US US Politics General 2 - Discussion of President Trump and other politicians

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Should be a wild four years.

Helpful links for those who need them:

Current members of the House of Representatives
https://www.house.gov/representatives

Current members of the Senate
https://www.senate.gov/senators/

Current members of the US Supreme Court
https://www.supremecourt.gov/about/biographies.aspx

Members of the Trump Administration
https://www.whitehouse.gov/administration/

 

[JayseeDenton]

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still want jeffery E. part 2

https://x.com/TheInsiderPaper/status/1912207593042518312

Cast your votes now, do leftists reluctantly celebrate this or try to spin it as ackstchually a bad thing?

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

Cast your votes now, do leftists reluctantly celebrate this or try to spin it as ackstchually a bad thing?

What do you think, Lumpy?

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

Stephen Miller was already chudding out in newspapers at age 16.

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Miller cut off a childhood friend for being mexican, told mexican classmates to speak English, and showed up to school meetings to attack their fight against racism (then immediately left). He also reportedly enjoys seeing pictures of families separated at the Southern Border.

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He complained about having a mexican maid drive him to school because it made him look poor.
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Dang, this dude lives it.

 

[Gauf]

The Supreme Court said that the government had to facilitate his return to the US. The government’s response is to throw up their hands and refuse to follow through.

They did not. Nowhere in the Supreme Court order did they say this. Post the screenshot if you can find it.

Here it is.

“The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.”

Additionally:

“Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (200. The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at .”

“I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”

 

[Too Many Catgirls]

about those Obamas divorce rumor, that would be such a mistake for Michelle. Like what is her middle name? I have never heard of it before, let alone her maiden name. We all know Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama. But what would Michelle’s name become? She would be a nobody. That’s why Hillary stayed married to Bill.

I’m not even sure where this rumor came from. If it’s about her lack of appearances at Jimmy carters funeral or the inauguration, that was months ago. And who can blame a woman if she just wants to go to the tropics when people make fun of how masculine she looks?

His middle name is "Big Mike".

 

[quaawaa]

“Instead of hastening to correct its egregious error, the Government dismissed it as an “oversight.” Decl. of R. Cerna in No. 25–cv–951 (D Md., Mar. 31, 2025), ECF Doc. 11–3, p. 3. The Government now requests an order from this Court permitting it to leave Abrego Garcia, a husband and father without a criminal record, in a Salvadoran prison for no reason recognized by the law. The only argument the Government offers in support of its request, that United States courts cannot grant relief once a deportee crosses the border, is plainly wrong. See Rumsfeld v. Padilla, 542 U. S. 426, 447, n. 16 (2004); cf. Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U. S. 723, 732 (200. The Government’s argument, moreover, implies that it could deport and incarcerate any person, including U. S. citizens, without legal consequence, so long as it does so before a court can intervene. See Trump v. J. G. G., 604 U. S. ___, ___ (2025) (SOTOMAYOR, J., dissenting) (slip op., at .”

“I agree with the Court’s order that the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”

That quote isn't from the order, but rather from a statement made by Sotomayor that Kagan and Jackson joined.

 

[Gauf]

That quote isn't from the order, but rather from a statement made by Sotomayor that Kagan and Jackson joined.

The order came from a lower court that the Supreme Court is upholding in this statement.

 

[quaawaa]

The order came from a lower court that the Supreme Court is upholding in this statement.

You cut out the full context of the Supreme Court's ruling:

The application is granted in part and denied in part, subject to the direction of this order. Due to the administrative stay issued by THE CHIEF JUSTICE, the deadline imposed by the District Court has now passed. To that extent, the Government’s emergency application is effectively granted in part and the deadline in the challenged order is no longer effective. The rest of the District Court’s order remains in effect but requires clarification on remand. The order properly requires the Government to “facilitate” Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador. The intended scope of the term “effectuate” in the District Court’s order is, however, unclear, and may exceed the District Court’s authority. The District Court should clarify its directive, with due regard for the deference owed to the Executive Branch in the conduct of foreign affairs. For its part, the Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps. The order heretofore entered by THE CHIEF JUSTICE is vacated.

They punted it back to the District Court, asked them to clarify what they were asking the Government to do, and warned them that their power to tell the Executive Branch how to conduct foreign affairs is limited.

The next steps would be for the District Court to issue a new order and for the Justice Department to appeal it back to the Supreme Court with the argument that the Judicial Branch is not constitutionally empowered to direct foreign policy.

 

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Unrelated to the current discussion, but can someone tell me when keeping track of your personal documents and records stopped being a normal part of being an adult? So many people complaining they can’t vote because they lost their shit or let it expire. It wasn’t a problem when you got your driver’s license and it shouldn’t be a problem now. Figure it out. If you can’t figure it out, you are the type of person who will vote for whoever will give you the most for doing the least, and I don’t want your input anyway.

Even getting a Driver's license is falling out of the norm. It's wild. I've got a niece and nephew both recently out of college who don't have one. Only one has a job and they use rideshare/PT and still live at home. And probably will live there for as long as they possibly can because they both have useless art degrees and neither have any interest in actually growing up. The parents are reaping what they sowed and I giggle every time I hear them bitching about having two kids in their 20's still living at home.

I think people are genuinely fucking retarded and don't bother with most of these things even if they're well into their 30s.

It's not even that hard anymore either. It used to be if you needed a replacement certified copy of your Birth Certificate, or SS Card or whatever, it was a pain in the ass. Now it's all done online and you don't even have to do that scary thing where you have to go in and talk to a stranger or whatever. Even the DMV is a cake these days. Online for most things, and things that aren't? Most states can make appointments online, you show up with your appoitment ID and you're in and out in 15 mins max.

Fuckin... going to the DMV used to be an all day bullshit excercise in the worst aspects of humanity.

 

[quaawaa]

Even getting a Driver's license is falling out of the norm. It's wild. I've got a niece and nephew both recently out of college who don't have one. Only one has a job and they use rideshare/PT and still live at home. And probably will live there for as long as they possibly can because they both have useless art degrees and neither have any interest in actually growing up. The parents are reaping what they sowed and I giggle every time I hear them bitching about having two kids in their 20's still living at home.

I'm sorry that you have two members of /r/fuckcars in your family. My condolences.

 

[Gauf]

You cut out the full context of the Supreme Court's ruling:

They punted it back to the District Court, asked them to clarify what they were asking the Government to do, and warned them that their powers to tell the Executive Branch how to conduct foreign affairs are limited.

I provided a link to the actual Supreme Court statement which contains the full context. The passage you even quoted begins with the sentence “The application is granted in part and denied in part”. The part in question, whether the Government must facilitate his return, is the part that is granted.

 

[Fishmalk Observer]

I'm sorry that you have two members of /r/fuckcars in your family. My condolences.

They might just be communists, or antifas. I know there is very little difference but still

 

[JayseeDenton]

It's not even that hard anymore either. It used to be if you needed a replacement certified copy of your Birth Certificate, or SS Card or whatever, it was a pain in the ass. Now it's all done online and you don't even have to do that scary thing where you have to go in and talk to a stranger or whatever. Even the DMV is a cake these days. Online for most things, and things that aren't? Most states can make appointments online, you show up with your appoitment ID and you're in and out in 15 mins max.

Fuckin... going to the DMV used to be an all day bullshit excercise in the worst aspects of humanity.

I've noticed this as well other than having to deal with indians. As long as you never have to actually call anybody things are easier now than ever before. If you do have a problem that can't be solved online it's a bout a million times worse though.

Come to think of it there's probably a causal relationship there, call centers used to be something that enough people interacted with that they were held to standards. Now it's just something they technically need to have.

 

[Fuck Bankers]

To be somewhat fair in the historical context, the late 19th and early 20th centuries were a political powderkeg and there were countless movements which saw humanity moving in a progression, and that part of that necessary progression meant the development of governments and societies to make people better. Both left- and right-wing revolutionaries and intellectuals pushed this kind of stuff in the United States and elsewhere.

It was Friedrich Nietzsche who, whatever else he wrote and whatever else people think of him, predicted governments of the 20th century doing this shit and killing a lot of people in the process. The goal of conservatism in the 21st century ought to be doing away with the idea that government can be used to make people or society better. It is a tool - nothing more, nothing less.

I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that the government can't be used to make people or society better is Neo-conservatism. That's what has lead us to the point where the country is falling apart. If government is a "tool" but you can't use it to make anything better then why have it? Governments can make things better, but they can also make things worse. It is a tool, that can and should be used for good ends, but it is hard to wield.

The 19th and 20th centuries were the worst in human history. I'd argue that it was caused by philosophic autism, that has been generally worked through the hard way i.e. atheist suicide rates, low birth rates, communists killing millions, post-modernists drug addictions etc. If you want to hear my personal philosophic autism go to my autism containment thread.

 

[ghastlyretard]

So it is not a question of whether or not the Government must return him. The court is clear, they must. It’s a question of how

Maybe I'm stupid, but the way I'm reading it says they need to facilitate his removal from El Salvador's custody, not that he needs to come back to the US. And the court wouldn't have the jurisdiction to tell a foreign/sovereign nation what to do with their prisoners. So the SCOTUS is asking what exactly does the district court think should be done - and its likely to be some dumb shit.

 

[BullfrogBill]

I see this all the time and I have to say a few things.
Bill Hicks was better than Carlin, first of all. And second, the landscape that brought Carlin to fame is not anywhere near what we are currently dealing with.
Carlin was the response to his time, where there was a lot of Christian groups ruining fun shit for people like the Woke is today. He may have been 'woke' for the 70's and 80's, but to be 'woke' back then was the counterculture as opposed to today where it flipped around. And it was not nearly the same kind of 'woke', shit changed.
Now, did he unleash a tide of cynical dickhead Reddit types on us for all eternity? Yeah, but that doesn't mean he wasn't funny when he did it.

Couldn't have said it better. I think it's really unfortunate that everything must be politicized to the point that you can't even share a harmless and funny George Carlin stand up bit without a bunch of people sperging out about some fake hypothetical scenario where Carlin is alive today sucking tranny cock as if that fake scenario some sperg invented in his own head means "Umm acktually you shouldn't find George Carlin funny, enjoy mental illness, stalker child."

 

[Hey Johnny Bravo]

I agree with the sentiment, but the idea that the government can't be used to make people or society better is Neo-conservatism. That's what has lead us to the point where the country is falling apart. If government is a "tool" but you can't use it to make anything better then why have it? Governments can make things better, but they can also make things worse. It is a tool, that can and should be used for good ends, but it is hard to wield.

The 19th and 20th centuries were the worst in human history. I'd argue that it was caused by philosophic autism, that has been generally worked through the hard way i.e. atheist suicide rates, low birth rates, communists killing millions, post-modernists drug addictions etc. If you want to hear my personal philosophic autism go to my autism containment thread.

The point isn't to devolve into Machiavellianism, but rather to remind people what government is and isn't. It's not your daddy, it's not a god, it's not going to usher in utopia, and it's not perfect. Communists and anarchists propose circular arguments that what they promise precludes government. Actual fascists want to be told what to do.

America's political system starts from the position that there is a base level of stuff that the government cannot interfere with. The philosophic autism you talk about has not been solved: we still have far-left and far-right retards aggressively misunderstanding the US political system because they want their way, and they want it now.

 

[The Nothingness]

I remember when this motherfucker threatened to withhold federal funding if North Carolina passed a bill that only allowed people born female into women's bathrooms on colleges and universities.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/oba...-white-house-demands-trump/story?id=120824379

Obama blasts Trump administration's 'unlawful' Harvard demands
Trump hinted the university should lose its tax-exempt status on Tuesday.

By Oren Oppenheim
April 15, 2025, 2:31 PM


Former President Barack Obama in a statement praised Harvard University for rejecting President Donald Trump's demands as the university faces a funding freeze for alleged inaction on antisemitism.

"Harvard has set an example for other higher-ed institutions -- rejecting an unlawful and ham-handed attempt to stifle academic freedom, while taking concrete steps to make sure all students at Harvard can benefit from an environment of intellectual inquiry, rigorous debate and mutual respect," Obama posted on X late Monday. "Let's hope other institutions follow suit."

Obama's remark came after Harvard University said on Monday it was refusing to comply with a series of demands from the Trump administration. On Monday evening, the administration's Joint Task Force to Combat Anti-Semitism announced a multibillion-dollar freeze on funding to the university. (Harvard University has said it is committed to fighting antisemitism and to making changes to create a welcoming environment.)

Obama, an alumnus of Harvard Law School, did not address the funding freeze.

In recent remarks at Hamilton College in Clinton, New York, Obama said he was concerned about the White House's moves against universities.

"I don't think what we just witnessed in terms of economic policy and tariffs is going to be good for America, but that's a specific policy. I'm more deeply concerned with a federal government that threatens universities if they don't give up students who are exercising their right to free speech," Obama said, according to a transcript of his remarks.

He had also called on universities not to give into what he framed as intimidation.

"If you are a university, you may have to figure out, are we in fact doing things right? Have we in fact violated our own values, our own code, violated the law in some fashion? If not and you're just being intimidated, well, you should be able to say, that's why we got this big endowment," Obama said, according to the transcript.

"We'll stand up for what we believe in and we'll pay our researchers for a while out of that endowment and we'll give up the extra wing or the fancy gymnasium -- that we can delay that for a couple of years because academic freedom might be a little more important," he added.

Trump, on Tuesday morning, called for Harvard to lose its tax-exempt status after the university said it would not comply with the Trump administration's series of demands.

"Perhaps Harvard should lose its Tax Exempt Status and be Taxed as a Political Entity if it keeps pushing political, ideological, and terrorist inspired/supporting 'Sickness?' Remember, Tax Exempt Status is totally contingent on acting in the PUBLIC INTEREST!" Trump wrote in a post on his social media platform.

Harvard University is exempt from federal income tax because it is an educational institution. It is also exempt from Massachusetts state income tax, according to the university.

Asked during a press briefing on Tuesday how serious Trump is about his call for Harvard to lose its tax-exempt status, White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the president has been "quite clear they must follow federal law."

"He also wants to see Harvard apologize, and Harvard should apologize for the egregious antisemitism that took place on their college campus against Jewish American students," she said while deferring to the IRS for any updates on the tax-exempt status.

Leavitt also claimed the university has not taken the administration's demands seriously in response to a question on the funding freeze.

"All the president is asking don't break federal law, and then you can have your federal funding," she said.

ABC News' Kelsey Walsh, Peter Charalambous, Selina Wang and Arthur Jones II contributed to this report.

 

[Metamorpho]

Did the Donald Trump thread get removed?

 

[Gauf]

Maybe I'm stupid, but the way I'm reading it says they need to facilitate his removal from El Salvador's custody, not that he needs to come back to the US. And the court wouldn't have the jurisdiction to tell a foreign/sovereign nation what to do with their prisoners. So the SCOTUS is asking what exactly does the district court think should be done - and its likely to be some dumb shit.

Yeah I removed that bit from my post because the statement wasn’t as clear as what I said. Where he should be released to is not stated, just that he should be released. The statement does additionally say

“the proper remedy is to provide Abrego Garcia with all the process to which he would have been entitled had he not been unlawfully removed to El Salvador. That means the Government must comply with its obligation to provide Abrego Garcia with “due process of law,” including notice and an opportunity to be heard, in any future proceedings.”

Meaning he must have the opportunity to appear before a US court and be provided US due process. So he may appear before the court while outside the US and the Government would still be compliant with the order.