Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[No. 7 cat]

With and without the United States, Ukraine is fucked cause the Euro govts are hellbent on not doing any fighting and dying for Ukraine. As they still expect Americans to do all of the fighting and dying for them.

The aid certainly suffices for now. The Danish model of cash means UA can ramp up Bohdana 2S22 howitzers to close to 40 and mfg hundreds of thousands of world beating drones. European govts can encourage male Ukrainian refugees to return and enlist. Perhaps give a little donative. Sending Polish or French forces could happen as any ceasefire WILL fail, but that's later.

Brace yourselves for /chug/ster rapefugee 2025 join dates.
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Whiter than most ziggers who are generally poo worshipping pajeets.

 

[Pocket Dragoon]

This was an interesting listen:

 

[National Defense Advocate]

Brace yourselves for /chug/ster rapefugee 2025 join dates.
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/Chug/ was, and I'm not joking, populated mostly by Chinese and Russian prisoners employed to shill.
There will be no chug refugees because chug wasn't organic.

 

[Zhydobanderovets]

/Chug/ was, and I'm not joking, populated mostly by Chinese and Russian prisoners employed to shill.
There will be no chug refugees because chug wasn't organic.

I believe it when I (don't) see it

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Spoiler: The White House reiterated that the United States will not engage in economic agreements with Russia until Russia agrees to a ceasefire, amid continued Russian efforts to deflect blame onto Ukraine for the Kremlin's rejection of such a ceasefire.

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Spoiler: Russia is reportedly heavily dependent on North Korean artillery ammunition as North Korea continues to learn lessons from Russia's war against Ukraine.

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Source: Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 16, 2025 | Institute for the Study of War.

 

[Niggardly Man]

/Chug/ was, and I'm not joking, populated mostly by Chinese and Russian prisoners employed to shill.
There will be no chug refugees because chug wasn't organic.

Dont you guys have your own version of /chug/ right next door?

 

[HidekiVonMetternich4real]

I believe it when I (don't) see it

Brace yourselves for /chug/ster rapefugee 2025 join dates.
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Can someone explain what /chug/ is

 

[So It Goes]

Can someone explain what /chug/ is

/chug/ is (was) the "Comfy Happening in Ukraine General" on /pol/, it probably exists on other altchans as well but I've only ever seen the 4chan one. Basically a collection of pro-Russia bootlicks who spend all day posting Russian propaganda, loli porn and jerking each other off. They're also known to have a Discord group that's degenerate as fuck but they will scream you down in denial if you ever bring it up.

 

[Melmac_Knight]

hey, what telegram channels about ukraine and russia you guys recommend to follow?

I get all my news of warcrimes committed in Ukraine from iFunny.com

 

[Seethan Ralph]

At this point just seize all russian international assets, funds and transfer all of these to whatever the fuck isn't russia or their trans-sisters/tard wranglers. Be it ukrops, NATO border states, South Korea, Taiwan, anything.

 

[Foltest]

/chug/ is (was) the "Comfy Happening in Ukraine General" on /pol/, it probably exists on other altchans as well but I've only ever seen the 4chan one. Basically a collection of pro-Russia bootlicks who spend all day posting Russian propaganda, loli porn and jerking each other off. They're also known to have a Discord group that's degenerate as fuck but they will scream you down in denial if you ever bring it up.

/chug/chums.
I know there was a pro ukranian general as well on /pol/ but I can't for the life of me remember the name.

 

[Near]

Are they in Warsaw yet

 

[East_Clintwood]

/chug/chums.
I know there was a pro ukranian general as well on /pol/ but I can't for the life of me remember the name.

/uhg/ - Ukraine Happening General

Are they in Warsaw yet

No, but only because they're deliberately holding back. Once the gloves come off....

 

[Ghostse]

Dont you guys have your own version of /chug/ right next door?

We do, but much like the Imperial Soviets they worship Vatniggers they can't help but invade other, nicer areas and shit them up.

Source: Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, April 16, 2025 | Institute for the Study of War.

That's at least good news.

Russian authorities also appear to be intensifying their recruitment efforts, suggesting that the Kremlin intends to sustain its current force generation efforts for some time, peace talks notwithstanding.

Now tbcf the US was still running the WWII draft until the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed and I think (due to much higher information lag) was technically processing draftees until some time after.
But the given that firstly they are intensifying not just sustaining recruitment, and its Putin, I'm pretty sure this is just more confirmation of what we all already know: Any mumblings about peace is fake and gay.

re: The Russia getting half its ammo from NK, that needs a massive asterisk.

Reuters reported that an unspecified Russian unit fighting in Zaporizhia Oblast reported that nearly 50 percent of its 152mm D-20 howitzer rounds and 100 percent of its 122mm rockets fired came from North Korea.

In addition to Anonymous sources Unit, they are 50% of the 152 moon soviet moon rounds and all their 122mm.
The 152mm is a cold-war soviet off-caliber round used cheifly in an ancient soviet towed artillery piece, so it makes sense they are having to get them from the Norks and their cold war arsenal instead of trying to make their own moonrounds.
The 122mm rockets makes sense it'll all be Nork supply since those have a shelf life and Russia would want to deplete what they can get from the Norks before moving on to new production. And its not like Russian ammo is any better

VideoOfRussiansSledgeHammering122mmRocketIntoGrad.avi

also:

Reuters and the OSC reported that four Russian-flagged ships — the Angara, Maria, Maia-1, and Lady R cargo ships — transported the ammunition from North Korea's port of Rajin to the Russian ports of Vostochny and Dunai.

Ukrainian USV drone base in the pacific when?

At this point just seize all russian international assets, funds and transfer all of these to whatever the fuck isn't russia or their trans-sisters/tard wranglers. Be it ukrops, NATO border states, South Korea, Taiwan, anything.

Now, we all agree with the general sentiment, however I'm going to shit on this righteous indignation with reality:

First is that despite reality, Russia and Ukraine are not officially at war. Welcome to the gay modern clownworld where armies have invaded, mercenary forces are deployed, cities are seized, mass graves filled, millions hundreds of thousands have died, but no one is actually at war.
Thus being that everyone is good friends and at peace, you can't seize or expel foreign assets under claim of either Neutrality or Support just because you believe these two countries bombing each other are at war (because they are very clearly not since there is no official declaration). If you unilaterally decide such things, you set an uncomfortable precedent: you could at any moment decide that because Spain hasn't fully settled on a Final Solution to the Catalan Question that Spain is in a Civil War and thus you can take their assets and transfer them to the Basque separatist movements in aid of the brave, lisping queers of Catalan. So other countries are going to be less likely to want you to handle their assets.
So when you do things like the Euros have done, which is fairly mild i.e. impounding assets and redirecting interest, it still erodes a lot of international order.

tl;dr:
Make conflict war again

 

[Oxyjen]

Ah, so the “Trump just wants Europe to step up” cope was all cope, and Trump does indeed just want to allow Putin to win.
Not glad to be proven correct yet again.

 

[Brain Problems]

Now, we all agree with the general sentiment, however I'm going to shit on this righteous indignation with reality:

First is that despite reality, Russia and Ukraine are not officially at war. Welcome to the gay modern clownworld where armies have invaded, mercenary forces are deployed, cities are seized, mass graves filled, millions hundreds of thousands have died, but no one is actually at war.
Thus being that everyone is good friends and at peace, you can't seize or expel foreign assets under claim of either Neutrality or Support just because you believe these two countries bombing each other are at war (because they are very clearly not since there is no official declaration). If you unilaterally decide such things, you set an uncomfortable precedent: you could at any moment decide that because Spain hasn't fully settled on a Final Solution to the Catalan Question that Spain is in a Civil War and thus you can take their assets and transfer them to the Basque separatist movements in aid of the brave, lisping queers of Catalan. So other countries are going to be less likely to want you to handle their assets.
So when you do things like the Euros have done, which is fairly mild i.e. impounding assets and redirecting interest, it still erodes a lot of international order.

Counterpoint: international order is a privilege for countries that aren't filled with slanty-eyed boxtoxed mongol rape horde offspring who get big sads that their fake gay empire crumbled 30 years ago. Play in the sandbox like a big kid without randomly beating up other less-retarded kids or else you don't get to play in the sandbox. Much like a shrieking harridan of a Russian mail-order bride I'm starting to think the only way to get them to knock it off is to bust her lip open because sadly it's the only language they understand.

Same goes for Chinks, Sandniggers, Jeets, and whoever else feels like pulling a fast one while the rest of the civilized world at least pretends to queue up in an orderly fashion to conduct business on the global stage.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Ah, so the “Trump just wants Europe to step up” cope was all cope, and Trump does indeed just want to allow Putin to win.
Not glad to be proven correct yet again.

The economist article he's using as reference is incredibly light on detail regarding this claim. It's a single line, doesn't even attempt to cite sources. Not even "people familiar with the matter". I can't even find the FT article he also mentions as a source. I don't think it exists.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Cooperation between the United Nations and the Council of Europe : resolution / adopted by the General Assembly

Voting Summary
Yes: 105 | No: 9 | Abstentions: 33 | Non-Voting: 46 | Total voting membership: 193
Vote date
2025-04-16

Draft resolution A/79/L.75:

Recognizing also that the unprecedented challenges now facing Europe
following the aggression by the Russian Federation against Ukraine and against
Georgia prior to that and the cessation of the membership of the Russian Federation
in the Council of Europe call for strengthened cooperation between the United
Nations and the Council of Europe, notably in order to promptly restore and maintain
peace and security based on respect of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and
political independence of any State, ensure the observance of human rights and
international humanitarian law during the hostilities, provide redress to victims and
bring to justice all those responsible for the violations of international law,
acknowledging in that connection the establishment by the Council of Europe of the
Register of Damage Caused by the Aggression of the Russian Federation against
Ukraine, whose statute refers to General Assembly resolution ES-11/5 of
14 November 2022, entitled “Furtherance of remedy and reparation for aggression
against Ukraine”, which is intended to constitute the first component of a future
international comprehensive compensation mechanism, and acknowledging also the
contribution of the Council of Europe to the work of the core group towards the
establishment of a special tribunal for the crime of aggression against Ukraine, and
its willingness to examine possible options to provide expert and technical support
for the establishment and, as appropriate, operation of such a special tribunal,

Remarks at the GA 64th Plenary Meeting on Item 125 (l): Draft resolution (A/79/L.75) on the Cooperation between the UN and the Council of Europe - United States Mission to the United Nations:

The current resolution repeats statements as to the Russia-Ukraine war that the United States considers unhelpful in advancing the cause of peace.

Lastly, this text makes frequent references to upholding democracy and democratic principles. It is important to not only talk about democratic values, but also to live by them. Some Member States supporting this text have suppressed political parties with whom they disagree at home. These ideological differences should be decided at the ballot box, and not in the court room.

Exclusion of people from the political process is particularly concerning given the aggressive and corrupt ‘lawfare’ waged against President Trump in the United States.

US currently simping for AfD and other Zigzog "far-right" Euro parties so hard that they on the same side as Russia and North Korea; even China and Iran abstained.

 

[NKVD qt]

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Ah, so the “Trump just wants Europe to step up” cope was all cope, and Trump does indeed just want to allow Putin to win.
Not glad to be proven correct yet again.

Man this is incredibly lame and retarded. The most charitable interpretation is he believes cutting all support will make them sign an unfavorable deal but end the war. Realistically I think he just wants the good press of the war ending and better relations with Russia, no matter how hard he fucks a loyal ally.

 

[No. 7 cat]

Spoiler: Zelenskyy says over 40% of weapons used on battlefield are made in Ukraine - Ukrainska Pravda

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has stated that more than 40% of the weapons used on the front line are manufactured in Ukraine.

Source: Zelenskyy on X (Twitter)

Details: Zelenskyy honoured defence industry workers on the occasion of the Day of the Defence Industrial Base Employee in Ukraine on 16 April.

Quote: "Today, I honoured workers in our defence industrial base with awards. More than 40% of all the weapons used on the front lines to defend Ukraine are made in Ukraine.

And the trend is clear: Ukraine will keep ramping up production to ensure its own security – both independently and in cooperation with partners. I’m grateful to everyone working in our defence industry for your dedication.

Ukraine will always need its own powerful weapons to secure a strong Ukrainian state. Ukraine will always need its own technological edge to make it clear to Russia that we will respond to every attack."

archive - Ukrainska Pravda / original link

While a mineral deal is still apparently in the offing Trump somehow needs to discard advisors prone to zigger narratives that millions of Ukrainian solders have died, that Ukraine is collapsing and desperate. If the US keeps pushing a bad deal which envisages trading swaths of land for a dubious ceasefire, then that ceasefire will be rejected.

Spoiler: Zelensky says China provides Russia with weapons

China is supplying weapons to Russia, President Volodymyr Zelensky said on April 17, days after Ukrainian soldiers captured Chinese nationals fighting for Russia's army.

"Today, we have general information from the Security Service (of Ukraine), from intelligence about gunpowder, artillery," Zelensky said during a briefing in Kyiv.

"I think we will be able to say in detail next week that we believe that Chinese representatives are engaged in the production of some weapons on the territory of Russia," he added.

Zelensky's statement marks Kyiv's first confirmation that Beijing supports Russia's war effort by providing weapons. Iran and North Korea are two other allies of Moscow that supply Russia with arms.

Multiple reports have previously suggested that China sends weapons to Russia amid Moscow's all-out war against Ukraine, but Beijing denied this. In the summer of 2024, Zelensky said that China confirmed it wouldn't provide Russia with arms.

Beijing has officially positioned itself as neutral toward Russia's war against Ukraine but has simultaneously deepened economic ties with Moscow and backed Russia against Western sanctions. China has also shaped up to be Russia's leading source of dual-use goods that feed the Russian defense industry.

Earlier this month, two Chinese citizens were captured by Ukrainian soldiers while fighting in the Russian army ranks against Ukraine in Donetsk Oblast. Later, Zelensky said that at least "several hundred" Chinese nationals are fighting on Russia's side in Ukraine.

One of the captured soldiers claimed he had paid 300,000 rubles (roughly $3,500) to a middleman in China to join the Russian military in exchange for the promise of citizenship, the press service of a Ukrainian military unit told the online newspaper Ukrainska Pravda earlier in the day.

Beijing has denied any direct involvement in the war and said it has appealed to its citizens to stay away from armed conflicts.

Kyiv Independent - archive / original link

That honestly sounds plausible. While Red China mightn't be so keep on its citizens taking $3,500 to join the Russian meatwave, ensuring that little putin has enough weapons for his terrorist war is of a piece with its hybrid war efforts through degenerate propaganda (ie TikTok that Trump hated and then loved).

️Ukraine and the USA have signed a memorandum on a minerals agreement, said Minister of Economy Yuliia Svyrydenko.

“We are preparing to establish an Investment Fund for the reconstruction of Ukraine. The corresponding agreement will open up opportunities for significant investments, infrastructure modernization, and mutually beneficial partnership between Ukraine and the United States — this is exactly the goal our teams are working toward with this document.”

Just to clarify – this isn’t a final deal, but a declaration of intent.

Ukraine and the U.S. have expressed intent to cooperate, but the memorandum is non-binding and will require further negotiations, official signing, and parliamentary approval before becoming a formal agreement.

That said, it’s a meaningful move. This kind of agreement was originally planned during Zelensky’s visit to Trump, and we all know how that turned out. So, consider this an important first step on the path to deeper cooperation.

St Javelin on Instagram

It really isn't clear that the US is intent on providing any meaningful help, refusing to Patriot missile batteries that Ukraine would purchase, and which help ensure that the recent atrocities against civilians could've been averted, but it probably serves as a means to ensure that Trump does not become out and out hostile.

The height of russian cynicism: in the ruins of Bakhmut, the russians have put up posters to celebrate the “victory day” on May 9.The occupiers hung banners on the few remaining billboards.This is what russian “liberation” looks like.

Roman Sheremata on Twitter, Rector American University Kyiv

Rule by Russia is a rule of failure and death. Even in their less ruinous cities within Russia's borders, alcoholism and suicide are a rule of life.