The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[zzzten]

you know how the world fixed the great depression? World War 2. You know the only way we are going to get out of this situation? killing as many people as possible. They tried it with the vaccine, but that was a flop. Soon they'll hide in their little bunkers and launch the nukes.

 

[Dafuqisdis?]

This genius realizes that a deflationary spiral is exactly what happened to Japan during the "Lost Decade" which they never recovered from, right? A deflationary spiral is what perpetuated the Great Depression for so long. Deflation is a very, very dangerous tool. If it's mismanaged just a little, it can destroy your economy.

China got rich by perpetually defating it's currency. It's how they rig the trade markets against the US and other countries.

 

[Breadbassket]

It seems like everyone is playing chicken with the economy and trying to avoid getting hit first. Talking about this as it happens, and thinking you know the outcome of what will happen is a little bit retarded, as I don't think anyone know what will happen, and all sides are just hoping they know what will happen. It could be good, it could be bad.

Either way, buckle up, buckeroos, because a recession is well overdue and this one won't be pretty. I won't sperg in this thread but this recession will be what SARS 2 (COVID) was compared to SARS 1.

Come what may I just hope no one says "nothing ever happens" this time.

 

[TerribleUser09]

Guys, the sole table and math standing behind the tariffs is a mockery of deep analysis. For example, New Zealand exporting to US mostly meat and wine gets 10% despite importing US machinery. Having a deficit in international trade with another country isn't always bad. The US aircraft and space industry is, actually, benefiting from the current deal with New Zealand. And we all love Kiwi's don't we?

On the other hand, Saudi Arabia import so much stuff from US that according to the exposed formula should have negative tariffs.

 

[Battlefield42]

I trust the Trump's plan. USA will mog everyone.

 

[FootballBuff]

Do you think that a robot dog dealing with dynamic environments is the same thing as a drill on a hydraulic arm? There's a reason one has been around for decades now, and the other is emerging technology. You don't need androids to automate a large part of industrial production.

There are a plethora of jobs in industrial and other settings that robots will quite frankly never be able to do, because EVERY environment is a dynamic environment including the cages and assebly lines they put those robot arms in, it simply varies in degrees. Tarrifs arent going to cause a sudden increase in industrial automation. And at any rate even if it did somehow, someone needs to take care of the robots when they break down. Ive never found the "manufacturing jobs won't come back because of automation" argument convincing. For these very reasons. Thats all Im trying to highlight. That and the fact Boston Dynamics is a scam.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Personally I see this policy as a canary in the coal mine of a much larger political shift as gen z and millenials become the political majority.

Only going to get worse as the Alphas get older. The level of generational hatred towards the Boomers in particular is astounding. I'm old enough to remember the Silent Generation. They were good folks and nobody really had anything bad to say about them. Looked back on fondly and with respect.

Not so the boomers. It's all tied up in the combination of "the line must always go up" policies, burdensome welfare policies and cultural practices largely implemented and pushed by boomers. Who just won't fucking die thanks to modern medicine. Its lead to massive intergenerational resentment that I think is very unusual in the historical sense.

Part of the reason so many people around here are gleeful at the stock market crash is that they are millenials and zoomers with no "buy in" and a deep abiding resentment of the boomers who they blame for the current situation.

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

What Trump should do is offer grants to Americans who want to make their own washing machine companies so they can sell their products at a competitive price point to compete with mega-wash. However, many Republicans think that the fed shouldn't be assisting anyone so mega-wash faces zero domestic competition. The Democrats use to be the party who would push for an agency to give those grants, but the modern Democratic party has decided that john from Iowa shouldn't get any money instead it should go to some tranny who doesn't even know how to wash anything.


In the end, we are completely and utterly fucked as consumers.

Nah, you’re 100% right and it’s infuriating!

The government won’t lift a finger to help someone build a new washing machine plant. or start a microchip foundry in Ohio, but the second Delta or Boeing starts crying about “losses” suddenly there’s a trillion dollar bailout with a bow on it?!

China’s out here shotgun-blasting subsidies into every goddamn industry; from solar, to semiconductors, to rare earth minerals; and meanwhile in the US if you’re not a defense contractor or wall street leech you’re told “bootstraps bro”

It’s not capitalism it’s selective socialism for entrenched dinosaurs.

New innovators get jack shit unless they check every identity box, or suck off ESG panels from Black Rock by offering bathroom estrogen patches for trannies or some shit. But got forbid we give Joe in Iowa a grant to build something that might actually create jobs and compete with China’s 15th semiconductor plant in Szechuan.

It’s a complete fucking joke system built to protect dying monopolies and punish anyone who wants to build something real here; by making costs uncompetitive and astronomical.

 

[Greasy Goblin]

Hopefully but I don't trust Elon and the other people surrounding Trump. They are nothing more than industrialists who seek to make themselves richer without giving back (seriously when has elon funded a library or a school or even a scholarship).

If Trump had old school dems (talking economy here) helping him out we would be on a shinning path, but notice how elon doesn't like tarrifs anymore? He doesn't give a fuck about anything but his bottom line. Furthermore, any agency which could help has been rendered useless by DOGE. Trump and Elon have use a sledge hammer where they should have use a scalpel. The government isn't a company, your goal should never be short term profit, it should be long term health.

Then I suppose we're just on the same page haha. That too is my largest worry about Trump, is some of the publicity stunts as well as the people around him, especially Elon. I already didn't trust him, but with his whole Christmas thing about "Americans just don't do the work so we need infinity Indians" (which got conveniently mostly pinned on vivek) was just disgusting and obliterated most of the shreds of goodwill I had for him. It does give me hope that Trump took these tariff actions despite people like Elon obviously not wanting them. I've been shocked at how much more I like Trump's actions this time around.

 

[Haramburger]

Make sure to buy Tim Pool's skateboards.

LONGBOARDER241, Where we gettin' our bearings from???

 

[zzzten]

Only going to get worse as the Alphas get older. The level of generational hatred towards the Boomers in particular is astounding. I'm old enough to remember the Silent Generation. They were good folks and nobody really had anything bad to say about them. Looked back on fondly and with respect.

Not so the boomers. It's all tied up in the combination of "the line must always go up" policies, burdensome welfare policies and cultural practices largely implemented and pushed by boomers. Who just won't fucking die thanks to modern medicine. Its lead to massive intergenerational resentment that I think is very unusual in the historical sense.

Part of the reason so many people around here are gleeful at the stock market crash is that they are millenials and zoomers with no "buy in" and a deep abiding resentment of the boomers who they blame for the current situation.

The "generational hatred" as you call it, is a manufactured phenomena. The same way that hispanic isn't an ethnicity, but a political designation. Generational labels main purpose is to identify voting blocks

 

[Fae Supremacist]

I fail to capture in words how catastrophically retarded this situation is, yet despite what everyone has seen for a decade now, the orange retard still maintains an unpaid army of "Trump interpreters", translating his grade schooler babble into 5D chess schizo plan trusting narratives like he's the Oracle at Delphi.

This would be a very good opportunity to make a great profit if you're a big dick baller and not too shook to make moves, but I'd rather hold euros and pray.

 

[Popper Whiting]

Redditors really need to stop treating entire nations like they're a character in a book. What the Reaganite elite saw as beneficial to themselves(and it was to a degree) has clearly not benefitted the rest of the country. The squeeze as much cash as you can from any given situation and think about the consequences later thing isn't civilizationally sustainable.

You guys voted those politicians in. They represent you. You don't get to skirt the line of taking responsibility or shirking it at your convenience it is either one or the other. Cry and call reddittor all you want.

You faggots are the biggest sooks online, you always claim everything is somebody else's fault and you're hard done by. You're the fattest cunts on the planet crying about what's on your plate. You're not the victims you think you are.

 

[Nitro!]

To everyone saying but what about the risks aghhh the line might go down 3% too much aagghghhh noooooo I might not be able to acquire entertainment noooooooooooooooo

Fuck it, crash the whole damn world. What we're doing isn't working.

 

[Mr. Manchester]

For Americans, plastic luxuries and electronics will get more expensive

So retards addicted to buying shit on Amazon will be upset and literally nothing will change for me? I hope you're right.

 

[DogZero]

The "generational hatred" as you call it, is a manufactured phenomena. The same way that hispanic isn't an ethnicity, but a political designation. Generational labels main purpose is to identify voting blocks

As demographic groups defined by social scientists you are totally right.

However there is definitely differing culture, expectations and perspectives between generations with fuzzy borders differing from the official market group definitions. The fact we are talking about boomers right now, half of which technically aren't boomers by the demographic definition is proof of this. Americans who grew up during the most prosperous generation in human history have a different perspective on everything from marriage to how they treat service workers. Its largely psychic and hard to define, but the difference is distinct enough to create an extremely compelling and popular egregore in the form of the whole "ok boomer", boomer hate and everyone over 40 being a boomer meme.

I am between generations, so I know people my age who are more one generation and some more the other, so like I said it is very gray, but beyond cultural there is also an economic distinction. Like I said in my first post, Boomers have equity, not-boomers don't. People who are young/fit enough to work want the opportunity to get equity and boomers want to do anything to preserve the scarcity, and therefore value of said equity. Boomers want high housing prices/value, not boomers want to be able to get their first house. Boomers want social security, not boomers don't want to pay into a program they will never get. Is it really so surprising boomers have these expectations of compounding growth when many of them lived in a time when the US was half the worlds GDP?

My worry isn't the policies themselves, most of which are necessary. Its that respect for elders existed before this period for a reason, same with the fourth commandment. I hope that isn't forgotten after what will essentially be a boomer cultural/economic purge. It is not a sustainable basis for a community, just as much as the spoiled perspective of the boomers wasn't. This saying nothing about the class of boomers who managed to survive the moral ravages of prosperity and looked out for the future of their kids, a rare species of boomer I have personal experience with.

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

German markets seem to be Ok at the moment but it's only ten minutes until the London stock exchange opens.

 

[CyrusHowler]

This thread is like if you took all the black pill losers from the US Politics Thread 2 and put them in one place.

Lame and gay.

 

[TerribleUser09]

Just received a glimpse of the future send by my good fellow time-traveller:

https://www.facebook.com/TheOther98/videos/9854406537912938/?mibextid=rS40aB7S9Ucbxw6v

 

[Popper Whiting]

Only going to get worse as the Alphas get older. The level of generational hatred towards the Boomers in particular is astounding. I'm old enough to remember the Silent Generation. They were good folks and nobody really had anything bad to say about them. Looked back on fondly and with respect.

Not so the boomers. It's all tied up in the combination of "the line must always go up" policies, burdensome welfare policies and cultural practices largely implemented and pushed by boomers. Who just won't fucking die thanks to modern medicine. Its lead to massive intergenerational resentment that I think is very unusual in the historical sense.

Part of the reason so many people around here are gleeful at the stock market crash is that they are millenials and zoomers with no "buy in" and a deep abiding resentment of the boomers who they blame for the current situation.

The greatest generation came out of the Depression and World War 2 determined to make things better, and created every advantage for the boomers. The boomers, being the biggest voting demographic for sixty years, have undone every single one to benefit themselves. That resentment is earned.

What's happening at the moment, with both sides of Boomer politics is they realize it is getting close to last drinks at the bar being called for them so they're determined to drink every drop, trash the place and leave the generations coming behind to clean up the mess. Hopefully a demographic like that won't dominate political culture and financial policy for that long ever again. Because it has created an entire politcal system designed to pander to Boomers.