, the ASML machine has a single laser hitting a moving target. Although a commercial fusion reactor would also involve a similar injection system for targets since they have to run at around 10 Hz to be viable. It's gonna be fun, hitting a sub mm sized moving target with hundreds of individual laser pulses in a very precisely timed manner. The fundamental laser designs are also vastly different (flashlamp pumped Nd:Glass amplifiers frequency tripled into UV vs CO2-laser-pulse induced tin plasma). Actually, the EUV light in the lithography machine isn't even coherent anymore.
Btw, neither ASML/Trumpf nor NIF use ultrafast lasers at the moment, they both use nanosecond pulses. The timing is gonna be really fun once people start to use femtosecond pulses.
Another side note, I once attended a seminar where there were two guys from Trumpf and ASML talking about their EUV machine and how they improved the efficiency (which is still pretty horrible to this day). The Trumpf EUV laser is a fun one, it uses a pulsed CO2 laser at 10.6µm wavelength to turn a tin drop into a plasma. After the talk I asked the guy, "Why CO2? They're hilariously inefficient, and you guys build much more compact disk lasers at near infrared wavelengths that are probably much easier to handle, and I don't see an advantage of far infrared over near infrared for the driver here". The answer? "Well, when we started the development of this there were no disk lasers powerful enough so we used CO2, and now we continue to use those because backwards compatibility with existing systems". Much of the size of the initial laser driver is just legacy tech, which I find hilarious. The lasers at NIF are also very obsolete by today's standards, although it's more understandable because pump diodes at this scale only very recently started to be even feasible. We still haven't seen a petawatt-class laser that is all diode pumped, they're all under construction/in development still. Pump intensity is still a problem.
ASML and Trumpf are very protective of this system because they basically have the market monopoly on EUV lithography. Nobody but Trumpf has a commercial EUV light source, nobody but Zeiss has commercial optics suitable, and nobody but ASML has the handling tech for this level of accuracy. China and Russia are dabbling in developing their own systems these days, and there isn't really any magic in any of the component. Generating EUV light can be done in various ways, I had a lab course in uni fiddling around with a plasma source from the early development days of EUV sources, back before Trumpf got their source commercialised and the world decided that laser-tin-plasma is the way to go. Russia is developing a new one, and it scares Trumpf. Even though they still need the optics (and meter-sized optics with that kind of surface accuracy are really hard) and handling machines. China is getting better and better at ultra high quality optics, so I don't doubt they'll figure out their own EUV lithography machine very soon. Again, there isn't any real magic in it, ASML/Trumpf/Zeiss were just the first ones to put it all together and have the industrial capacity to build them in series. But China will follow soon.
Then it's up to what is going to be the next step in electronics. If it even is going to be electronics per se. With 13.6 nm wavelength you can make very fine structures. Finer than what silicone electronics can even use, so the old Tick Tock development plan for computer chips is running into problems. Next step is either different materials or a radically different approach like spintronics. Which is still far from actually being ready.
Really, people just need to get back to programming efficiently.

 

[12345]

Another day, another news report of the odds of that asteroid hitting the moon have gone up, despite it moving away from us and supposedly more difficult to see and all that. Last numbers I saw are putting the likelihood of the moon being hit up around what they were saying the chances were it was going to hit the Earth earlier,

 

[teriyakiburns]

Another day, another news report of the odds of that asteroid hitting the moon have gone up, despite it moving away from us and supposedly more difficult to see and all that.

Difficult doesn't mean impossible, and "moving away" doesn't mean perpendicular to our view. Every observation they make of it increases the precision and accuracy of the calculation of its orbit, meaning that they can get a better and better idea of where it will be at any given moment in the future. Orbits are fairly predictable things once you know roughly where and in what direction an object is travelling.

 

[Overly Serious]

Not too sure about that.
LLNL does a lot of defense stuff for sure, and the NIF facility was directly dual use, but inertial fusion had been going on a lot longer than NIF. There had been previous experiments for ICF, and while maybe one motivation for nuclear fusion is also space drives, the main motivator for the LLNL experiments was always power generation (and as an added bonus, nuclear weapons research).
Granted, the idea for laser based inertial confinement fusion came just a few years after Project Orion was scrapped, in 1972, but given the immense size of the lasers required, I doubt they had been thinking about space drives first. Even now with decades of making lasers better and more efficient and compact, the required laser drivers are still huge.
I don't think much technology was "given" to LLNL since they rather publicly developed a lot of the tech they use. Like the glass slab melting processes, the optical coatings, the machinery for that... has been going on since the Cyclops laser.

Didn't Lockheed Martin file some odd patents a few years ago to do with nuclear fusion? I remember some conspiracy sperging that maybe they'd made some breakthrough but wanted to keep it under wraps.

 

[12345]

Difficult doesn't mean impossible, and "moving away" doesn't mean perpendicular to our view. Every observation they make of it increases the precision and accuracy of the calculation of its orbit, meaning that they can get a better and better idea of where it will be at any given moment in the future. Orbits are fairly predictable things once you know roughly where and in what direction an object is travelling.

Oh I get it, however they were previously saying in reports of how hard it would be to determine because it's moving away from us. We probably won't know anything for a couple of years or so. Then things went quiet. Then, oh hey! Good news, it's going to hit the moon probably, not us! And then OH BY THE WAY IT'S REALLY PROBABLY GOING TO HIT THE MOON NOW! FR!

Just the whiplash of it all, you know?
Plus also this is the conspiracy thread. Please stop normal-posting, and coming in here with your facts and logic and let a girl schizo-post, wouldya?

 

[Meriasek]

Didn't Lockheed Martin file some odd patents a few years ago to do with nuclear fusion? I remember some conspiracy sperging that maybe they'd made some breakthrough but wanted to keep it under wraps.

They announced some big fusion project from their Skunkworks department, claiming they'd have a working fusion reactor within a few years. They had some presentations, some basic sketches that made the approach look like a pretty basic magnetic mirror/cusp confinement approach, and then it disappeared and since nothing has been heard since 2019, it's probably been scrapped after it appeared that the "Compact Fusion Reactor" wouldn't be all that compact at all.
There was also the Polywell approach to nuclear fusion even more years ago that allegedly got snagged up by the US Navy, and then nothing came from it, either.
I mean, yeah, maybe the US military already has working nuclear fusion reactors or is much closer than the current enormous roster of fusion start ups, but, uh, I kinda doubt it. Doesn't seem like they used them anywhere yet, so what'd be the point? Maybe the next Ford-class carrier will have them?
I don't know. Hard to imagine. But the nuclear fusion race is heating up, with several start ups with rather interesting approaches planning on having net energy producing prototypes by the mid 30s. And I even believe some of them. Fusion isn't really just a matter of multinational government projects and large national labs anymore where the drip-feed funding can delay shit forever, with the current approaches and the funding acquired, I think they can do it without massive government interference or dual use requirements/focus.
So I don't see a point for anyone trying to keep a fusion reactor design under wraps. What good would it do? In the military, they already have nuclear reactors and all the major players have them. Fusion doesn't improve much since shit like supercarriers are not really limited by them. And in the civilian world, it'd be an absolute game changer. If anyone has a working fusion reactor, they would absolutely come out with it now, gives them more opportunity to control the technology and basically infinite prestige.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Another day, another news report of the odds of that asteroid hitting the moon have gone up, despite it moving away from us and supposedly more difficult to see and all that. Last numbers I saw are putting the likelihood of the moon being hit up around what they were saying the chances were it was going to hit the Earth earlier,

This is where we find out that the moon is either sentient or controlled by aliens. Just as the asteroid approaches, the moon shifts out of the way and the asteroid smashes into India, causing a tidal wave to drown pakistan and the middle east, while destroying the three gorges damn.

A loud chuckling is heard from the moon, followed by Roticulon for "you're welcome, humans".

 

[NoReturn]

It wasn't the niggercattle or normies that ruined the internet, gentrification of the world wide web is what ruined the internet.

I think it was both; a pincer-attack of bullshit. You had the "unwashed masses" for sure, but like you said, there was also this group of people who just came in and took over.
Like a combination of these two comics.

 

[JustSomeDong]

This is where we find out that the moon is either sentient or controlled by aliens. Just as the asteroid approaches, the moon shifts out of the way and the asteroid smashes into India, causing a tidal wave to drown pakistan and the middle east, while destroying the three gorges damn.

A loud chuckling is heard from the moon, followed by Roticulon for "you're welcome, humans".

The Lizard Aliens and Grays inhabiting the Moon's hollow interior will collaborate with The Moon Nazis to destroy any incoming hazards.

 

[Benjamin Spooner Briggs]

If a US president or a Soviet premier won't full retard and tried to launch nukes for no reason the military and the cabinet would step in to remove them. The president doesn't have a big red "LAUNCH ALL THE FUCKING NUKES!!!" button on his desk. Then you have the lesser nuke powers like China that are purely second strike only hence why they only have ~500 nukes. If nukes are fake then explain nuclear reactors. People who don't believe in nukes are on the same level as flat earthers: retarded.

The Earth's not flat because space isn't real.

 

[Otterly]

Another day, another news report of the odds of that asteroid hitting the moon have gone up, despite it moving away from us and supposedly more difficult to see and all that. Last numbers I saw are putting the likelihood of the moon being hit up around what they were saying the chances were it was going to hit the Earth earlier,

What happens if it hits the moon? That could be a fun thing to watch , or knocked out of orbit and we all die?
I want one that fragments and hits Geneva, Brussels and Birmingham with surgical precision

 

[NoReturn]

What happens if it hits the moon? That could be a fun thing to watch , or knocked out of orbit and we all die?
I want one that fragments and hits Geneva, Brussels and Birmingham with surgical precision

Well, if we grant that the moon is a soul-catcher designed to keep us all trapped in the cycle of Samsara, then the souls waiting rebirth will spill out and walk the earth like when Chernabog opens up Bald Mountain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLCuL-K39eQ

If the moon is full of Nazis, they'll spill out like ants from an anthill.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpRFU3bp0Ro

Maybe it's hollow and it'll just get dented.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeLjzlFgiEE

Or maybe the moon will crack and we'll all die horribly, then later a bunch of survivors make bad decisions in space.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD4mm7O2XiY

 

[PhoBingas]

This whole anti-carbon push just throws me for a loop since, uh, everything is carbon! The planet is carbon! But yeah, I also think it's just a lazy way to feel good about doing something about climate change. Speaking of, we are still technically in an ice age and are just in a period between planet engulfing glaciers and the planet was way hotter when the dinosaurs were around.

Remember, the carbon they want to reduce is you!