US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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[SpergioLeonne]

I feel like persecuting Chinese is something an Indian ought to enjoy

 

[HOMO FOR LIFE RETURNS]

Tomorrow, unless the fed buys the treasuries and drop the rate,

We will see a 30% market decline within a month

TRUMP'S WILD RIDE

 

[Netizennameless]

I know what you mean about the bloodlust, but it was by no means unanimous.

Not unanimous, but supermajority support.

Maybe, maybe for Afghanistan in the immediate months after 9/11;

Bush won re-election and the popular vote in October 2004. 20 months into the Iraq War and more than 3 years into the Afghanistan war.

otherwise there were tons of antiwar protests all throughout the 2000s. There was debate about Iraq before we ever went into it,

you should know by now that Democrats have been astroturfing protests since the 1970's. Look at the election results.

and the government had to manufacture WMD lies in order to really sell it.

The American people did not care at the time why we invaded. That excuse was for NATO and the UN to get European nations to join the war.

Oh get fucked you stupid nigger. That only makes our country look worse, not better.

This is what I'm talking about. Optics matter now, 20 years later when everyone's come down from the bloodlust and feels guilty. It doesn't change reality. People knew in 2002 that the WMD story was bullshit. They still re-elected Bush, the people supported both wars for years afterward. Obama won two terms having not ended either war. You are reinventing history.

And by 2006 we already had confirmation that Iraq had no WMDs to speak of, and by the end of Bush's second term, support for our presence in Iraq was dwindling even among Republicans

Bullshit. Republican support for Bush eroded right alongside the economy, crashing in 2007 with the mortgage default crisis.

. The lies we were sold to by Bush's horseshit administration for invading Iraq did more damage to America than would you--probably the last retard in 2025 who thinks our presence in the middle east was somehow righteous in how prolonged it was--can conceive of.

In hindsight you are correct, but that doesn't change the reasons we actually went to war.

Shove your "patriotism" up your ass. You're not a patriot, you're a mutt nigger faggot jingoist.

This is how Democrats behave when you disagree with them. Just an emotional outburst.

I've said all I care to about this subject and you obviously disagree. That's fine but don't just make shit up to confirm your worldview.

 

[Dumbledore's Onlyfans]

They can make some good points from time to time but Libertarianism as an ideological position is prone to enabling issues that may be destructive to society as a whole.

I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

I’m kinda seething right now, tbh, regarding the Paul family.

“Oh we have to fix the debt!! We have to end the wars!!!! But not if it means winning against China!!”

Like fags, did you realize that pressing all sides could make all sides less eager to blow up money in Ukraine?

 

[BradCarter]

I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

The rational part of libertairanism can be summed up with "leave me the fuck alone". Unfortunately our country is circled by vultures from both inside and out. In a perfect world it would work great. But we don't live in a perfect world and if we don't aggressively defend our collective interest, we will slowly be robbed blind.

 

[Breadbassket]

I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

It has a certain appeal depending on the time, place and what it's being used for but its destruction of moral and legal guardrails for certain activities and actions in the names of what are claimed to be individualistic liberties can have consequences, both of the predicted and unforeseen variety.

 

[mlanguishi]

I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

All they cared about was weed. The rest was window dressing. Always hated the capital L of the P party.

ETA a lot just want no drug bans at all, heroin, crack, all good. The worst of the worst kind of people. Gross.

 

[JayseeDenton]

It's the only field I can think of where the vast majority of academics are completely and utterly incompetent.

I don't know about "vast majority" but I have found that almost every field of study has people who are educated in it, and people who understand it, and there's a lot less overlap of those two than you would expect.

Good education leads to understanding but I think a lot of education just requires people to memorize facts and terms.

On the other hand, good understand can come from just interacting with something and pondering it enough.

Actually... as I type this out it occurs to me that I have never once taken an official class on the skill I use to make ~$100k a year... It was a hobby I just went with.

 

[TerminalTryHard]

All they cared about was weed. The rest was window dressing. Always hated the capital L of the P party.

To be fair they also tend to be pretty concerned about the age of consent too.

 

[Buck Broken Chimp]

I love how Trump refuses to do anything about social security the largest non mandatory budget item on the books.

Instead he makes it worst by cutting payroll taxes and getting rid of taxes on benefits.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-04-08/republicans-fracture-over-how-much-debt-to-run-up-for-tax-cuts

 

[mlanguishi]

To be fair they also tend to be pretty concerned about the age of consent too.

Yep, towards their end they pushed that and trannies too. The entire libertarian policy was social anarchy. The economic parts didn't matter enough, that's why I always called them Liberaltarians because they're fake as shit.

 

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I found the basic ideals of libertarianism--fiscal conservatism combined with social liberalism--very interesting. It aligned with ny own ideals of not wasting public moneys and generally leaving people alone about their personal life. Once I looked into libertarian thought a little more deeply I realized it was trash though.

Libertarianism is ideal for a society of virtuous, hardworking people, but it's not clear that such a society exists, or that if it existed it would survive as such in a Libertarian system.

On the other hand, virtually any system of government would work well enough in a society of virtuous, hardworking people, so long as it didn't get in the way too much.

 

[Lammy]

One complaint about trump I have is that he isn’t pushing nuclear power enough, it can’t be understated just how much of game changer having nuclear power for your country ensures it will prosperous.

Based on what he's said in interviews, it seems Trump doesn't really care about nuclear. I think his position is he knows what is proven to work (fossil fuels) and wants to re-build a solid foundation for energy sufficiency on that.
It's a reasonable position of pure pragmatism, but nuclear energy seems to be something that won't find a way into an administration's policies until 2028. I think Vance might be ambitious enough to want to actually try for it, though.

 

[JayseeDenton]

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Guise, the USA is finish. China will eat our lunch.

https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1ju9u98/china_lashes_out_at_jd_vance_for_calling_chinese/mm0lov3/

>America is what it is because it literally get brains from everywhere
>First fucking sentence

 

[mlanguishi]

Libertarianism is ideal for a society of virtuous, hardworking people, but it's not clear that such a society exists, or that if it existed it would survive as such under Libertarianism.

On the other hand, virtually any system of government would work well enough in a society of virtuous, hardworking people, so long as it didn't get in the way too much.

It's horseshoe theory incarnate. Libertarian with no gov and stateless vs commie no gov and stateless. Idiots are all both are in the end. Libertarians were worse though when it came to it in the end, they all figured just more people on weed and drugs the better. That was their entire thing for a long time. Fuck libertarians for wrecking a lot of right thought for a long time.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

What is your opinion on these migrants being deported to the El Salvador prison despite having no criminal record?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-r...t-to-salvadoran-prison-60-minutes-transcript/

I know users here are right leaning and don't believe they should be here in the first place but from an optics perspective this isn't great for Trump and anti immigrant politics in the US if leftists are able to effectively weaponize it. Deporting them is one thing (I'm not sure on the mechanics of it but surely it can be done without sending them to El Salvador) but sending them to the prison in El Salvador on accusations of being gang members is something that can be easily exploited and is immoral.

It all depends on the "having no criminal record," part.

For migrants that have entered the country legally and have no criminal record during their time here,most people would likely say they shouldn't be compelled to leave the country or be deported. If this is just a fancy way to say, "They entered illegally but OMG, they've done nothing wrong," it's going to be more of a challenge because most normies believe they should have came here legally in the first place if they were that serious about wanting to come and stay here.

nyt crying that illegals are self deporting

I think this is the result of President Trump making good on his promise to deal with the border issues better this time around. Those here illegally have seen that promise was serious and some find it serious enough to want to leave voluntarily if it means not being detained indefinitely before being shipped back home.

Didn't really look like a shelf layout for eggs in the first place to me, so maybe they're just showing a random stock photo of some random mostly-empty store shelves with a smattering of milk and other dairy products?

Pictures like this are easy to use for masking the truth. Those shelves could be empty for any reason other than a shortage. It reminds me of the e-beggars who empty their fridge and take a picture of it completely empty when they beg for grocery money before putting their food back inside.

Let's not forget about the GROSS intellectual property theft either. A lot of the items that China uses to claim "Most Advanced Nation in the World!" status are made with stolen intellectual property, and made worse than the original due to shortcuts and shoddy workmanship.

When I took a college course that included discussion on social and ethical issues in computing, the topic of IP theft was a discussion point. Apparently, Asian nations believe in imitation being the sincerest form of flattery which is why they see no issue with copying what they think is popular or successful. As such, they view copyrights as an invented, artificial restraint on that idea and they ignore them believing that the companies should be glad their country finds their products good enough to be worthy of copying/counterfeiting.

Of course it's a double edged sword when those knockoffs are made in factories where quantity is stressed over quality and the end product sucks far worse than the original.

it's so over bros.

Just distract the penguins with donuts .

Thats identity theft, which is not what I am talking about. I’m talking about the people who are here illegally that are motivated to file taxes to bolster their applications before the government. An alien who steals an SS card cannot submit the tax filing as evidence in their case because the filing would not be under their name.

As a bit of a side tangent, foreign nationals who want to be in the US legally and pay their taxes can apply for what I believe is called in ITIN number which is akin to a US citizen's SSN and allows the foreign person to file and pay their taxes properly. Also, for those seeking US citizenship, they have to show proof that they have paid all of their taxes for what I believe is up to a four year look-back period; having an ITIN makes this part of the process easier to do.

 

[Buck Broken Chimp]

Yep, towards their end they pushed that and trannies too. The entire libertarian policy was social anarchy. The economic parts didn't matter enough, that's why I always called them Liberaltarians because they're fake as shit.

Libertarianism is fucking dead. The highest vote they ever got was in 2016 and every election since they lose votes. It doesn't motivate people anymore. The fact is centralization is the way of the future. Much how feudalism gave way Yeoman Agrarianism which gave way to industrial capitalism. In the modern day the sacred cows of capitalism just aren't true anymore. The economy is more complicated both people and companies want no need more givens to be able to have faith in the system.

 

[Barleys]

Pro tariff probably just means American industry first. Pro worker for like health care, pension, nah.

Still, it may not be perfect, but it's better than NOTHING.

This admin got the literal biggest union in the country to endorse reps for the first time, they're very pro-worker.

 

[thog]

All they cared about was weed. The rest was window dressing. Always hated the capital L of the P party.

I liked what the Mises Caucus was offering, a much more socially conservative populist version of libertarianism in the mold of late-stage Rothbard and Hoppe, but then Dave Smith had to drop out because his son was having severe heart issues, and some retarded ex-academic named Michael Rectenwald took his place and that's how the liberal trans kids pedofaggot Chase Oliver ended up winning the nomination. I'm hoping the MC wins at the next convention, but I doubt it at this point. The hardcore big Ls are desperate to go back to circlejerking.

At least we got Trump to free Ross.