The Economic Collapse of 2025 - Are you tired of winning yet?

[Oilspill Battery]

long-term

The 2 term limit, two party system, extreme partisanship, polarization and more or less mandatory re-organization of the government every 4 years more or less ensures that the US will never able to engage in any long term projects ever again because every single administration is concerned with first and foremost getting relected, and second undoing everything their predecessor did.

The US system is straight up not built to encourage long term projects, because short of subverting the system and trying to become a shadow president ala obama (hillary was supposed to be a third term and biden a fourth), the maximum possible dopamine reward is getting elected twice and that's more or less the end of it, so you have no motivation to start something your opposite party sucessor will finish.

US only made it this far because of goodwill and extremely favourable conditions that always gave the country an implicit external unified goal like fighting the bri'sh, manifesting destiny, WW2 and the cold war.

The instant there no longer was an external factor to unite the country the US gave birth to the boomers and have been circling the toilet bowl ever since.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

Another positive

Burgers will soon learn the word autarky

Always cool to expand your vocabulary

 

[Jew-ish]

Public investments for what? Subsidies for what exactly? If it's cheaper to make it somewhere else then they will.

The reason why people don't like subsidies or government investment is because it doesn't solve the issue of "it's cheaper to make it somewhere else and sell it back to you for a profit". If you need the government to intervene and throw money at it so it doesn't look like you are operating on a loss then your economy doesn't really ever grow either (you are here).

But then you run into the problem that every third world country has, endless subsidies, overspending and an economy that doesn't really grow. Sure, it looks good for the papers and the statistics when you talk about them but then you have a bunch of government-subsidized industries that operate on a loss forever, which is the main problem they are trying to solve.

I dont think we subscribe to the same macro economic theories, but I think I get where you're coming from.

I think buissinesses being subsidsed into profitability is usually a bad thing, but public works projects have a historically good return on investment, at something like $1.50 for every $1, spent.

Currently, I don't see how this is helping. Doesn't mean it won't, or it can't, but it's not apparent. It appears to be doing the opposite from my place on the low rung of the totem pole.

 

[Fae Supremacist]

Public investments for what? Subsidies for what exactly? If it's cheaper to make it somewhere else then they will.

That's the problem, the orange retard hasn't even said what those "manufacturing jobs" are supposed to be. Plastic tupperware? Steel? Baby Yoda funko pops? You're supposed to decide what industry is of strategic importance and only target that, have very specific tariffs on foreign competitors and subsidize local production to get it started, you can't just tariff everything including raw materials for processing and pray.

 

[Salt_Merchant]

BASED. TARRIFF ALL NIGGERS.

I'd like to subscribe to your economic newsletter

 

[Übertroon]

didn't you have massive amounts of immigration? got involved in ww1? Forced japan to open up their country? took over the Philippines and Cuba?

Getting involved in ww1 was the result of anglophiles in the government and at Wall Street wanting a desired outcome. The life of your average American hardly improved.
Forcing Japan to open as well hardly improved the life of American workers and simply created a rival in the Pacific.
America poured more resources into Cuba and the Philippines than it extracted and had more to do with US politicians desiring to be caretakers of foreigners rather than seeking economic benefit for the US

 

[Male Idiot]

Cotton picking isn't that great anymore

Hear me out, the US has a currently wellfare employed millions of cotton picking machines. They just need KFC, Watamelon and Grape drank to function.

I’m putting all my money into safe haven assets today.

Cheetos. Puffs to be precise.

Cheesypoofs line goes up!

 

[Gerelatha]

We paid for Australia's University system, abandoned our industries needlessly to purchase raw material from Canada at a large markup, spent countless resources on foreign aid and foreign defense allowing alot of you to have medical luxuries the average American can only dream of, our own politicians are chiding us for putting our economy above yours and other countries, we built nations like China up and allow them to export fent and cheap unreliable sometimes dangerous shit while they buy industry snd housing here, we were funding the bbc in part even. Alot of these trade deals were crummy and taken to prop up allies who hate us anyway

“We paid for Australias University system“
You mean a handful of research grants that the US also benefits from.
Fuck me you people are retarded, it’s incredible.

 

[Charlie Delicious]

 

[ivoryink]

The US was largely isolationist until WWII and became the richest nation in the world during that period.

that was because the US lent a ton of money and resources (military and otherwise) to european countries, who got compensated by germany when it lost and who then had to hand over that money to the US, of which a good chunk was spent on the cold war and military advancements, but a lot of it also trickled down to the general american citizen

this is not the current reality, america does not have the structure to become largely independant, and the average citizen of the USA depends on chinesium and cheap exports to live a somewhat comfortable life. Most americans are in debt of some sort, and consooming cheap trashy chein and tianmu stuff is sbout as much as they can afford with the pennies they have left after the debt collectors, subscription services and the landlord economically rapes them evey month. the looming threat of either bleeding to death or letting the ambulance take you and incur generational debt because a crackhead stabbed you doesn't really help with gaining hope either

 

[Autistic Nonetheless]

They say love is the universal language but once this administration is done i think it will be replaced by Chinese.

We went from USA Number One! to 'we never asked to be number one in the first place' real fucking quick.
10 year treasury yields now have higher raters then the s&p500. IE the stocks pricing in a recession are booming .

 

[Zeus Blue Thunder]

We did and I hate that your country also imports millions of muhammedean child molesters though. Really it's more your traitor governments fault if your British or from the euro continent ig

I know this is Kiwi Farms and therefore I will be unpopular here, but:
- it's not importing, but giving them visas ( our previous goverment actually gave a ton of fake ones while being anti immigration so that's fun) when they actually get to us on their own
- immigrants commit less crimes than the native population
- immigrants contribute more to the respective countries budget than they take
- most immigrants work low paying, minimum wage jobs and a vast majority of them is employed

Plus, it's not like Musk, who actually WANTS to IMPORT millions of Indians into the US on visas.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Getting involved in ww1 was the result of anglophiles in the government and at Wall Street wanting a desired outcome. The life of your average American hardly improved.
Forcing Japan to open as well hardly improved the life of American workers and simply created a rival in the Pacific.
America poured more resources into Cuba and the Philippines than it extracted and had more to do with US politicians desiring to be caretakers of foreigners rather than seeking economic benefit for the US

the previous posts wss about America being isolationist, those are examples that you weren't
and caretakers? kek , you sure took good care of cuba.

 

[MadStan]

I’m loving the brave face Walmart is putting on; but the absolute reality is even if half the tariffs remain in effect their business model is in trouble. The puff pieces in the last week issued by them to media outlets is clearly designed to settle concerns among small investors.

The reality is something else. It may not show up in their share pricing today; but it ought to.

 

[SugarKane]

I’m putting all my money into safe haven assets today.

Cheetos. Puffs to be precise.

Funny enough i have a couples shares in Nokia.
shit as sturdy as the damn phones.
Have them since 2020 they go up ...and they barely go down.

 

[MeltyTW]

“We paid for Australias University system“
You mean a handful of research grants that the US also benefits from.
Fuck me you people are retarded, it’s incredible.

It was 600 million over 7 universities and was news worthy with an emergency meeting over it

I know this is Kiwi Farms and therefore I will be unpopular here, but:
- it's not importing, but giving them visas ( our previous goverment actually gave a ton of fake ones while being anti immigration so that's fun) when they actually get to us on their own
- immigrants commit less crimes than the native population
- immigrants contribute more to the respective countries budget than they take
- most immigrants work low paying, minimum wage jobs and a vast majority of them is employed

Plus, it's not like Musk, who actually WANTS to IMPORT millions of Indians into the US on visas.

Immigrants do not commit less crime they massively increase rapes as shown in surges in Sweden and UK and recently Glasgow I'm particular after receiving migrants with foreigners being vastly overrepresented in sexual crime and are massive housing and welfare burden in the uk

 

[Übertroon]

you were talking about being isolationist, those are examples that you weren't
and caretakers? kek , you sure took good care of cuba.

Thing is all those you mentioned happened before the gilded age

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age

Your examples basically signal the end to US neutrality and isolationism and the beginning of the progressive era

 

[Fae Supremacist]

America poured more resources into Cuba and the Philippines than it extracted and had more to do with US politicians desiring to be caretakers of foreigners rather than seeking economic benefit for the US

The Americans famously dindu nuffin in the Philippines.

 

[majob]

I’m loving the brave face Walmart is putting on; but the absolute reality is even if half the tariffs remain in effect their business model is in trouble. The puff pieces in the last week issued by them to media outlets is clearly designed to settle concerns among small investors.

The reality is something else. It may not show up in their share pricing today; but it ought to.

Fuck em. Walmart drives small stores out of business and then when they no longer can deal with the niggers and spics robbing them, they leave and create a void that's almost impossible to fill back in

 

[genericlurker777]

I would have been fine if we just tarriffed China or whatever but why did he fuck with my coffee and shit?