The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

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Yes, and those "zones" where you're punished for existence is not the first world importer service economies, let alone the United States, it's the resource extraction zones.
Ever seen a documentary where Indonesians go head first into a sulfur mine or the engine of a scuttled ship and get cancer at 30, and wonder why they bother? It's still better pay than being a subsistence farmer, and they can send a few dollars to their home village to repair their corrugated steel roof in their family home.
Idolizing subsistence farming is peak "based" vibes retardation, have some perspective.
It's amazing how one can suggest you shouldn't vilify manual laborers, and people immediatly stoop to comparing western farmers to Indonesian cargo cultists living off selling steel from sunken japanese destroyers.

There's a middle point between being a pajeet serf with a 20 square meter potato crop and living in a service economy. What's wrong with wanting back to the pre ww2 paradigm?
 
most of us are living paycheck to paycheck and hardly consume anything after we've paid our bills.
Boo hoo nigga, call me when you have to pay 15-20% interest rate for a mortgage, which is what the rest of the world has to pay cause we don't own a printing press and we can't borrow money ad infinitum.
 
What incentive is there to put a fat American with a bullshit bachelor's degree on some factory line when the Chinaman does it basically for free and of better quality in a highly efficient system supported by advanced robotics? That fat American could be put to any work which is more profitable in the 1st world.
We'd have factories that csnt be shut down at will by foreign governments, positions for Americans that helps diversify the job market rather than making everyone who can't code or manipulate a fake usurious economy into burgerflippers, better quality goods, industries that crop up around factories including resource extraction which further helps us maintain economic independence from other countries .... really the only reason not to have a dumbass fat stupid retard burger guzzling fried coke chomping America doing these jobs is because the elite classes find it distasteful to have it ruin their view of impoverished niggers stabbing people snd it might give their peons a taste of actual goods and not plastic or press board tokens meant to emulate actual goods. Who knows maybe industries like upholstery and cobbling will come back if you have more expensive but nicer and long lasting goods that you have to take care of vs the disposable equivalent of them
 
Boo hoo nigga, call me when you have to pay 15-20% interest rate for a mortgage, which is what the rest of the world has to pay cause we don't own a printing press and we can't borrow money ad infinitum.
Nigger if you have a mortgage then you're already better off than most Americans whom are renting, if they're even doing that
 
Yes, let’s accept tariffs from everyone else forever and continue to bankroll their lifestyle. Lets see how long shit like 9 months maternity leave for their men lasts now that we’re no longer their sugar daddy.
European here. Honestly, the Irish and EU structure needs a kick in the balls like this. Maybe now they’ll stop taxpayer funded stinkditch installations and infinity Bomalians.
 
This isn't the first time a president has done something seemingly retarded to try and make change, sometimes they succeed, sometimes they don't.
Blindly issuing huge tariffs without policy to foster the return of manufacturing is pretty far up the retardation scale. The current outlook for manufacturing coming back to the US is not good and it simply appears that Trump's tariffs will bring no benefits to the working class.
We'd have factories that csnt be shut down at will by foreign governments, positions for Americans that helps diversify the job market rather than making everyone who can't code or manipulate a fake usurious economy into burgerflippers, better quality goods, industries that crop up around factories including resource extraction which further helps us maintain economic independence from other countries ...
That's under the assumption that manufacturing will come back in full glory which is increasingly unlikely. The current outlook is that the middle class which is capable of coding and financially literate will have their quality of life reduced significantly at no benefit to anyone.
 
people seem to think the trade between china and usa is like half of the total trade of each country, it's not, it's like 15%, considering china has 17.5 % of global population and America represents 25% of the global economy, it's not even that much.
 
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Because foreigners seem to have it in their head that the average American is living like a fat cat off a service sector job, even the poor, when the reality is that most of us are living paycheck to paycheck and hardly consume anything after we've paid our bills. What's actually happening is that more wealthy Americans are consuming, most often beyond their means, and it gives you people this deluded perception that all of us are living like that when we aren't. I won't claim poverty unlike most here. I make decent money and own my own home but many of my peers do not. We're fighting for a damn good reason none of you will ever see that because you DON'T LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES!
Your level of poverty is irrational. The rest of the world, and even Americans up to WW2 did and do the same.

For a fistful of dollars.
European here. Honestly, the Irish and EU structure needs a kick in the balls like this. Maybe now they’ll stop taxpayer funded stinkditch installations and infinity Bomalians.
They won't. They are US puppets. They follow the mandate of the Deep State. Trump needa to fire them and install euroscekptic nationalist, but oops, those are pro-east so nope.
 
but when a man only has 4 years to try and make change he needs to make sometimes stupidly risky plays
Sounds like someone needs a 10 to 20 year Economic master plan….a Belt and Road Initiative if you will…

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Maybe Trump does need that third term after all
 
The irony is that, with no sanctions needed, the Trump admin has effectively kneecapped all its adversaries such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela while helping Europe with its energy crisis.
That it did so by also kneecapping itself as a top 3 oil producer is an irony future historians will no doubt comment on.

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I don't understand why anyone would support trade with third worlders ethically or in support of America industry and jobs. After world war two America shackled itself even devaluing it's own currency to help rebuild other nations and that system has been in place for 80 years. No matter how you look at it the United States cannot afford to continue this soft power empire policy. With no true great enemy like the ussr our "allies" have already resented us for decades. From a states craft view the United States is flailing in order to pull off shackles that have been in place for 80 years. We have 0 true ideological allies are trillions in debt. And causing market fear can also assist by cutting interest rates conveniently when America needs to refinance debts soon.

America is already alone and no one is coming to help we should be completely decoupling from all other countries as they fall into a new paradigm. The United States for most of its short history has been isolationist and gained most of its wealth through that cancelling trade with China should be the first part. If you look at the movements to gold and the economic talks of the administration we could also be moving to completely reform our currency.

Tl; dr there is no such thing as a stand alone issue in politics. Multiple economic ideological and historical factors are at play causing these pushes in policy. Yes it will suck but that is a reality already put in place.
 
Boo hoo nigga, call me when you have to pay 15-20% interest rate for a mortgage, which is what the rest of the world has to pay cause we don't own a printing press and we can't borrow money ad infinitum.
And we're making sure we and future generations of America don't have it worse so they dont end up like you as theyre bound to under our past trajectory. And you can be poorer than us and your government can still be a leech at the same time. You're conflating "have it better than" with "our gov paid its fair share to you" when it hasn't. We subsidized the entire world or rather the left wing elites retarded global ventures at a loss. The relative comfort of both parties is actually mostly irrelevant to whether one has scammed the other.
That's under the assumption that manufacturing will come back in full glory which is increasingly unlikely. The current outlook is that the middle class which is capable of coding and financially literate will have their quality of life reduced significantly at no benefit to anyone.
The thing is the risk is mostly just that a retarded liberal gets in and undoes trumps work, other than that the countries hit are going to suffer and along with the tariffs will make manufacturing there increasing unviable and with trump even now looking at ways to more directly incentivize manufacturing and industries like coal od say we are on the right track, and the risks are being shunted largely on the classes that fucked the country in the first place

So as they said to us with a shit eating grin, it's a risk I'm willing to take, also might want to learn to flip burgers gpt and deepseek might beat you to coding
 
Sounds like someone needs a 10 to 20 year Economic master plan….a Belt and Road Initiative if you will…

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Maybe Trump does need that third term after all
I think amount of time a term is needs to be increased because of grandstanding in congress. Presidents haven't been able to accomplish much for decades now because the other side figured out if they just grandstand, they can hold out anything from happening until the next election cycle.
 
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