'I've been threatened over my Please Offer Me A Seat badge' - Entitled and selfish behaviour, or something people should do instinctively?

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Londoners living with disabilities and chronic health conditions say they have struggled to use a Transport for London (TfL) scheme while travelling, with one even threatened by another passenger.

The "Please Offer Me A Seat" badge and card scheme, which marks its eighth anniversary this month, is designed to help those with disabilities and health conditions by signalling, external to other passengers they should give up their seat if needed.

But Eliza Rain, 28, who has a chronic pain condition, said when using the badge they were often challenged and one passenger "threatened to push me off the train because I'd asked for their seat".

A TfL spokesperson encouraged passengers to give up their seat to someone who asks where possible, even if the person asking isn't wearing a badge.
It comes after TfL commissioned research last year into the effectiveness of its sister priority seating, external scheme - where certain seats on trains, Tube carriages and buses are marked as being for people with visible or non-apparent disabilities and conditions, parents with infants, and older people.

TfL advises people with disabilities and conditions making it hard for them to stand to apply for a Please Offer Me A Seat or "Baby On Board" badge to make it easier for them to secure a seat.

Seats 'not given up'​

Eliza, a content creator from London, is one of the more than 140,000 people who use the badge.

They said they used it for more than four years on their Tube commute and on buses and trains, but eventually opted to use their wheelchair while on public transport due to how many other passengers refused to give up their seat.

"People wouldn't give me a seat, and I couldn't stand... without potentially having a dangerous medical episode," they explained.

When working in their old job, Eliza said it was stressful and "pretty much impossible" for them to get a seat on the Northern line to London Bridge using the badge, despite being at risk of passing out.

They said: "I had someone basically just shout at me and flat out say 'no'.

"Someone else threatened to push me off the train because I'd asked for their seat because I needed to sit down, and they were in the priority area and didn't have a badge. Obviously they could have said no if they needed the seat."

On some days not being able to sit down on the Tube caused a symptom flare-up which left them unable to do daily activities like cook a meal.

They said they had also been questioned in the past about "what was wrong" with them when using the badge. The TfL website states that badge and cardholders don't need to explain their reasons for using it.

Eliza has since created and shared videos on social media of their experience using the badge to raise awareness.

"I've seen people in my comment section be like, 'Why don't you just show a doctor's note or something?'

"Why would I do that? Nobody else is doing that to be able to get on the Tube," they said.

TfL has tried to increase awareness of and improve attitudes towards the scheme among passengers through its Priority Seating week and with adverts on public transport.

But a small survey conducted for TfL between March and May 2024 showed that in 20 of 77 instances (26%) when all seats were full and someone with a disability needed to sit down, the passenger in a priority seat did not give up their seat and did not state when asked that they needed it themselves.

The TfL report said of those people in priority seats who were interviewed, "many claimed to be unaware that they were in a priority seat and didn't know its meaning", and that passengers often "weren't paying attention to their surroundings or other passengers who might have needed a seat".

'People don't look up'​

Luke Raggett, 31, from Hampstead in north-west London, uses the badge because he has polycystic kidney disease and is awaiting a kidney transplant.

He needs to sit down when he experiences episodes of lower back discomfort and dizziness when standing or walking, which can cause what he describes as "unbearable" pain.

Like some of those surveyed by TfL, Luke struggled to be seen as needing a seat without the badge.

He said he was once sitting in a regular seat on a bus and "this guy just decided to poke me with his walking stick and told me to move out of this seat... because I'm young".

Luke added: "When you do have an invisible disability, unless you're in that scenario I think it's just very hard for others to be able to respect, understand, see it."

Luke said his experience using the badge was mostly positive, with many people giving up their seats, but he still struggled to be noticed even with his badge.

"A lot of people that are younger than me don't look around or necessarily have that thought in their mind of giving up a seat."

Commuting was also difficult, he explained, because "by the time that you get on to the Tube sometimes there's no chance of even getting to a seat", and at other times people would stare at him and his badge.

"It's just constantly, you'll look around and then they keep looking at you... I can't tell if they've got a problem with me," he said.

Despite this, he said he wanted to encourage those who needed the badge to apply for one.

Behaviour 'unacceptable'​

Mark Evers, TfL's chief customer officer, said: "This behaviour is unacceptable, and these incidents must have been distressing and demoralising for those involved.

"We are truly sorry for this and have asked BBC to put us in touch with the customers affected to understand more about what happened.

He added: "There are lots of reasons that someone might need a seat when they travel, including non-visible disabilities, conditions and illnesses.

"While our 'Please Offer Me A Seat' badges make it easier to let other passengers know someone needs a seat, we encourage all those who can, to give up their seat to someone who asks, even if the person asking isn't wearing a badge.

"We also encourage people to look up and keep an eye out for anyone who might need a seat."
 
Eliza, a content creator from London, is one of the more than 140,000 people who use the badge.

They said they used it for more than four years on their Tube commute and on buses and trains, but eventually opted to use their wheelchair while on public transport due to how many other passengers refused to give up their seat.

"People wouldn't give me a seat, and I couldn't stand... without potentially having a dangerous medical episode," they explained.
There's a 99.999999% chance that a "content creator" using "they" as a pronoun is not actually disabled. The troon is clearly standing in the picture, without having a "dangerous medical episode". Also, there is no medical condition where you can walk through a train station but not stand up in the train.

The person who refused to give up their seat did the right thing.
"I've seen people in my comment section be like, 'Why don't you just show a doctor's note or something?'

"Why would I do that? Nobody else is doing that to be able to get on the Tube," they said.
Because nobody else is trying to force other people out of their seats.
 
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even if it wasn’t a troon, “Please offer me a seat” sounds like a pick up line
I think it sounds rude and condescending.

If I've paid for a ticket to travel, then I will consider giving up my seat for an elderly person or somebody whom I perceive to be in real need.

I do not and will not give up my seat for somebody who says 'but you should.'

If I don't, what then? Am I going to be prosecuted? What gives them the right to say 'you should stand for me', hang on - I could be in chronic pain or have depression or a none of their fucking business issue. If they really want to be that precious, fuck off and ask somebody who cares.

I doubt they would do the same to somebody with an elderly person on crutches - they'd be as selfish as those they wish to portray as selfish.

Hopefully somebody will front up to these bullies.
 
Ah yes, those usual sympathetic suspects
He said he was once sitting in a regular seat on a bus and "this guy just decided to poke me with his walking stick and told me to move out of this seat... because I'm young".
"I refused to stand for someone who needed a cane to support themselves and they were rude to me. Wah!"
"Someone else threatened to push me off the train because I'd asked for their seat because I needed to sit down, and they were in the priority area and didn't have a badge. Obviously they could have said no if they needed the seat."
What's the betting this one tried to oust someone with one leg but no special "badge"?
 
Modern white countries can't even do discrimination right. If you want those able-privileged cissoids out of the good seats, you have to make them sit in the back. Forcing the privileged oppressed/enlightened people to confront the swine for their seat is uncivilized.
 
Also, there is no medical condition where you can walk through a train station but not stand up in the train.
There are spine conditions where walking is fine but standing is not. However, I don't believe for a second she has any of them. I think she's diagnosed herself with POTS like every other affluent terminally online woman but doesn't want to admit it because people are quickly catching onto what a bullshit "syndrome" it almost always is.
 
"People wouldn't give me a seat, and I couldn't stand... without potentially having a dangerous medical episode," [she]* explained.
"Freaking out" is not a "medical episode".

*Yes, "Eliza Rain" probably a genuine woman judging from the voice.

"I've seen people in my comment section be like, 'Why don't you just show a doctor's note or something?'
Because she doesn't have one.

If I've paid for a ticket to travel, then I will consider giving up my seat for an elderly person or somebody whom I perceive to be in real need.
If someone asks nicely and explain why he or she needs a seat, I might give mine up -- but if you let a badge to do the talking for you, too lazy to even ask, then sorry.
 
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Although I think that whoever wrote this article must have had to look high and low to find individuals who are as unsympathetic as those who were chosen to be featured in this piece, every time I take public transportation (which admittedly is not often) I'm horrified by the large number of people who will let a 90-year-old granny with 2 bags of groceries suffer rather than stand their 18-year-old ass up.

Both my former mother-in-law and I have threatened all of my children that they will bring shame down upon this family for GENERATIONS to come if either of us EVER find out that they have remained seated while an elder, a sick or injured person, a pregnant lady, or a person with little kids had to stand. Regardless of how they feel. Regardless of what their friends are doing. And although I'm a fairly calm person, we are ALL terrified of Grand-mere and even more terrified of what will happen once she's a ghost who can haunt us unburdened by the constraints of the laws of physics. So I'm pretty sure my kids are being well-mannered on the bus and tram.
 
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