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Should be a wild four years.

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I'm the onsite IT support for two plants, literally went down to one of the bonding mills for complaints that print jobs from SAP were running slow. Part of the problem was one of the guys had multiple browser tabs open to watch his trail cams.
My company has a separate WiFi for employee use. You get in trouble for using a company computer to browse. One of the Vietnamese guys got a virus from a gambling site doing that
No. Not even a little bit? Your logic was "How true can it possibly be that China has unique tooling quality when they don’t have a single noteworthy machine tool manufacturer?"
You're saying they can't make good machined tooling or components because they don't have a major Mill or Lathe manufacturer in their country.
if you recall, you were saying we couldn’t build the capacity to do it. I brought up our machine tool industry as a point to say we could expand capacity rapidly because we make some of it here and wouldn’t have to ship it in from overseas

You’re like fucking obsessed with losing revenue to China, and pretending that as long as Apple keeps most of the profits to further fund overseas expansion, then our lost systemic revenue is fine because line go up

Adding,

No, China doesn’t have unique tooling anything. Taiwan developed that shit and moved it into China. If they can replicate some tooling by buying plug and play machines and using the Taiwanese programs developed to apple’s specifications, congratufuckinglations

What part of that means China has unique skills?
 
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Hey, quick question.

Do Trump's reciprocal tariffs exemptions (computers, semiconductor parts, etc) only apply for the 90 days grace period, while he makes new deals with the countries who reached out, or will they never ever get the reciprocal tariffs, even after the 90 days?
I'm under the impression that Trump uses the tariffs as a threat to get the other countries into the negotiating table, and if he reaches a satisfactory agreement with a given country, they don't get the tariffs, or they get a reduced tariff rate.
 
You’re like fucking obsessed with losing revenue to China, and pretending that as long as Apple keeps most of the profits to further fund overseas expansion, then our lost systemic revenue is fine because line go up
Gonna be real. Even if the doom and gloom was true. I'd still take it to see that golden faggot line drop like a rock and make the pencil necks afraid of factories piss themselves
 
Most gamers in general are incapable of getting through the day without saying the nigger word.
That is a perk of manufacturing jobs. Put it on the job recruitment ads.
Also, we tried this "train the country to have jobs" thing before. It was called the Great Society program and it failed. It's a chicken or the egg argument. Which comes first: the trained workers or the jobs?
Wikipedia: The Great Society was a series of domestic programs enacted by President Lyndon B. Johnson in the United States between 1964 and 1968, aimed at eliminating poverty, reducing racial injustice, and expanding social welfare in the country. Johnson first used the phrase in a May 7, 1964, speech at Ohio University. The Great Society aimed to build on the legacy of former President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal reforms of the 1930s, and sought to use the power of the federal government in order to address economic inequality, improve education and healthcare, and promote civil rights.

I'm not talking about reducing racial injustice and wasting resources trying to teach low IQ retards. Repeal all Civil Rights Acts.
I do agree that the economy will likely improve when the Boomers finally croak and stop holding onto every single upper-management position until they're 90 years old.
Society is going to massively change.
Working in the trades requires hard work and long hours. Most NEET gamers don't even know what a callus is.
Gamers give themselves calluses from speed running the same game for 16 hours a day.
And who guarantees all of this? Daddy gubmint?
Free education costs almost nothing if done online. It could require a government issued spyware laptop with glowie-anti-cheat and still be cheap.

The "guaranteed" house is a byproduct of having a job. There are already government programs for first-time home buyers. Push the rentseekers, driving housing prices up, out of the market with simple reforms and tell them to go invest in factories and resource extraction instead.
 
Gonna be real. Even if the doom and gloom was true. I'd still take it to see that golden faggot line drop like a rock and make the pencil necks afraid of factories piss themselves
I’m getting closer and closer to understanding why the bourgeoisie get overthrown

They’re so fucking unaware about anything that isn’t Bloomberg and consoom moar

I also have questions about how many fellow posters forget 100% of the information that lead them to a position on one day to the next. It’s actually weird and unsettling how all week the tone was like “yeah manufacturing is economically good” and today it’s bad

Did they read some article or watch some video that said “breaking! Expert says line go DOWN tomorrow! Also breaking! China says line go UP if you stop manufacturing!”
 
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I'm under the impression that Trump uses the tariffs as a threat to get the other countries into the negotiating table, and if he reaches a satisfactory agreement with a given country, they don't get the tariffs, or they get a reduced tariff rate.
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
 
If you watch any police bodycam, you understand how much of 'muh brutality' or 'he call me niggo' or 'he threaten me' only occurred in the inner machinations of the dindu's mind.
It's more that they've learned that they're magic spells that let them get away. That's all that matters. Future? Doesn't exist. Past? That was someone else. All that matters is they get you to flinch RIGHT NOW so he can run away RIGHT NOW, the rest of anything be damned.

They need a good 50k-100k years of evolution off on an island somewhere. Maybe they'll figure out basic agriculture, tool making, and fire and we can reconsider first contact.
 
I’m getting closer and closer to understanding why the bourgeoisie get overthrown

They’re so fucking unaware about anything that isn’t Bloomberg and consoom moar
Life is more than line go up. It's about actually living and not just surviving. People need jobs. Good jobs. Not bullshit jobs. Line can go down if jobs go up. That is good overall and raises happiness for the average man way up.
 
In Jewish Billionaire Pritzker news...

Gov. JB Pritzker rips Trump tariffs on first Fox News appearance, calls them ‘taxes on working families’
Chicago Tribune (archive.ph)
By Dan Petrella
2025-04-13 21:20:10GMT
Gov. JB Pritzker on Sunday used his first-ever appearance on Fox News to take his criticisms of President Donald Trump’s sweeping tariffs to the network’s conservative-leaning audience, labeling the Republican administration’s levies on imports “taxes on working families.”

Pritzker, who has made frequent national media appearances since Trump retook the White House this year, is widely viewed as a potential contender for the 2028 Democratic presidential nomination. And as “Fox News Sunday” host Shannon Bream noted in the morning show interview, the billionaire governor has taken a more aggressive approach to criticizing the president than other Democratic governors who are also frequently mentioned in those conversations, including Michigan’s Gretchen Whitmer and California’s Gavin Newsom.

Illinois’ two-term Democratic governor wasn’t asked directly about his presidential aspirations, and he sidestepped a question about a Fox News poll that showed majority support for GOP positions on issues such as bans on transgender athletes, deportation of immigrants in the U.S. without legal permission and increased domestic oil production.

Instead, the American people “want affordability to go up,” Pritzker said when asked whether Democrats are out of step with voters. “They want their costs to go down when they go to the grocery store. That’s the opposite of what this administration does. This administration says they’re for working families and then attacks working families with the biggest tax increase in U.S. history with these tariffs.”

Pritzker’s roughly 10-minute interview followed a week when Trump’s on-again, off-again tariffs roiled stock markets and left American investors, businesses and the nation’s trading partners perplexed about what the president is attempting to achieve. The governor’s Fox interview was immediately preceded on the TV program, which airs on Fox affiliates across the country, by a segment about support for tariffs in the shrimping industry in the South.

Pritzker said the potential for tariffs to help certain industries that face competitive disadvantages is “an argument for targeted tariffs.”

“But that’s not what President Trump has done,” the governor said. “He’s put massive tariffs across the board, and that’s going to affect not only the cost for average working families going to the grocery store, but it’s also going to affect the sales of crops that we grow in the state of Illinois and across the United States.”

Pushing the U.S. toward potential trade wars with some of its largest export markets is going to make it harder for highly productive Illinois farmers to sell their corn, soybeans, pork and beef, Pritzker said.

“We’ve got to focus on targeted tariffs,” he said. “Good trade policy, I might add, is really about protecting U.S. workers, making sure that we’re expanding markets overseas, and focusing on lowering costs for American families. And none of what President Trump has done really does that.”

Pritzker also pushed back on the argument that Trump’s use of tariffs is causing U.S. companies to consider building up domestic production or retain jobs here that otherwise might have gone overseas.

Some of those decisions already were being made as a result of President Joe Biden’s Inflation Reduction Act, while any possible significant increases in U.S. manufacturing and jobs as a result of steep tariffs would take years to materialize, “and we’re going to lose a lot of jobs and have a big recession in between,” Pritzker said.

Pritzker also criticized Trump for using tariffs as a way of “punishing” major allies and trading partners, including Europe, Canada and Mexico, where the governor recently completed a trade mission and signed a memorandum of understanding with the state that contains Mexico City.

“We’ve got a free trade agreement between Mexico, Canada and the United States that should be strengthened, and we should continue to use that,” Pritzker said. “It’s one that President Trump put in place, President Biden abided by during his term, and now President Trump wants to blow all that up and re-trade the very thing that he negotiated.”

Earlier in the program, Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins said Trump “is working to fix” imbalances that have hurt American producers.

“For decades, the way we have been treated in this country and especially our farmers and ranchers is absolutely stunning,” Rollins said. “We have been living under a tariff regime but it has been the regime of other countries.”

During the interview, Bream pressed Pritzker on his frequent claims that Republicans in Congress want to cut Medicaid, noting that both Trump and U.S. House Speaker Mike Johnson have said cuts to the government-run health insurance program for the poor aren’t on the table in current federal budget negotiations.

But Pritzker said the GOP’s proposed $880 billion in cuts to federal spending would not be possible without hitting Medicaid or other social safety net programs.

“There are only three places that you can find that kind of money. And those are the things that most Americans, frankly, rely upon. I mean Medicaid, Medicare and Social Security,” Pritzker said. “It’s going to really hurt working families across the United States.”

Unmentioned in the interview was the invitation Pritzker received Friday to testify before the House Oversight Committee about Illinois’ policies toward immigrants who are in the country without authorization.

Pritzker spokesman Alex Gough said last week that the governor was “evaluating whether he should take time from his busy schedule serving the people of Illinois to educate the House GOP on these matters.”

The request from Republican U.S. Rep. James Comer of Kentucky, chairman of the Oversight Committee, came about a month after Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson testified before the same committee about the city’s similar policies.

Comer said in a social media post Thursday that he also invited Democratic Govs. Tim Walz of Minnesota and Kathy Hochul of New York to testify about their states’ “sanctuary policies,” which he contended threaten safety and violate federal law.

Illinois law “is fully compliant with federal law and ensures law enforcement can focus on doing their actual jobs while empowering all members of the public — regardless of immigration status — to feel comfortable calling law enforcement to seek help, report crimes, and cooperate in investigations,” Gough said in an emailed statement, also noting that one of the Illinois laws in question was signed by Pritzker’s predecessor, Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner.
 
Found the clip that's been going arround
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It is from this interview in 2017 with Fortune global forum that took place in Guangzhou. I always hate these random clips that don't say when and where something is from
It's an interesting interview but you have to look at it's audience. He's in China a country that is completely based on face culture and bullshit. Of course he's going to fellate them while he uses them to make his iphones. I will say the very truthful part of this is the tooling is the most expensive part. In literally any manufactuering operation the key is getting your tooling setup and then having people trained. Another true aspect is the US now does lack a skilled labor force because only dumb people are in manufacturing and you should go to school and get a degree in art literacy instead.

He's not lying in this interview and he makes some good points but this is like looking at an any other piece of propaganda. Do you think he's going to go to China to a manufacturing center and say "hey we really take advantage of you dumb fucks" Obviously not. On the flip side I have years in US manufacturing so I'm equally biased. I also have years of dealing with chinesium products. We certainly don't source any tooling or designs from China, no one does really they give them the equipment and the designs and they execute them.

Chinese people tend to have fairly high IQs, there's a reason the outsourcing operations are doing so much better in Vietnam then in India. Just look at the intelligence of the workforce.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
The tariffs were always a temporary thing. Eventually, they'll work out a backroom deal, and Trump will back off from the tariffs if he gets a concession from them.

That, and Trump's billionaire backers do NOT like the tariffs. If they walk away from him, he'll have no support, especially if Congress turns on him come next election.

The crowd that hates Russia is cozying up to China.
lmao. I love this.
To be fair, China holds Russia by the balls. If the Europeans get cozy enough with China, China can tell Russia to fuck off from Ukraine or else.

China far outclasses Russia in terms of military, tech, and money. They can, as Reagan did, outspend the Russians to the grave.

it's funny because all of them would literally collapse within a year without the USA
They only need the USA because of Russia. If China tells the Russians to fuck off and stop bothering Europe, NATO would have no use whatsoever.

Shit, if Putin didn't invade Ukraine, NATO could've died a slow, natural death.
 
He does, but I don't see how that has much to do with my question.
You could even say that the full-on exempt of tariffs for certain products, like he just did, puts Trump in a bit of a weaker negotiating position, because you just lost some leverage there.

I tend to trust him because I know he's acting on knowledge that I don't have, but I'm just super confused by those blanket tariff exemptions on certain specific goods. And hoping it's only for those 90 days, and not permanently.
To my understanding he didn't "full on exempt" anything, he paused tariffs with countries that are negotiating (carrot to show if they behave they'll get rewarded), and electronics etc were not exempted but were always intended to have a 20% tariff on them which is what they have currently.
For the former, we saw the same with Canada where they got tariff'd, they negotiated, they failed to meet what they promised, and the tariffs went back in place.

The same will happen to any countries who don't follow up with what they promise during negotiations. The pause doesn't result in less leverage, it dangles a deadline above their head.

I would imagine the different rate for electronics is to give additional time to set up deals in other countries like Vietnam, or to give time for factories to move here as Trump has been known to do for e.g. car factories when they requested additional time after being in the process of setting up their factories.

Alternatively it's to encourage factories to move here while not making shit ridiculously expensive given how important electronics are for many things (much more so than plastic chink shit, baby toys, shoes, or clothes).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong on any of this.
 
Good luck with that. Most people think marriage is a trap. And if you try to roll back on the "wins" women gained in the marriage department, you lose their votes, and you lose the election.
Repealing Roe v Wade was also impossible. Ending government support for trannies, impossible. Ending the Department of Education, impossible. Ending USAID, impossible. Offering White a south Africans a path to citizenship, impossible. Building the the wall; using the Alien Enemies Act; deporting studies and immigrants who lived here 10+ years, impossible.

You don't have to roll back women being allowed to have bank accounts and have a career. No fault divorce would still be allowed, but either both agree and split 50/50 or the sole-leaver forfeits everything (maybe up to years living expenses to be nice). Marriage infidelity is fault for divorce and would tip the scales against the cheater.

With good PR you could easily make women fight in favor of this. "Have a forever marriage"; "Cheaters don't prosper".

If housing is affordable on a single income a single mother could look forward to not working if she finds a new husband.
For all the talk conservatives[...]
I'm not "conservative", FYI. Trump isn't conservative either.

Women's voting patterns are shifting. Trannies in sports, healthier food, safer medicine, and better schools are issues they care about. "Reverse racism" at Universities is another issue they want fixed.
 
Trump isn't conservative either.
GOP has been controlled opposition for a long time, the establishment doesn't like outsiders like Trump (who really is just a 90's Dem crossed with Neo-Reagan policies). Most Americans think there are only two options politically; I saw some people earlier in the thread talking about stuff like Monarchism, Fascism, you could probably throw in Imperialism or Reactionary politics or something. Older countries with centuries of more political development than the US.

This being said, those ideologies I listed above are so far out of the scope of what most Americans consider "right wing" that they think someone is a Dem voter by default if they say they don't like the GOP/Trump Administration or criticize them in any way. Kabuki theater making red puppet and blue puppet slap fight. Interesting the common "right wing" American being befuddled by actual right wing politics.
 
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