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[Dante Alighieri]

I paid just over $11k for my pre-owned manual Toyota, and it's infinitely more useful than any bike could ever be. I've gone everywhere with it at over 30mpg, and it'll last me many more years.

 

[Vonel]

I took a ride on one of those e-scooters last night, and I'll admit it was a lot of fun; the ridiculous dollar per minute rental price wasn't, though. Zipping around was enjoyable, but was it practical? No. Do I have insane expectations about replacing my car for one? Absolutely not.

They're a fun and easy way to move yourself short distances and maybe a backpack full of stuff, but nothing more. If I had the money I'd buy one for short commutes/leisure, but beyond that they don't really have much practical use. Most places I need to be would require a 45 minute commute one way on an electric bike going 20mph, I can't justify sinking that much of my time into a commute. America is just too spread out.

It sucks urbanists are delusional about the practicality of what they're talking about. I like most people agree with their initial points, but once they start talking about "moving a 4x8 plywood sheet with a bike," 99% of people tune out after ousting themselves as someone who hasn't had much life experience.

I will, however, be using e-scooters to avoid DUIs in the future.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

I also bet that a used truck is worth a greater percentage of its original price than a used cargo bike.

Not to mention market volatility. Used cars/trucks/SUVs can be sold almost anywhere to almost anyone, the market doesn't go up and down too drastically (at least for private sales, fuck dealerships) and perhaps even more importantly the market is always there.

Where is the market for cargo bikes? Who are buying these niche vehicles and how many people are willing to pay the price for used (and probably completely worn out) cargo bike? Not to mention that if these Ebikes are anything like electric cars (and logically they would be) then the battery pack is wasted after five to ten years and needs a full replacement anyways.

 

[Dan of Steel]

I took a ride on one of those e-scooters last night, and I'll admit it was a lot of fun; the ridiculous dollar per minute rental price wasn't, though. Zipping around was enjoyable, but was it practical? No. Do I have insane expectations about replacing my car for one? Absolutely not.

They're a fun and easy way to move yourself short distances and maybe a backpack full of stuff, but nothing more. If I had the money I'd buy one for short commutes/leisure, but beyond that they don't really have much practical use. Most places I need to be would require a 45 minute commute one way on an electric bike going 20mph, I can't justify sinking that much of my time into a commute. America is just too spread out.

It sucks urbanists are delusional about the practicality of what they're talking about. I like most people agree with their initial points, but once they start talking about "moving a 4x8 plywood sheet with a bike," 99% of people tune out after ousting themselves as someone who hasn't had much life experience.

I will, however, be using e-scooters to avoid DUIs in the future.

If you buy the charging kits for those scooters (I can't remember if it's vendor dependent or if there's ones that it doesn't matter), my buddy figured out that if you charge them at your house it deactivates the speed limiter they have. Running them downhill at full throttle makes going 20mph way scarier than you would think it would.

 

[moocow]

I will, however, be using e-scooters to avoid DUIs in the future.

Bad news. Wily cops and DA's in a good number of places are starting to charge people with OWI ("Operating While Intoxicated") for running those things while they're blasted.

It's a bit of a bizarre legal situation now that I think about it. "Public intoxication" is a crime, so just being out in public while you're drunk (i.e. you're trying to walk home) is technically a criminal act. I've seen police bodycam videos where they feel perfectly justified arresting someone who just tries to walk home because they think they're "too drunk" to make it home safely. Obviously you can't drive a car -- that's illegal too. But really you can't operate any kind of conveyance while drunk because they can slap you with a felony for that as well.

Hiring a cab or Uber or Lyft isn't a guarantee either -- they can refuse you service if they think you're too drunk, leaving you stuck walking and back at square one again.

Funny how the urban setting is underhandedly making "prohibition" the de-facto condition again now.

 

[quaawaa]

Here we have the OP comment pointing out the obvious: saved money != income, just going by the factual definition of the terms. Now that should be a fair assessment right?

By their logic, cars are free because you exchanged one asset (cash) for another asset of equal value (the car).

 

[Yamamura]

When asked why a cargo bike is so expensive relative to a car despite not using anywhere close to as much material and needing much less engineering work, he just says that it's cheaper than a new car so price is irrelevant:

It's funny the level of whataboutism of these people is so strong that they can't even give a rational response to a question that isn't even an attack.

If I was giving the guy an honest answer I would say that there are factors other than the price of the material such as the limited production of a niche product. Engineers and CAD designers need to make a living when designing it while spread out over a low overhead.

He talks like a sleazy salesman that's unable to give a straight non shill answer.

 

[Vonel]

Not to mention that if these Ebikes are anything like electric cars (and logically they would be) then the battery pack is wasted after five to ten years and needs a full replacement anyways.

I love to bring up the ecological cost "green" things have across their lifespan. Everything from disposable batteries to LED lights are over their life more harmful to the environment than their non "eco friendly" alternatives. Sure, in the moment you are saving money/resources because they are more efficient, but the waste they produce in just a few short years is orders of magnitude higher than the supposed inefficient and wasteful things it's replacing.
Eco-Goyim have forgotten that the words reduce, reuse comes before recycle. We can't consume our way to a green future and sorry to tell you but buying a used '06 Toyota Carola will do more for the environment than buying a new electric car.

Bad news. Wily cops and DA's in a good number of places are starting to charge people with OWI ("Operating While Intoxicated") for running those things while they're blasted.

Let porky come after me, those e-scooters are 10x more fun to drive drunk than my car.

 

[Bonesjones]

I will, however, be using e-scooters to avoid DUIs in the future.

You can get a dui on bicycles and horses, nothing stops them.

. Everything from disposable batteries to LED lights are over their life more harmful to the environment than their non "eco friendly" alternatives.

Redoing my kitchen and replacing the lights, half the fixtures now have irreplaceable LED bulbs built in. Yeah I'm gonna spend 50 to 100 dollars to replace it all again in a year or two when the overcharged diodes give out.

Let porky come after me, those e-scooters are 10x more fun to drive drunk than my car.

Someone I know beefed it and had to get their arm reconstructed after slamming into a curb. Speed is fun but the stop never is.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Urbanists are terrible with money:

If you can buy it for 1/3 of the price of what it was when it was new, then that means that it depreciated by 2/3rds. I also bet that a used truck is worth a greater percentage of its original price than a used cargo bike.

When asked why a cargo bike is so expensive relative to a car despite not using anywhere close to as much material and needing much less engineering work, he just says that it's cheaper than a new car so price is irrelevant:

Can't they buy an electric rickshaw/ tuk tuk if they want to replace a car? They are actually used around the world, unlike e-cargo bikes that are more of a novelty.


This one that looks better quality is like 4500


The only reason i could see for using a cargo bike instead is that rickshaws may not be legal in some places, but they are much cheaper/ practical.

 

[Yamamura]

Can't they buy an electric rickshaw/ tuk tuk if they want to replace a car? They are actually used around the world, unlike e-cargo bikes that are more of a novelty.

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The only reason i could see for using a cargo bike instead is that rickshaws may not be legal in some places, but they are much cheaper/ practical.

Well, going by my knowledge of fuckcars I have created a chart that I feel roughly encapsulates their view points on various vehicle types,

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Well, going by my knowledge of fuckcars I have created a chart that I feel roughly encapsulates their view points on various vehicle types,
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What's the 3rd one? How is it different from a tuk tuk?

Btw the thirdy electic tuk tuks mostly use lead–acid battery that are recycled almost 100% so they are much more environmentally friendly than your average lithium-ion battery electic vehicle.

 

[indomitable snowman]

difficult time grasping this concept that saved money is not a type of income.

They also don't seem to grasp the time savings a car brings over a cargo bike.

 

[TowinKarz]

rickshaws may not be legal in some places, but they are much cheaper/ practical.

In most places in the US? Those would require a motorcycle license (and associated tags, insurance and registration fees) at minimum to use on public roadways.

And that puts you more than 50% of the way to a car, so why not just get a car?

There's a reason those kinds of vehicles have never gotten a foothold in America despite the tech being there for a good century at this point. For the buy-in costs? You could get a secondhand car with more comforts and utility. Also, those things tend to only pop up in countries without a winter that brings snow. There is zero chance they'll work in half the US for 1/4 of the year due to the cold or road conditions making them impossible to use.

Those dinky wheels will get no traction and a non-enclosed cabin is a hard no when temperatures without wind chill are already at zero or worse.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

In most places in the US? Those would require a motorcycle license (and associated tags, insurance and registration fees) at minimum to use on public roadways.

And that puts you more than 50% of the way to a car, so why not just get a car?

There's a reason those kinds of vehicles have never gotten a foothold in America despite the tech being there for a good century at this point. For the buy-in costs? You could get a secondhand car with more comforts and utility. Also, those things tend to only pop up in countries without a winter that brings snow. There is zero chance they'll work in half the US for 1/4 of the year due to the cold or road conditions making them impossible to use.

Those dinky wheels will get no traction and a non-enclosed cabin is a hard no when temperatures without wind chill are already at zero or worse.

I was comparing them to a cargo bike not to a car. Of course a car is more comfortable than a rickshaw.

 

[Lovely Kin]

Can't they buy an electric rickshaw/ tuk tuk if they want to replace a car? They are actually used around the world, unlike e-cargo bikes that are more of a novelty.

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The only reason i could see for using a cargo bike instead is that rickshaws may not be legal in some places, but they are much cheaper/ practical.

Those won't ever work where I live. Our winters get frigid and blizzards would take them out.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Those won't ever work where I live. Our winters get frigid and blizzards would take them out.

Yeah they are mostly used in subtropical regions , i brought them up to compare them by price to the cargo bikes, that are much more expensive and don't offer more comfort .




7000 dolars for that is insane.

 

[Yamamura]

What's the 3rd one? How is it different from a tuk tuk?

It was that 4 wheeled Amazon delivery "bike" they complained was blocking up the bike lane.

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Urbanists are terrible with money:

Knowing the r/FuckCars Community any money saved on cars is money to fuel their booze habits. I imagine many of them walk around drunker than Lahey every day.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Bad news. Wily cops and DA's in a good number of places are starting to charge people with OWI ("Operating While Intoxicated") for running those things while they're blasted.

It's a bit of a bizarre legal situation now that I think about it. "Public intoxication" is a crime, so just being out in public while you're drunk (i.e. you're trying to walk home) is technically a criminal act. I've seen police bodycam videos where they feel perfectly justified arresting someone who just tries to walk home because they think they're "too drunk" to make it home safely. Obviously you can't drive a car -- that's illegal too. But really you can't operate any kind of conveyance while drunk because they can slap you with a felony for that as well.

Hiring a cab or Uber or Lyft isn't a guarantee either -- they can refuse you service if they think you're too drunk, leaving you stuck walking and back at square one again.

Funny how the urban setting is underhandedly making "prohibition" the de-facto condition again now.

Public intoxication has basically been used as society's last weapon against bad behavior. 9 times out of 10 it's because the person is being a problem, whether getting involved in fights, sleeping on someone's front porch, or something else that shouldn't be tolerated.

The downside is that it can be used as a "fuck you, that's why" law if the local popo doesn't like you or you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

During the 1960s and 1970s when the Supreme Court was making all sorts of disastrous decisions that would screw over the country for years to come, they almost (5-4 against) declared public intoxication unconstitutional with one of the least sympathetic perps around...a habitual alcoholic who spent every last penny he earned on his alcohol instead of on his family.

They also don't seem to grasp the time savings a car brings over a cargo bike.

They don't get a lot of things—if you're living in apartments, then moving every few years is a way of life, but a car, even a shitbox, is going to be your best friend in moving. While a UHAUL or something similar is good for moving furniture (if you have such a thing) your car (even a shitbox) can carry a bunch of miscellaneous items for free without restrictions or weight limits (books add a lot of weight, but stuff like food, animals, and chemicals are no-gos on moving trucks).

Cheap moving and better eating when it comes to cars are like apartment complexes in the suburbs...if they don't have a prefabricated excuse to "argue" with, it just gets ignored.