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Literally after a few minutes of research
"The exemption, which comes after the Trump administration on Wednesday imposed a minimum tariff rate of 145% on Chinese goods imported to the United States, does not include the 20% tariff on Chinese goods for the country’s role in the fentanyl trade"
So everything from China is still tariffed 20% they're just exempt from 145%.
I would also like to point out that automobile industries could not compete in the EU with just a 10% tariff, so 20% is much more impactful than you think.
 
Literally after a few minutes of research
"The exemption, which comes after the Trump administration on Wednesday imposed a minimum tariff rate of 145% on Chinese goods imported to the United States, does not include the 20% tariff on Chinese goods for the country’s role in the fentanyl trade"
So everything from China is still tariffed 20% they're just exempt from 145%.
I wonder how much these dorks are getting paid.
Would be so sad if it turned out they did it for free.
 
Your entire worldview is "it's not currently happenning which is proof that it can't happen", that same mentality has cucked the entire western world for 20 years. It's exactly what trump is trying to change.
And the problem is, the way he's trying to change stuff is most likely not going to work. The only way for it to work, is for America is going to be set on Trump-aligned Republican dictatorship for the next few decades. What are the odds on that?

So instead, he's merely doing you (and everyone else) damage, that is most likely going to be reverted when the Democrats are going to be in power in 4 years if this keeps up. Or even if they won't be, Republicans who are not liking this current trend.

We are talking about setting up a trend for the next half a century. This is not the way to do it.
 
And that is absolutely a fair take. I too would prefer to buy European products, when they are available and especially for a reasonable price. The collective problem for all of the west is that we have sold our soul for the Chinese to improve our lives,
That never happened
to the point that we are now dependant on that nation.
A dependency that often amounts to “it would be inconvenient to do something else.”
A nation run by authoritarians, communists (though in name only), who are no doubt eyeing global domination at some point.
Yes, “communism with Chinese characteristics” is actually more like fascism. Some form of pseudo autonomous industry is allowed because it would require the rulers to do actual work to manage everything, but industry must be completely deprived of any sort of property rights for its supposed owners. The state is the owner, in terms of rights.
The idea of bringing back production and manufacturing from China to the US and Europe is something we should strive towards. I merely disagree with the way Trump is doing it, because I don't see how it really going to produce results. Instead, it just makes us all poorer.
Performing value added operations is where wealth COMES from. You don’t lose wealth from repatriating industry.

Imagine the model from the bottom up. Countries create wealth WITHOUT trade, by resource gathering and the transformation of resources into goods with value. The whole reason money was invented in the first place was to represent those goods and keep track of trade.

If your country is specifically lacking something, then try to trade something you’re NOT lacking for it.

What the Chinese model does is create the impression of scarcity by putting domestic manufacturing out of business, and then capital looks and thinks “it wouldn’t be profitable to do this while I’d be outcompeted by Chinese industry.” The message that comes out is “sorry, we’d lose money” but that’s illusory if you remember where wealth actually comes from. Put up the tariff and don’t let them fuck you, because you’re subjecting your entire system to net revenue loss as the outflow goes to China

Gdp figures, markets, all the normal shit you see on the news all carefully select the framing and perspective they want you to see. If you want to see the actual effect on YOU, look at something like home price to income ratio.

In 1980 in the US, the median household income was $20k and the median home price was $40k.

In 2025, the median household income is $80k, so it increased fourfold. The median home price is $400k, a tenfold increase.

How did importing Chinese shit help us?
 
I'd much rather be right and alone than to go along with any of the wacko shit the left enforces. This is no different than what employers would say during covid "would you rather be wrong and employed or right and destitute?"
So what did you do during Covid? Did you wear the mask, and buy groceries? Or did you starve to death?

Keep in mind, this quote is about leaving people alone, in specific, the context of the original conversation was about NOT NAGGING. Suppose your wife genuinely believes she's right about the toilet seat position, whether the flour belongs in the top cupboard or the bottom cupboard, whether or not the salt shaker belongs to the right or the left of the pepper shaker, and whether or not it's your job to bring in the groceries, and REFUSED TO SHUT UP about these things, especially in public? You'd probably divorce her, right? Or conversely, she can shut the fuck up about these things, ESPECIALLY in public, and stay married. It's about picking your battles, and not alienating your potential allies by fighting battles that you can't win, especially in public. Your relatives have no more political power than you do. Let them be the one to annoy everyone with their constant public harping on subjects nobody else at the table gives a fuck about. You should be smarter than that.
The Moonies and the Scientologists also encourage you to abandon your family and just listen to them. Would you believe them if they quoted Luke to you? Because both groups would be glad to do it.
 
And the problem is, the way he's trying to change stuff is most likely not going to work. The only way for it to work, is for America is going to be set on Trump-aligned Republican dictatorship for the next few decades. What are the odds on that?
And again, your only solution is "do nothing, just lie back and let it happen!".

The 4-8 year party system isn't going anywhere, so if your entire argument is "nothing will ever change while we have a 4-8 year party system" then you're telling us to give up.

You strike me as more of a demoralized coward than an actual shill, but keep in mind this is the exact same approach shills and interrogators use to fuck with people's heads. They don't tell you it's hopeless but the lead the horse to water.
 
And again, your only solution is "do nothing, just lie back and let it happen!".

The 4-8 year party system isn't going anywhere, so if your entire argument is "nothing will ever change while we have a 4-8 year party system" then you're telling us to give up.

You strike me as more of a demoralized coward than an actual shill, but keep in mind this is the exact same approach shills and interrogators use to fuck with people's heads. They don't tell you it's hopeless but the lead the horse to water.
There are options between "burn it all down" and "do nothing".

The sooner you people realize that there are not only absolutes in this world, the easier it becomes.
 
There are options between "burn it all down" and "do nothing".

The sooner you people realize that there are not only absolutes in this world, the easier it becomes.
More pussyfooting.

"No friend, don't burn down the anal probulator 400 that has been ramming you in the ass for 20 years! You risk burning down the thing next to it, other people make money off that probulator and they will be mad at you... why not try and strike some sort of compromise?"

Furthermore we're passed the point of anybody thinking this is "burning it all down". The lack of a black monday confirmed that. people can live without the new iphone model for a few years, it will be good for them.
 
people can live without the new iphone model for a few years, it will be good for them.
You sure about that, when the next elections come around? That the majority of people actually are fine with being able to spend less on goods, and live with less? Yeah, I know what you are saying, but are you seriously naive enough to think that people are going to accept that?

Once again, the posts of the MAGA-cult have shifted from "This will make America great gain, people are going to be more wealthy and have jobs!" to "It's actually good if people are able to spend less, they will be happier if they are less wealthy".
 
There are options between "burn it all down" and "do nothing".

The sooner you people realize that there are not only absolutes in this world, the easier it becomes.
The middle space represents the type of lack of will that got us where we are.

And the real options are on a scale of confrontation with China. The extremes are “run the lawn mower over the invasive vine, and tell yourself it won’t grow back worse in a month” or “pull it out by the roots”.
 
You sure about that, when the next elections come around? That the majority of people actually are fine with being able to spend less on goods, and live with less? Yeah, I know what you are saying, but are you seriously naive enough to think that people are going to accept that?
Unironically yes. People know they're unhappy.

It was a real phenomenon where tiktok addicts who were devestated when the first ban hit used that to realize they had a problem. And tiktok is 99% lefties, even redditors were talking about how they needed to stop.

People from across the political spectrum have known for years that phones, impulse buying garbage from amazon, new cars, social isolation, and all of this doesn't make them happy. It's a dopamine hit that the entire nation is addicted to and the withdrawals will be bad but fuck it. People are better at changing than they realize, we saw how quickly people got used to lockdowns and shit.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell they will thank trump, not now not ever. But two years is more than enough time for people to pull the fuck back and go outside.
 
VC should stand for Vulture Capitalists because they circle struggling companies before they're invited to swoop in to strip the company of its assets and intellectual property to let it die in bankruptcy while they keep the good stuff for themselves to sell to another sucker or hold onto it to keep competitors from acquiring the leftovers.
That’s not VCs. VCs are the guys who give millions of your retirement fund’s dollars to their friend’s kids to run a chatbot startup.

You’re thinking of Private Equity.
 
Unironically yes. People know they're unhappy.

It was a real phenomenon where tiktok addicts who were devestated when the first ban hit used that to realize they had a problem. And tiktok is 99% lefties, even redditors were talking about how they needed to stop.

People from across the political spectrum have known for years that phones, impulse buying garbage from amazon, new cars, social isolation, and all of this doesn't make them happy. It's a dopamine hit that the entire nation is addicted to and the withdrawals will be bad but fuck it. People are better at changing than they realize, we saw how quickly people got used to lockdowns and shit.

There isn't a snowball's chance in hell they will thank trump, not now not ever. But two years is more than enough time for people to pull the fuck back and go outside.
Well, good for you if you think people are going to accept being able to spend less to become "happier". I don't think that's a reality. Because you know, people could already do that if they wanted.
 
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>"Drumpf is done for and will destroy America because he sucks zionist dick"
Is this thread /pol/ from 2016-now?
The only real complaint I have regarding the exemptions is that he's willing to refund the already collected tariffs. I know he wants to be seen as a fair trading partner, but personally I'd say keep what you've got.
 
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