The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Greasy Goblin]

Not sperging. Just sick of tip toeing around sensibilities regarding this subject. You either take responsibility or you don't, that goes for both good and bad. I understand fully you can't put shit back in the donkey, what is done has been done. But saying "It's the elites" or "It's the cis white males" or any other group is just offloading responsibility.

You guys in the US have all the tools legally and physically to enforce any change and accountability you want, you even have the numbers, but until enough of you decide to own the issue it gets tiring to constantly hear how it is always someone else's fault you're in the situation you're in. Both parties and big business need you (as in collectively), you guys do not necessarily need them, you can always organize and cut another deal, there will always be more politicians and there will always be more businesses.

...I still don't really see how that specifically relates the sentiment that it's foolish to assume leaders/nations can't make mistakes even when they hold the power, but I'll take your word that it's in there somewhere

 

[Maldavius Figtree]

How is it that the same people that go on and on about how all this amazing extravagance and luxury we're living in is only possible by muh exploitation of the third world, and we are all piece of shit consumers destroying the environment with plastic knickknacks, we all deserve to have less, and the downfall of our empire can't come soon enough — how in the world are they suddenly SO FUCKING OPPOSED to the idea of putting a halt on the mass import of chink shit? Acting like it's the worst thing ever, as if the ideas of "human society" and "importing trash from china" are one and the same.

 

[Battlefield2142EU]

Why are they like this? What in the fuck goes through your mind to think about video games when tariffs are mentioned?

This street shitting faggot made Billy Mitchell look good and has a long history of defending trannies and Chris-Chan online. I have no idea why so many people here defend the pajeet.

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

I agree with your jab, there's a lot of pro factory posting when most would rather not work there, but I would like to point out that factory workers could often could afford a whole ass 2 bedroom home, when adjusted for inflation, even just considered in ounces of gold earned at the time, Henry Ford's line workers were making 150k in modern money

I don't think that will happen again unfortunately.

A service economy is one that leaves behind the people who cannot afford the certs/education to enter it, or is too uneducated to do so. The choice for many American's growing up is to enter a shit job that pays minimum wage for the rest of your life while probably living in your parents house or to rack up an obscene amount of debt to try and get the education and certs necessary to participate in the service industry. When America had factory jobs a man could afford a car, house, and the necessities to live just from said job, it employs the low skilled who do not have the opportunities that the people richer than them or even poorer than them receive with a stable job that will last them their whole life on a livable salary. I was lucky enough to grow up poor so I actually had the ability to get financial aid for my certifications and education, but middle America does not have the financial benefits of the poor or the luxury of the rich.

So promote apprenticeship programs or help education become more accessible. You're looking at it the wrong way. If the problem is that low-skilled jobs do not pay enough then the solution is not to create more demand for them, the solution is to make it so people don't have to work low-skilled jobs.

 

[Fae Supremacist]

America has lost 80% of it's manufacturing because of your shitty countries applying ridiculous tariffs to our industries, listen I get it you needed to protect your own industries

Nobody has blanket tariffs on the United States because that would be pants on head, lead chips snorting, chromosome collecting retarded. Unless you believe the numbers Trump and his pajeet friends pulled directly out of Grok AI, tariffs in pretty much every country are limited to single digit percentages, for key industries with high employment numbers or for national security reasons. Otherwise you have the United Kingdom, birthplace of the industrial revolution, having zero steel mills running for the first time in centuries.

If you want to argue against market distortion and manipulation, export dumping, currency devaluations etc. you go through the WTO, except the United States have been attacking the WTO for years now, blocking the appointment of judges for the entirety of Trump's last term. If you want to do laser focused tariffs on key industries go ahead, but tariffing every good, then demanding it's made domestically, then tariffing the machines to make them, tariffing the raw materials, tariffing the screws to build factories, it's the stuff that makes operations and procurement managers jump off windows. This is North Korean nonsense.

 

[TrainWreckWatcher]

Man I'm gonna need to build a new PC in the next year too.
Welp. Time to grab a few beers see how this shit plays out over the next year.

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

factory workers could often could afford a whole ass 2 bedroom home

This ain't the 70s anymore, sport.

 

[Greasy Goblin]

I don't think that will happen again unfortunately.

I fear the same, but I'm daring to hope.

This ain't the 70s anymore, sport.

Never said it was, thanks.

So promote apprenticeship programs or help education become more accessible. You're looking at it the wrong way. If the problem is that low-skilled jobs do not pay enough then the solution is not to create more demand for them, the solution is to make it so people don't have to work low-skilled jobs.

I'm not sure that can be the answer, because your skill level can only move so much, and your intelligence far less so. Yes, raising as many as possible out of low skill positions in preferable, but there's always going to be a lot of low skill people no matter what you do. You have to have something for them, some demand for those jobs must exist.

 

[geckogoy]

This ain't the 70s anymore, sport.

>in the past
'this isnt the past anymore sport'
Jewish high verbal IQ low general IQ strikes again

 

[Barleys]

So promote apprenticeship programs or help education become more accessible. You're looking at it the wrong way. If the problem is that low-skilled jobs do not pay enough then the solution is not to create more demand for them, the solution is to make it so people don't have to work low-skilled jobs.

This just isn't feasible if we make areas more accessible, we'll have situations like the attorney crisis, there's way more bar exam graduates and new attorney's than there are jobs in the market. Service industry jobs are very limiting because 1 service based business can deal with thousands of different people at once. If everyone is in the industry then the job market is tight and a majority of people graduating can't get jobs.
Hell that's happening right now, people are picking industries that they are legitimately interested in only to find out that when they graduate their diploma means shit, they can't find work, employers aren't hiring, their job markets are full, and they only want experienced workers because it's cheaper than to train and now they have a fuck ton of debt on top of it.

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

This just isn't feasible if we make areas more accessible, we'll have situations like the attorney crisis, there's way more bar exam graduates and new attorney's than there are jobs in the market. Service industry jobs are very limiting because 1 service based business can deal with thousands of different people at once. If everyone is in the industry then the job market is tight and a majority of people graduating can't get jobs.
Hell that's happening right now, people are picking industries that they are legitimately interested in only to find out that when they graduate their diploma means shit, they can't find work, employers aren't hiring, their job markets are full, and they only want experienced workers because it's cheaper than to train and now they have a fuck ton of debt on top of it.

And crashing the economy is meant to help this?

 

[Barleys]

Nobody has blanket tariffs on the United States

When did I ever say this, other countries have strategic tariffs to protect their industries and we never did, like Canada having a tariff on lumber, it made lumber production move to Canada because it's cheaper to produce there and send here than vice versa. If the U.S had a similar tariff right from the start then lumber production would have never moved to Canada, that's my point.

 

[Popper Whiting]

...I still don't really see how that specifically relates the sentiment that it's foolish to assume leaders/nations can't make mistakes even when they hold the power, but I'll take your word that it's in there somewhere

Look corruption is a rot that is in every country, business and institution, I get it. But if it goes on this long and blatantly and the population keeps voting for successive governments engaging in it (both Democrat and Republican) then the blame does lies with the people. Even if you voted otherwise you still are a part of it. Pretending otherwise and blaming other people doesn't change this. To fix a problem there has to be ownership.

And I am right in saying a lot of US posters are fucking sooks. It is complete and utter weakness to shirk responsibility, it is weakness to type out the same tired insults, and it is a weakness to endlessly voice the same complaints. There is a lot in the USA that is flat out fucking broken. But if I didn't think it was worth fixing I wouldn't bother typing this out.

Right now, the US is forfeiting ground to its competitors. That isn't conjecture; that's reality. Whilst Trump is a fucking retard who has accelerated the problems you have, he isn't the cause of the problems, it goes way back. Unless you guys start organizing and putting in place what is good for you then things are going to continue to deteriorate. No person from either established party is currently going to help, that includes Trump. The next meme president isn't going to snap his fingers and make the problems go away. Magical thinking and denial aren't going to work. Voting for an elite wearing either a blue tie or a red tie isn't going to change a thing. Either organize and seize one of the parties from the grass roots, or form your own, there are more of you than their are the "elite".

 

[Inquisitor_BadAss]

Less than an hour after the FTSE100 opened let's check back in on the the Germans

Red lines for everyone!

 

[Barleys]

And crashing the economy is meant to help this?

If Manufacturing is brought back in America it would alleviate the amount of people working and trying to get into the service industry, a lot of people are going into said industry because it is currently the only way not to be financially fucked for your entire life, if these people had options of saying not getting into a bunch of debt to get a diploma when they could work at a factory and make a wage enough to get a house, car, and to live on then a bunch of people would choose not to go into formal education.
Hell look no further to again the attorney crisis, this crisis is very VERY recent, as in fucking zoomers recent.

 

[majob]

Anyone who thinks manufacturing will return and armies of young men will march into factories instead of jerking off to cartoons in their basements is beyond retarded. If manufacturing ever returns, it will be almost fully automated. These jobs are not coming back in any significant numbers. Certainly not unskilled labor.

I've worked in manufacturing and the plants are filled with men who spend their free time playing video games and jerkimg off to porn after work. The idea that most men today are lazy is a fucking lie spread for far too long. A man wants to work because a man wants to feel like he's fulfilling a purpose and it doesn't really matter what that work is as long as he's treated and paid fairly for it

 

[Hannibal Lecter]

If Manufacturing is brought back in America it would alleviate the amount of people working and trying to get into the service industry, a lot of people are going into said industry because it is currently the only way not to be financially fucked for your entire life, if these people had options of saying not getting into a bunch of debt to get a diploma when they could work at a factory and make a wage enough to get a house, car, and to live on then a bunch of people would choose not to go into formal education.
Hell look no further to again the attorney crisis, this crisis is very VERY recent, as in fucking zoomers recent.

Yes, but that is no longer an option. America was a powerhouse of manufacturing because others weren't. Now, they are.

 

[Cynical-Carnivore-88]

It used to be that the low end jobs we have today were for teenagers or people trying to pay through college, but too often than not you see someone in their 30s or 40s working at walmart or mcdonalds and it breaks my heart, im sure these people would gladly go work in a factory to gain a livable wage.

Man, I agree with you completely, what you said is real as hell and honestly heartbreaking

A lot of people don’t get how the service economy leaves so many behind, especially folks who can’t afford getting degrees and getting in debt just so they can get jobs where they make $25/hr making sales calls, drafting presentations, or reading dashboards at an office job for a multinational.

And yeah you’re right, factory jobs used to be the great equalizer; you didn’t need a degree, just show up, work hard, you could support a family, own a house, maybe retire without drowning in debt. I totally get why people would want that back.

But here’s the shitty reality, even if we bring some of that manufacturing back, the jobs won’t look like they used to. Factories today run on automation, sensors, robotics, and predictive software; so the second a company can afford to replace a person with a machine, they will with no hesitation. It’s not personal, it’s just the way the system optimizes itself.

You might get a short-term labor boom from reshoring, but without a national policy to intentionally preserve human labor roles or slow automation (which no one is seriously proposing), it’s a temporary fix on a long-term decline.

Unless we start deliberately designing policy to preserve human labor in production, most of those jobs get automated out sooner than later.

This whole economic system has evolved into something that doesn’t care about people anymore, only throughput and efficiency, that’s the real tragedy.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

How is it that the same people that go on and on about how all this amazing extravagance and luxury we're living in is only possible by muh exploitation of the third world, and we are all piece of shit consumers destroying the environment with plastic knickknacks, we all deserve to have less, and the downfall of our empire can't come soon enough — how in the world are they suddenly SO FUCKING OPPOSED to the idea of putting a halt on the mass import of chink shit? Acting like it's the worst thing ever, as if the ideas of "human society" and "importing trash from china" are one and the same.

Because the increased cost should happen to THEM. By complaining they assume that they receive immunity to the consequences.

Nobody has blanket tariffs on the United States because that would be pants on head, lead chips snorting, chromosome collecting retarded. Unless you believe the numbers Trump and his pajeet friends pulled directly out of Grok AI, tariffs in pretty much every country are limited to single digit percentages, for key industries with high employment numbers or for national security reasons. Otherwise you have the United Kingdom, birthplace of the industrial revolution, having zero steel mills running for the first time in centuries.

Lol lmao. Tarriffs can easily reach double digits in welfare countries. And even if they don't use tarriffs directly, they'll find some other way to tax the everloving shit out of western products, usually environmental based.

 

[Manimal House]

I understand if non-US folk are a little upset, but consider this:

For many years now, Americans have been feeling like absolutely no one gives a crap about us. Not Europeans, not Asians, not Africans, not Latinos, not Canadians, not Mexicans....hell, not even our own countrymen care about one another. Look at how many homeless people have been living on our streets for years and the only thing happening with it is a destructive increase in their numbers. We're so used to it at this point that we've accepted that the true price of American Freedom is knowing that we are all on our own and if we're lucky, we'll have freinds and family to mourn our deaths if we get shot in broad daylight. Sure, other countries care what we DO on the global stage, but in terms of our well-being, the only thing that concerns anyone else is whether or not we have money to spend. The ones that LIKE the US have been coming over here to work or live with the advantage of having a home country to go back to if things fall apart.

And that's fine, we don't expect anyone else to care about us, but our system is completely BROKEN. It was only a short time ago when Texas kicked out federal agents and took over the border control problem and Biden had the nerve to try and block oil trade on the state in retaliation. Then Trump runs for office after coming back miraculously on the promise that he will focus on the betterment of the US and the US alone, and starts acting on it the day he gets sworn in. That's why so many are either all for it or apathetic about how it affects other nations. Kinda hard to care about the world potentially crumbling when so many of us are too broke or dysfunctional to even participate in it. A shake-up is long overdue.

So pardon us for not giving a fuck. We're remodeling and we're fresh out of fucks to give. We'll let you know when we re-stock.