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Time for ‘shock therapy’ — how to get our 7 million dropout men back to work​

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Nicholas Eberstadt

President Trump wants to get America’s vast army of “dropout” men back into the workforce. Attention to this problem is long overdue.

Nearly 7 million men in the prime of life — over a tenth of the 25-to-54 age group — are neither working nor looking for work these days.

But Team Trump is trying to fix the problem with the wrong tools.

They argue that trade policy (tariffs) and industrial policy (special treatment for manufacturing) will reverse the long-term flight from work by men, by creating high-paying jobs to lure them back to work.

This approach may sound sensible to some. Unfortunately, it is likely to fail — even though the White House could succeed through other pro-work policies.


Once upon a time in America, working-age men without jobs were unemployed laborers.

But that’s ancient history: Today, for every “prime age” man who is actually unemployed — out of a job but looking — there are three who are neither working nor looking for work.

That means the overwhelming majority of jobless men nowadays are NILFs (for “not in labor force”). And unemployed men differ fundamentally in both mindset and behavior from NILF men.

The former consider themselves part of the labor force; the latter do not.

The former generally respond to labor market incentives; the latter generally do not.

Thus, while unemployed men tend to be out of work for just a few weeks, NILF men tend to be long-termers — often lifers.

Furthermore, only a tiny minority of NILF men say they are jobless because they could not find work. Even during recessions, most give other reasons.

Incentivizing helplessness

Millions of NILF men live work-free existences financed by an array of disability programs and their associated “poverty” benefits.

This disability archipelago incentivizes helplessness, and at a terrible cost in human potential.

America’s disability system is so dysfunctional that no one in DC can tell you just how many people are currently getting benefits from its crazy-quilt of subcomponents (SSDI, SSI, Social Security, veterans’ benefits, state-level disability programs, worker’s comp programs — and more).

Before the pandemic, however, I estimated that over half of America’s prime-age NILF men were getting benefits from one or more of these programs — and that over two-thirds lived in homes taking in at least one disability benefit.

‘Disability’ programs

That would have been over 3 million direct recipients and over 4 million indirect beneficiaries, of roughly 7 million NILF men ages 25 to 54.

The Social Security Administration’s disability programs, SSDI and SSI, are the one part of the greater disability archipelago we know the most about. According to their numbers, working-age beneficiaries on the disability rolls grew sevenfold from 1965 to 2023.

Most of that explosion in claims was for afflictions of “nervous sense and organs” or “musculoskeletal system and connective tissue” — medical gray zones. Doctors can determine whether a patient has whooping cough or a broken leg, but there is no conclusive test for sad feelings or back pain.

It is a critical error to treat the NILF problem as an unemployment question. It will not be solved by more jobs or better workplace opportunities, the way unemployment would.

Six decades of rising dropout rates for prime-age American men attests to this.

Unlike the unemployment rate, which follows the business cycle, the prime male NILF rate has risen with eerie regularity through boom and bust alike for decades — almost wholly unaffected by national economic conditions.

Remember 2022? After the COVID pandemic, America was in the midst of an unprecedented peacetime labor shortage.

Yet with nearly 12 million positions open, and employers almost begging for applicants, NILF rates for prime-age men barely budged.

Millions of those unfilled jobs during the “Great Resignation” did not require high school diplomas, only the “skills” of showing up at work, on time and sober.

But the NILF men did not come — even though close to half had at least some college.

Consider, too: Back in 2022, about 800,000 of those unfilled slots were in manufacturing.

If idle dropout men did not flock to available factory jobs then, why should we expect them to be lured to future factories built under tariff threats?

The miracle of the market does not cure social pathologies. All too many male workforce dropouts are detached (from society), dependent (on government benefits and pain meds), and defeated.

These men will not be tempted to rejoin the workforce by good paychecks alone.

We need other approaches.

Try ‘shock therapy’

Instead of continuing to pin hopes on obviously ineffective labor market “pull,” how about instead trying “shock therapy push”?

Back in the 1990s, a “welfare reform” worthy of the name brought millions of single mothers back into the workforce, a win-win for their families and for society.

Why not try the same now for our NILF men?

A disability system overhaul that protects the truly needy while promoting a work-first principle might do wonders for America — not least for a great many dispirited men on the couch.

Washington manifestly lacks the will to reform a long-broken disability system.

So why not let Elon Musk try to DOGE it?

Maybe with VP JD Vance’s help: The author of “Hillbilly Elegy” probably knows about the unintended damage of disability programs better than anyone else in politics these days.

Reclaiming our dropout men will require other measures, too. But fixing disability will be a big step in the right direction.

Nicholas Eberstadt of the American Enterprise Institute is author of “Men Without Work: America’s Invisible Crisis.”
 
I'm lucky to be pretty comfortable in a decent job, but if I wasn't, I'd absolutely be leeching as much off the gov as I possibly could.

This country has spent DECADES telling young men that they are worthless and better off dead, then the stupid fucking Boomer that wrote that article is retarded enough to wonder why they dropped out of the system altogether.

It's the same thing with the modern dating scene, and the two problems are closely related.
 
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The problem with this is that 'reforming' the system of disability benefits to 'make it work' and 'help people' is almost always bullshitspeak for 'cut the benefit to as many people as we can by whatever means necessary, and fuck you if you can't live on fresh air'.

Where are these 7 million jobs coming from? Making iphones, mining coal? Come on now.
 
Republicans are obsessed with this idea that are hundreds of millions of able bodied white men in their 20s collecting welfare but there are no statistics supporting any such assertion.
its their unconsious bias playing out, they see "80 million americans on welfare" and they don't consider non-whites as people, or to exist whatsoever so they assume its all whites sitting at home in their parents basements collecting welfare.

I literally had aunts who assumed a white guy was doing a drive by in compton and just sperged out once i showed her the mugshot. These people were raised in some 99% white area where the only criminals were some local family of poor people and they assume its the same for the entire planet. If you asked them what percentage of the world population is white they'd say 90% and not even think otherwise. their delusions are as impossible for them to get rid of as trannies delusions of them being women trapped in the bodies of men,

boomers especially are so fucking ignorant of demographics its absurd. They literally assume NYC is as white as it is on the tv show Friends. They also usually feel minorities are oppressed and rare.

the few times they do interact with a minority they assume they're just like the ones they see on tv, meaning plenty of black people who they think are rappers or know obama, or mexicans that are all about their spices and child molesting or asians knowing kung fu and making shit in factories

i've known plenty of older people who were 50 before they had a conversation with a black person and they were shocked that blacks could act so ghetto and be so rude and obnoxious and it not be a joke. They weren't doing some practical joke and were going to switch to acting like carlton Banks, but were actually that mean.
 
Back in the 1990s, a “welfare reform” worthy of the name brought millions of single mothers back into the workforce, a win-win for their families and for society.

Why not try the same now for our NILF men?

A disability system overhaul that protects the truly needy while promoting a work-first principle might do wonders for America — not least for a great many dispirited men on the couch.
Its impressive how dumb fucks say shit like this, and not see the connection. Where do you think these men got the idea being a bum was a good idea? Their mothers, that's who. Their fathers weren't around, and their mothers sure as shit weren't working a full time job because you were paying them not to. If you incentivize dependency, and sloth, you will get both.

Also, what the fuck is he talking about here? He says 1990s, but then links to an article about a program introduced this year!
 
UK Government is axing Universal basic Income (UBI) and clamping down on benefits claimants who have more than £6k in their bank accounts and £16k in savings.

Whilst I agree that the workshy need a kick in the bollocks, I am aware that some people can't work or will need help to get them to work.

A near neighbour of mine will not work - used to work on a Farm, was laid off, mass depression and rage tears and won't even try to fit in to society. Sad but also he is a perma-victim, cries daily because his Mum (his bestie) died and 'I want her back, it's not fair, waah!' Tried to help him out but he doesn't want to know - he'll go postal if made to work (he can go rage mad... and he's a fat ginger).
 
The only "shock therapy" America needs:
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How can mothers in the workforce be considered a “win”? Maybe for the state, certainly not for the children. Yeah I’d prefer that my money not be spent on gibs for Shaniqua who popped out 7 kids with 6 babydaddies, but the idea of the state raising (indoctrinating) children is horrifying.
It’s been a disaster for families and society and a big win for the state who almost doubled their tax base. A win for mortgage providers who now could base house prices on the amount two working people can afford per month, rather than one.
Children shoved in daycare at weeks old is devastating for their development. Babies should be with their mothers for the early years, and breaking that attachment has lead to serious mental health issues IMO.
 
disability archipelago
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I got a really good pay rise during covid when loads of people got fired or quit rather than take the shots and those of us left (I didn’t take it either but I wasn’t going to quit) could have a bit more leverage. I thought it’d help us save a bit more.
It’s all being eaten up by inflation and how fucking expensive everything is.
So how are you going to get these workers back in the workforce? Good wages? Secure and meaningful work? Ability to buy a house?
Of course not. What’s going to happen is the benefits being cut.
>Shit on the people most capable of doing good work
>Elevate people who are not just less capable, but who openly antagonize the first group
:ratface: What a great idea!
 
Millions of those unfilled jobs during the “Great Resignation” did not require high school diplomas, only the “skills” of showing up at work, on time and sober.
How many of these jobs were just posted without an expectation to hire an American? You won't fix employment when men apply to several jobs are week that were never expected to receive a call back
Instead of continuing to pin hopes on obviously ineffective labor market “pull,” how about instead trying “shock therapy push”?
Make it so that people without work, not actually in disability, and not retired have to work. Nobody wants to work a job knowing some "teen" is living off of welfare along with his whole household. Ensure that when people work they are living a substationally better life than an unemployed "teen." If you're working making 55k/year then someone on the dole is living a comparable life to yours interms of finances.
 
Cut any and all immigration programs.

Deport those here on work visas after cancelling them.

Then tell anyone bitching about a labor shortage that labor shortages are how the cost of living adjusts naturally and that to continue endlessly importing people to keep wages artificially low is to make a revolution/societal collapse inevitable thus the money 'saved' by fighting against market forces will all have been for naught in an empire of ashes and niggers.

Before shooting anyone who disagrees out of a cannon into the Pacific. As well as anyone who uses the term 'NILF' unironically.
 
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The issue with most of the comments is the assumption that those people are smart people that grew tired of society and are capable of thinking ahead, rather than dumb leeches that managed to get a hold of the tit of the government and aren't letting go.
It doesn't take an intellectual to stop performing tricks if the reward is either wholly absent or so paltry that it's not worth the effort. Literal animals don't take very long to stop performing a task if there's nothing in it for them.
 
It doesn't take an intellectual to stop performing tricks if the reward is either wholly absent or so paltry that it's not worth the effort. Literal animals don't take very long to stop performing a task if there's nothing in it for them.
People don't work for the reward, they work because the risk of what will happen if they don't work and the money runs out. Most people who try to do the "no work" will quickly find themselves shitting under the an overpass. Few are lucky/connected enough to win the government gibs lottery.
 
People don't work for the reward, they work because the risk of what will happen if they don't work and the money runs out.

Politely, not exactly. I wouldn't work retail for reward, I'd do it to pay bills, as you say.

I'd be a doctor for the reward of being a goddamn doctor (assuming I could handle residency without blowing my heart out with energy drinks, god damn son). I'd be a lawyer for the reward of being paid to argue at full autism. I'd be an engineer for the reward of fucking building shit. And yes they all pay well.

I'd start my own business for the reward of owning my shit in a final sense. I'd make art for the reward of creation. I shitpost for free for the reward of shitposting.
 
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