Why does Islam even exist?

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Male Idiot said:
Jewish female poison that takes that long to act? Was it syphilis?
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most poisons that were availablr in 7th century arabia were slow-acting

(except snake venoms, but these are really hard to get without being bitten)

arsenic was always really commonly used pretty much everywhere cuz the symptoms looked like cholera, and it was untracable until the late 19th century and relatively affordable (basically everyone used it, it was nicknamed "inheritance powder")

a slow acting poison lets u get away with poisoning someone
 
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Randy Facalding said:
At least Christianity has the continuity of Jesus being the Jew "messiach". Islam just sounds like shitty fanfiction written by a teenager.
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Because rome fell, and mediterranian land was there for claiming.
To understand how or why is basic jeopolitics
The theology aspect is a bit more complex. We have ethiopian church that influance arabian intelectuals. We have arap christians, we have jews, we have monastories etc around the area. Not to say arabs already began invading south europe and already collected many things from those coasts.
Would love to delve deep into this but sadly, i am on vacation. I do not want write a long post with my phone if i can help it.
 
I don't think Islam or Sharia law does anything. Women just go out and do stuff no matter what
 
I can at least understand Christianity justifying itself, god know Judaism also has its share of logical holes. But Islam is just literal might makes right, the religion.
 
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strawberry15 said:
Because rome fell, and mediterranian land was there for claiming.
To understand how or why is basic jeopolitics
The theology aspect is a bit more complex. We have ethiopian church that influance arabian intelectuals. We have arap christians, we have jews, we have monastories etc around the area. Not to say arabs already began invading south europe and already collected many things from those coasts.
Would love to delve deep into this but sadly, i am on vacation. I do not want write a long post with my phone if i can help it.
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Right before the rise of the first islamic empire, the Byzantine Empire and Persian Empires fought a truly devastating war that turned much of the middle east into a plundered, depopulated and burnt out husk. The Romans were bankrupted and the Persians fell into civil war. This created the vacuum needed for the expansion of Islam
 
wtfNeedSignUp said:
I can at least understand Christianity justifying itself, god know Judaism also has its share of logical holes. But Islam is just literal might makes right, the religion.
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I've always summed it up like this

Old Testamate: Hello my children, I care for you all. Stop worshipping animals, stop doing this dumb self destructive stuff. Here are some basic rules to follow: share with friends, stay calm, trust a bit, save a bit for the future but don't hoard... etc. Do this and things will work out better, just try it!

New Testamate: Okay guys... good job... same concept but just be a little bit less Jewish about it. Remember the spirit of the law and not just the letter of the law, these rules are a means to an end not a contest, not an excuse for you to be assholes. Sometimes the laws will "intersect" in a way that makes it hard to know what to do, when that happens just use your best judgement and remember my words to you. I won't be mad as long as you try.

Islam: Actually go back to the rigid legalism in the first one but also do the exact opposite of everything I told you to do in the first two, needless violence, rape, instant anger, short temperdness, narrow mindedness, taking advantage of weakness, seeing kindness as weakness, executing people, all that stuff is actually good! But still act like you're doing the righteous things and call yourselves peaceful. Also here's a bunch of extremely rigid laws and rules that are not at all open for interpretation, and even though they all conflict with each other from page to page you have to follow them all 100% exactly and if somebody doesn't they should be killed but only the most powerful people in your society get to determine that (unless you decide they should be killed) oh and also they get 500 sex slaves.

I am biased because I'm a Christian, but it has always been clear to me that one of these things does not "flow naturally" the way the others do.
 
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Dagoth AMOGUS said:
I have a simile. Muhammad started out as a raider, a bandit basically. I don’t know when he got the idea to call himself a prophet, but that wasn’t really forbidden back then, and Christianity had a very tiny presence in then Medina/Mecca. So he had a little cult grow without much competition.

Here’s the simile, Islam is like Fight Club where Muhammad is Edward Norton and Brad Pitt is Allah. Muhammad basically used an imaginary friend to create a movement that he never imagined would take off so well. He just wanted to get some respect and money. He lost control of the movement he created and decided to just ride the wave.

And if Fight Club is about pro-masculinity, then Islam is too, but only emphasizing the violent aspects and not the brotherhood and comradeship parts. It spread in the centuries after pretty damn fast because it’s hard to deny a movement where, in victory or death, you still get paradise. And in victory you get plunder and women and get to act like a caveman all while feeling superior and holy.

And that’s the long and short of how Islam spread either by the sword or the womb.
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Let's remember that the Mecca used to be a religious capital welcoming and unifying multiple religions, till the barbarian muslims invaded and destroyed it entirely.
 
A Very Big Fish said:
Either, I trust what it says, and reject the Quran because it doesn’t align with the books it says are from God, or I have to assume the Quran is wrong, and that these books aren’t from God, and therefore the Quran isn’t either, as it just said two books were from God that Muslims claim are not.
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You're right, it's one big logical fallacy.

From what I've heard idea that jesus didn't die in Quran comes from apocrypha and gnosticism. Apparently many gnostic sects shared similar ideas to that found in Quran. According to wikipedia (yes I know it isn't the best source out there) apocrypha such as Second treaties of the great seth for example.
So if Allahs message is pure and uncorrupted then why there are many versions of the same event, and which one is the correct one?

Of course there's no smart anwser because Quran is just glorified fanfic.
 
Trench Raider said:
You're right, it's one big logical fallacy.

From what I've heard idea that jesus didn't die in Quran comes from apocrypha and gnosticism. Apparently many gnostic sects shared similar ideas to that found in Quran. According to wikipedia (yes I know it isn't the best source out there) apocrypha such as Second treaties of the great seth for example.
So if Allahs message is pure and uncorrupted then why there are many versions of the same event, and which one is the correct one?

Of course there's no smart anwser because Quran is just glorified fanfic.
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It's a weird sort of. It takes ideas from Gnosticism and butchers them. For example they'll cite stuff like Jesus didn't die on the cross, God replaced him with someone else. The Gnostic reason for this was that Jesus is God, and you literally could not kill him, so someone else must have been on the cross. The problem is in Islam, Jesus isn't God in any sense, so there's no reason he couldn't just be killed. Or when Jesus brings clay birds to life, it was a later legend but it was meant to show Jesus as creating in the same manner as God the Father, which, once again, makes no sense in Islam why that would occur, except to unintentionally confuse Jesus' followers into committing shirk, the one unpardonable sin in Islam.
 
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Randy Facalding said:
At least Christianity has the continuity of Jesus being the Jew "messiach". Islam just sounds like shitty fanfiction written by a teenager.
"muh angel jabril told me to go rape and kill the cube worshipping niggas and get hella bitches (age 7), also bruvva d'jew know jesus is in islam bruvva?" Harem tranimes for gooners have a better plot.
Actual joke religion. And now that atheism got subverted the only MSM people who complain about it are shriveled-up ancient Scofield christcucks whinging about antisemitism (the muslims' only redeemable trait).
Seethe over, maybe I'd have better arguments if I paid attention in Sunday school or whatever
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It's about the same exact shit as Christianity. Both religions were heavily edited and curated and made for retards to behave themselves and to give them a community. They all come from the same area of the world and were invented by similar people.

My fanfiction is better than your fanfiction hurrrrrr durrrrr.

It's all boogeyman shit.
 
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I've come to a conclusion that Islam is what Judaism/Christianity looks like without Greek philosophy. The Hebrews were disgusting vile sand rapemurder savages. Greeks come in and uplift them. The Greeks - through Hellenistic culture - give most of the intellectual depth (in the form of metaphysics) and the moral core (in the form of virtue ethics), while the Jews supply the mythology/storytelling, direct ties to actual law, ethnic identity and sense of urgency necessary for anybody to take this shit seriously.

The Muslims get this later on as they conquer the Middle East, and they get it indirectly through being based on Christianity, but their relationship was still indirect, a cargo cult of Christianity. It's like a bunch of apes poking around the ruins of civilization, unable to fully comprehend what it is they are looking at, and they go home and try to build their own skyscrapers out of bananas and sticks.

In all, it's the Greeks that give Abrahamic faith the actual goodness in it, and the Muslims missed out on that due to being a product of desert-dwelling barbarians.
 
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What I wanna know is why did Islam persist where stuff like Tengrinism went away. The reason Islam spread soo fast and far is that the Byzantines and Persians were fighting a war and both were losing leaving a power vacuum that lead to both their downfalls to Islam.
Same thing happened a few hundred years later when the Mongols did the same thing to the middle east but nothing is left of the horse fuckers minus some Russians looking real chinky.
 
Ughubughughughughughghlug said:
I've come to a conclusion that Islam is what Judaism/Christianity looks like without Greek philosophy. The Hebrews were disgusting vile sand rapemurder savages. Greeks come in and uplift them. The Greeks - through Hellenistic culture - give most of the intellectual depth (in the form of metaphysics) and the moral core (in the form of virtue ethics), while the Jews supply the mythology/storytelling, direct ties to actual law, ethnic identity and sense of urgency necessary for anybody to take this shit seriously.

The Muslims get this later on as they conquer the Middle East, and they get it indirectly through being based on Christianity, but their relationship was still indirect, a cargo cult of Christianity. It's like a bunch of apes poking around the ruins of civilization, unable to fully comprehend what it is they are looking at, and they go home and try to build their own skyscrapers out of bananas and sticks.

In all, it's the Greeks that give Abrahamic faith the actual goodness in it, and the Muslims missed out on that due to being a product of desert-dwelling barbarians.
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I believe Oswald Spengler said it best when he mentioned Christianity split apart into 3 religions, with Paul (Greek-speaking traditions) representing Western Christianity, and Islam representing the Peter and John movements (Aramaic/Persian-speaking traditions) - Eastern Christianity, or arguably "true" Christianity against the Greco-Romans. Now there's even a conspiracy theory about Paul possibly being a Roman (Herodian) agent meant to curtail the Rebellious subversive Jewish movement of Christianity to lure the Jews and potential future converted Goyim into their side to not cause havoc in the empire. With that in mind, the push back of Islam against the Greco-Romans still had that Jewish rebellious spirit - which originated with the Jesus movements - they still had that Maccabean spirit, so to speak.

The funny part about all this is how both the German Goths and Arabian "barbarians" were Arian Christians, both located in the borderlands of the empire, which made the Greco-Romans double down on their Trinitarian position in order to combat these two threats. The difference is the German Goths eventually gave in and converted, but the Arabs didn't and were successful in their conquest. Interestingly enough, Jews had a huge presence in Arabia post Roman-Jewish wars and when the Byzantines kicked them out of Israel. The Jewish Maccabean spirit of Islam is mostly due to these Arabian Jews who helped in the rise of Islam, coincidentally targeting key trade spots with possible insider knowledge and help in these cities/spots, since we all know they dominated trade in those times (and now obviously). In hindsight, the Crusades were the natural buildup of this West vs East/Greco-Roman vs Jewish-Oriental back and forth over the Levantine/Mediterranean trade hotspot, which, funny enough, still exists to this day.
 
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Gender: Xenomorph said:
Persia was not full of inbred mohanmadins back in the day.
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Zoroastrianism actually had alot of incest in it.

During the 6th century Zoroastrianism became alot more conservative and doubled-down on its traditions like incest as a response to the rise of Christianity.
 
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