US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

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Members of the Trump Administration
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[SpergioLeonne]

what do you want me to use instead, the Donald Trump dicksucking club?

I still haven't heard any good arguments against the fact that he walked back btw.

If all your friends walked across a Chinese styrofoam bridge, would you do it too? Huh!?


(Btw this is a different styrofoam bridge from the one I posted earlier)

 

[moocow]

It might be time for Null to update Kiwiflare once he figures out how they are bypassing it.

It's probably the 50 cent army, not literal bots.

ETA:

They can't do Real ID so I'll use my passport card at airports since it fits in my wallet like any other card.

Go get a full passport (the "book" kind). They're phasing these passport cards out. It used to be they were acceptable as proof of ID and citizenship for border crossings with Canada and Mexico, but they've quietly stopped accepting them for that purpose. So the cards are becoming novelties without much practical use anymore.

The airports might still accept them right now but remember -- they're professional hall monitors, eager to find any excuse to "disqualify" previously valid routines and documents. The instant a checkpoint goon catches wind that "oh no they're phasing those out" you can bet they'll start hassling people who present these.

Source: routine, friendly conversations with LEO I'm on good terms with when I travel through certain airports.

 

[SpergioLeonne]

It's probably the 50 cent army, not literal bots.

They’re probably so ashamed of their Chinese-ness that they’re using Bangladeshi VPNs

 

[quaawaa]

He walked back the tariff on electronics. Do you know who stands to gain the most from that? Taiwan. For every dollar China makes assembling and shipping an IPhone, Taiwan makes $15 for producing the parts. Taiwan and Trump have been doing a lot of negotiations and this change is more of a favor for Taiwan than China.

For example, the only parts of an iPhone made in China are the case and battery.

The case can be easily made by any machine shop with a CNC mill; Apple famously bought Foxconn their mills because they didn't have any.

There are competitive American manufacturers of batteries, with the most famous being Tesla.

The chip is made in Taiwan.
The camera is made in Japan.
The screen is made in South Korea.
The RAM is made in the United States.
The SSD is made in Japan.
The glass is made in the United States.
The modem is made in either South Korea or Taiwan (newer ones have an Apple-designed modem made by TSMC).

All the Taiwanese parts could be made in Arizona at TSMC's new fabs there and many will be as where the most recent and advanced fab is will bounce between Taiwan and the US each generation. What the MSM didn't cover is that all of TSMC's major customers (including Apple) demanded that they set up fabs in the US, so the CHIPS act was (as Trump has said) a complete waste of money as it paid them to do what they already planned on doing.

Apple could easily make the iPhone in the US but Tim Cook wasted a trillion dollars building factories in China and the sunk cost fallacy has been keeping them there.

 

[Luke Heaven 13!]

To the ActBlue wagies trying to astroturf. The use of “kek” is a dead giveaway. That shit was 2014.

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

For example, the only parts of an iPhone made in China are the case and battery.

The case can be easily made by any machine shop with a CNC mill; Apple famously bought Foxconn their mills because they didn't have any.

There are competitive American manufacturers of batteries, with the most famous being Tesla.

The chip is made in Taiwan.
The camera is made in Japan.
The screen is made in South Korea.
The RAM is made in the United States.
The SSD is made in Japan.
The glass is made in United States.
The modem is made in either South Korea or Taiwan (newer ones have an Apple-designed modem made by TSMC).

Apple could easily make the iPhone in the US but Tim Cook wasted a trillion dollars building factories in China and the sunk cost fallacy has been keeping them there.

Official US policy is that Taiwan is China. Been that way for decades.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

 

[JayseeDenton]

For example, the only parts of an iPhone made in China are the case and battery.

The case can be easily made by any machine shop with a CNC mill; Apple famously bought Foxconn their mills because they didn't have any.

There are competitive American manufacturers of batteries, with the most famous being Tesla.

The chip is made in Taiwan.
The camera is made in Japan.
The screen is made in South Korea.
The RAM is made in the United States.
The SSD is made in Japan.
The glass is made in United States.
The modem is made in either South Korea or Taiwan (newer ones have an Apple-designed modem made by TSMC).

Apple could easily make the iPhone in the US but Tim Cook wasted a trillion dollars building factories in China and the sunk cost fallacy has been keeping them there.

This is something I wish I could print out and staple to the face of so many fucking retards. "made in china" mean "assembled in china". They're extremly low on the value added scale.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Noooo we have to outsource our mining to a country that will strip mine and ruin the entire environment instead of doing it as clean as we would.

And don't forget the minefield of the Navajo and Hopi lands and Uranium. Did they get fucked over during the cold war? Absolutely. But now, even with better mining methods and production and no matter how closely we tried to work with them and actually educate the workers this time there would still be maximum grifting beyond what's already happened since the 90s and white/ 1/128th Navaho eco fags

 

[moocow]

To the ActBlue wagies trying to astroturf. The use of “kek” is a dead giveaway. That shit was 2014.

Truth. All bot impersonators and would-be influencers, the new "official" vernacular accepted by 4chan culture as acceptable "how do you do fellow kids?" identification is "I suck cock." Begin and end all posts with this ironically self-deprecating phrase to be recognized as an Actual, Official Anon. And don't forget to re-up your 4chan passes.

 

[Balanced Boomer]

True except I'd argue it's not even about showing submission, they don't even really understand the concept of "submission" because they don't grasp concept of one person being forcefully in charge, whether it's them or not. That is alien to them. It's all about consensus, fitting in with the group, not having anyone think badly of you. Their memes all look like this:

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Oh wow, an Occupy Democrats post. That takes me back, although I forget what particular type of brown it is that runs that account. It really is a good example how the nonsensical screeching hasn't changed since 2016.

 

[Buck Broken Chimp]

Now that electronics are exempt from Trump's China Tariffs. Are you officially ready to just admit Trump does' t have a plan there is no art of the deal there is no 5d chess. China gave Trump nothing in exchange for this he just looks weak and desperate.

Some say this was in response to concerns of anticipated consumer goods going up, but wasn't the point of the tarrifs to sacrifice for a greater tomorow ?

Some say it's because tech companies complained, wasn't the point of the tariffs to stick it to the ruthless tech elite who are "fucking" the working man ?

 

[Mantis Toboggan M.D.]

And that is absolutely a fair take. I too would prefer to buy European products, when they are available and especially for a reasonable price. The collective problem for all of the west is that we have sold our soul for the Chinese to improve our lives, to the point that we are now dependant on that nation. A nation run by authoritarians, communists (though in name only), who are no doubt eyeing global domination at some point.

The idea of bringing back production and manufacturing from China to the US and Europe is something we should strive towards. I merely disagree with the way Trump is doing it, because I don't see how it really going to produce results. Instead, it just makes us all poorer.

And the problem is, the way he's trying to change stuff is most likely not going to work. The only way for it to work, is for America is going to be set on Trump-aligned Republican dictatorship for the next few decades. What are the odds on that?

So instead, he's merely doing you (and everyone else) damage, that is most likely going to be reverted when the Democrats are going to be in power in 4 years if this keeps up. Or even if they won't be, Republicans who are not liking this current trend.

We are talking about setting up a trend for the next half a century. This is not the way to do it.

THEN HOW WOULD YOU DO IT YOU FUCKING HUN-NIGGER? YOU SAID YLU WANT RESHORING, BUT NOT THE TRUMP WAY- IF NOT TARIFFS, THEN WHAT?

 

[JayseeDenton]

Official US policy is that Taiwan is China. Been that way for decades.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

Not quite. We pull a very sneaky trick in regards to this to basically keep China happy. The official phrasing is.

The United States acknowledges that all Chinese on either side of the Taiwan Strait maintain there is but one China and that Taiwan is a part of China.

Basically we acknowledge that both sides claim to be the real China, but we don't say we think that ourselves. Just that we know THEY think it.

 

[WelperHelper99]

Now that electronics are exempt from Trump's China Tariffs. Are you officially ready to just admit Trump does' t have a plan there is no art of the deal there is no 5d chess. China gave Trump nothing in exchange for this he just looks weak and desperate.

Some say this was in response to concerns of anticipated consumer goods going up, but wasn't the point of the tarrifs to sacrifice for a greater tomorow ?

Some say it's because tech companies complained, wasn't the point of the tariffs to stick it to the ruthless tech elite who are "fucking" the working man ?

Bro we went over this a page ago. But you're a Wumao going for those quarters, so reading comprehension is 0%

 

[SaidNoOneEver]

Basically we acknowledge that both sides claim to be the real China, but we don't say we think that ourselves. Just that we know THEY think it.

Ahhhh. Smart trick. Surely those dumb chinamen are fooled by such genius.

 

[BigJoey41X]

Even though you're obviously not acting in good faith, I'll give you a serious answer anyway.
Literally everything in the world runs on computers. They're right behind water and oil in terms of what keeps modern society functioning.
For as much fun as it is to meme about Apple fanboys having to shell out twice as much for their goyslop products, a price hike on electronics that severe in such a short timeframe without giving a cool-off period to allow manufacturing to make its way back to America is how you trigger a recession so bad that you lose both the midterms and 2028 because no one will care about the long-term plan when they can't run their businesses due to lack of electronic access.
I already addressed the fact that literally all other tariffs remain unchanged and how little electronics actually impact Chinese exports in an earlier response, so it's not my fault if you can't read.

In short, so he did have to walk back some of his tariffs, this is what I have been saying, the orange man almost tanked the economy over this, do you see why throwing around tariffs with little to no foresight is bad?, and you fuckers defended him for this?

He walked back the tariff on electronics. Do you know who stands to gain the most from that? Taiwan. For every dollar China makes assembling and shipping an IPhone, Taiwan makes $15 for producing the parts. Taiwan and Trump have been doing a lot of negotiations and this change is more of a favor for Taiwan than China.

hold on, isn't he also putting tariffs on Taiwan too?, what's goin on there anyway

For example, the only parts of an iPhone made in China are the case and battery.

The case can be easily made by any machine shop with a CNC mill; Apple famously bought Foxconn their mills because they didn't have any.

There are American manufacturers of batteries, with the most famous being Tesla.

The chip is made in Taiwan.
The camera is made in Japan.
The screen is made in South Korea.
The RAM is made in the United States.
The SSD is made in Japan.
The glass is made in United States.
The modem is made in either South Korea or Taiwan (newer ones have an Apple-designed modem made by TSMC).

Look at this, the supply chain for just the iPhone involves a lot of different countries and companies working in tandem with each other to make sure this all works out in the end, there are countless other products with complicated supply chains as well and then King Orange over here said fuck it lets disrupt all of it because muh trade deficit

it isn't just me who realizes who how pants on retarded he got over this right?, something in me still believes you all supported this only because Trump was doing it, and not because you all genuinely believed that what he did was the right course to take.

 

[FILTH Tourist]

For example, the only parts of an iPhone made in China are the case and battery.

The case can be easily made by any machine shop with a CNC mill; Apple famously bought Foxconn their mills because they didn't have any.

There are competitive American manufacturers of batteries, with the most famous being Tesla.

The chip is made in Taiwan.
The camera is made in Japan.
The screen is made in South Korea.
The RAM is made in the United States.
The SSD is made in Japan.
The glass is made in United States.
The modem is made in either South Korea or Taiwan (newer ones have an Apple-designed modem made by TSMC).

Apple could easily make the iPhone in the US but Tim Cook wasted a trillion dollars building factories in China and the sunk cost fallacy has been keeping them there.

And Japan, SK, and Taiwan are all playing ball with the negotiations, so this exemption is starting to make more sense. Still sucks we need to rely on China for assembly, but hopefully part of the negotiations is moving assembly out of China.

hold on, isn't he also putting tariffs on Taiwan too?, what's goin on there anyway

Got paused, like with a lot of other countries willing to negotiate.

 

[Mister Fister]

He walked back the tariff on electronics. Do you know who stands to gain the most from that? Taiwan. For every dollar China makes assembling and shipping an IPhone, Taiwan makes $15 for producing the parts. Taiwan and Trump have been doing a lot of negotiations and this change is more of a favor for Taiwan than China.

Taiwan, all the China, none of the communism.

 

[quaawaa]

Taiwan, all the China, none of the communism.

I hope they can regain control of their rebellious province of West Taiwan.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

it isn't just me who realizes who pants on retarded

The irony of how badly you butchered this expression is not lost.