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In summary, manufacturing coming back to America if done correctly won't be a return to sweatshop labor and low IQ jobs. It will bring advances in industry and offer people who are willing to learn a lot of opportunities. Arguably with the same amount of down time that people in offices have thanks to automation.
The more important point is that reshoring manufacturing is not going to employ nearly the number of people that seems to be believed. The only real bump in low-skilled labor will be in construction - building all the plants - and that won't be done without firm commitments that policy won't change again 10 minutes from now. Billion-dollar plants require decades to pay off and if this is just short-term posturing nobody will put up that money.
 
The more important point is that reshoring manufacturing is not going to employ nearly the number of people that seems to be believed. The only real bump in low-skilled labor will be in construction - building all the plants - and that won't be done without firm commitments that policy won't change again 10 minutes from now. Billion-dollar plants require decades to pay off and if this is just short-term posturing nobody will put up that money.
Manufacturing is scalable. You don’t need a billion dollar plant to manufacture.

We also have a full ass green light from Vietnam to pick up some of what’s moving out of China, which is excellent in terms of isolating China. They were planning to build out a whole rail system to Vietnam, with their proprietary gauge tracks to lock in a level of interdependence
 
Manufacturing is scalable. You don’t need a billion dollar plant to manufacture.

We also have a full ass green light from Vietnam to pick up some of what’s moving out of China, which is excellent in terms of isolating China. They were planning to build out a whole rail system to Vietnam, with their proprietary gauge tracks to lock in a level of interdependence
That table-mounted robot welding arm in the guy's pic is well over 6 figures. For one. An industrial CNC machine can cost a million. For one.

It's not 1955 any more.
 
Need to start sending requests to end CAFE emission regulations would be nice to able to buy a light truck again
This but for reviving economy-grade sedans and station wagons. Make it so you can't do write-offs or deductions on the heavier trucks and SUVs anymore, for both the businesses and the public. Also make the manufacturing of smaller SUV-like vehicles get so expensive and bloated with technology that when the costs is passed down to the customers, they'll prefer the cheaper option as there will be no other choice. So basically, tax the living shit out of those taller, bigger vehicles.

Not only that but I'm all in favor of reducing luxurious models/trims from non-luxury car brands that we can go without. Maybe that'll get the consumers to quit wasting money on shit they don't need, like any F-150 that goes above the Lariat name and have trims like the King Ranch be a limited time offer.
If Trump actually did/said this (I've found no evidence that headline is true) he could win the 18 to 30 year old male vote for the Republican party for life

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A little ugly but if it were true, it would be a major seller here. Those dudes will want something they can do whatever they wish for a fairly low cost. It'd make the truck producers here scramble for a competitor.

All of this is a pretty optimistic outlook but I want to believe. Perhaps the form could do something..
 
I really don’t understand the Stephen Smith thing. To me, he was always just the black guy who looked like a leprechaun while inserting politics into ESPN. He’s just a flash in the pan who is shooting his shot way too early. There are real contenders like Shapiro, Whitmer, and Newsome out there. They know the time to gain momentum as a candidate is not for another couple of years.
then again, since he's a "outsider" like trump was, it might do him some good?
 
That table-mounted robot welding arm in the guy's pic is well over 6 figures. For one. An industrial CNC machine can cost a million. For one.

It's not 1955 any more.
A haas cnc mill is generally under $100k so some of you all will buy gmc trucks that cost more, and you don’t NEED the robot arm to do manufacturing, but it’s available as a smaller SCALE version of a big ass robot arm, is what the guy was trying to say.

You’re just throwing shit at the wall to what, say America can’t make things? Wait till service exports crash and see where you are
 
As someone adjacent to manufacturing(I’m in energy sector), some of the chemicals and shit that need to be handled make me glad there are regulations in place, because if companies had free reign to have workers around some of this shit longer than we allow its bad news for the poor fucker they choose
Beryllium. All I need to say
 
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I'm a zoomer and I don't get it. I also remember Windows XP in its prime. Maybe these two are connected.
Fellow 1999 Zoomer here; yeah there is a world of difference between Zoomers born before and after 2000 in how they behave and present themselves to others. I'm similar to you in that my first OS was Windows XP on my father's computer, which I slowly but surely took over because he rarely used it. I remember Liveleak as well.
 
A haas cnc mill is generally under $100k so some of you all will buy gmc trucks that cost more, and you don’t NEED the robot arm to do manufacturing, but it’s available as a smaller SCALE version of a big ass robot arm, is what the guy was trying to say.

You’re just throwing shit at the wall to what, say America can’t make things? Wait till service exports crash and see where you are
Notice I said industrial CNC machines, the kind used for mass-production. We're talking about mass production, not a specialty shop with two machines that can maybe do three custom parts a week for $15k apiece. Those exist and that's already a healthy business. Plants that can produce 10,000 of those parts a week - like is done in Asia and we're dreaming about bringing to the US - would easily be billion-dollar plants in the US and *might* directly employ 500 people.
 
Fellow 1999 Zoomer here; yeah there is a world of difference between Zoomers born before and after 2000 in how they behave and present themselves to others. I'm similar to you in that my first OS was Windows XP on my father's computer, which I slowly but surely took over because he rarely used it. I remember Liveleak as well.
Those old computers taught patience. No, everything wasn't laid out in a ergonomic manner. There is no user manual. Youtube doesn't exist yet to tell you how to troubleshoot. It is an arcane magic box. Figure it the fuck out.
 
The immigrants thing gets skewed because the few African immigrants we get that aren’t refugees tend to be more competent than the rest of the continent. The country of origin matters a lot too.
I have two anecdotes. The first is from when I was in college, and met a black dude from DRC. Christian, sweet, gentle, studying to be a doctor so he can go back to DRC and help make the lives of his people better. Very intelligent, multilingual, hard working, just all around a great human being.

The second is from when I worked at a pork processing plant. First day I'm there doing onboarding, we are given all of our gear. For most people that just means a pair of rubber boots and a hard hat. Everyone got their boots and hard hat given to them, and we needed to move to another room temporarily. When we got back into the first room where we left our gear, some African dude grabbed someone else's boots. They were just his now. His buddy next to him knew it was not OK, I mean for fucks sake the dumb nigger was given HIS OWN BOOTS, so his (also African) buddy tried to tell him to put them back, grab his own, and he just made "psst" noises to shut his buddy up. Later on, someone applying for a job came back and said "Lojack says my phone is in this room. I just need it for my contacts, please give me back my phone." Silence. Silence. Silence. "OK well I guess I'll file a police report then, but please leave my phone here if you did steal it." They leave, nobody left the phone there.

As much as I'd love anecdote one to be the typical interaction with Africans, anecdote two is much, much more likely.
 
Notice I said industrial CNC machines, the kind used for mass-production. We're talking about mass production, not a specialty shop with two machines that can maybe do three custom parts a week for $15k apiece. Those exist and that's already a healthy business. Plants that can produce 10,000 of those parts a week - like is done in Asia and we're dreaming about bringing to the US - would easily be billion-dollar plants in the US and *might* directly employ 500 people.
Mass production refers to volume. You can mass produce with haas cnc mills. Buy more as you onboard people to run them. The type of machine you’re talking about costing a million dollars is more like the DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED equipment MAG makes, which is for speciality shit like ship building. We can’t really outsource naval shipbuilding, and that’s an entirely different issue

The main wealth transfer shit in exchange for performing value added processes within our economy is going to look like this
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AHHH FUCK! DONT THOSE RETARDS KNOW WE OUTSOURCED MOST OF INTEL!? WE CANT BUILD THE CHIPS WE INVENTED!!
 
Mass production refers to volume. You can mass produce with haas cnc mills. Buy more as you onboard people to run them. The type of machine you’re talking about costing a million dollars is more like the DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED equipment MAG makes, which is for speciality shit like ship building. We can’t really outsource naval shipbuilding, and that’s an entirely different issue

The main wealth transfer shit in exchange for performing value added processes within our economy is going to look like this
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AHHH FUCK! DONT THOSE RETARDS KNOW WE OUTSOURCED MOST OF INTEL!? WE CANT BUILD THE CHIPS WE INVENTED!!
OK you really got me there. $25 billion for a plant it is then. My mistake.
 
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