Pitch: Women's Only App Enforced by 3rd Party ID Verification

[Susanna]

I believe the most relevant question is if they include the sex when they verify passport's and include it in the issued token. Like my country gives you a a certain number in your social security no. to indicate your biological sex.

I was about to say they could just require photo ID and go by the picture, but it’s unlikely null could stipulate they only assign women to verify for this site, and men are awful at spotting troons.

 

[Fapcop]

I was about to say they could just require photo ID and go by the picture, but it’s unlikely null could stipulate they only assign women to verify for this site, and men are awful at spotting troons.

EXCUSE ME?!!

I’m probably one of the best troon recognizers in Europe! Nobody sneaks past vagina detective Fapcop!

Goes for pooners too!

Also: For Null and whoever is developing this app, I just wanted to point out that in a number of European countries, your personal ID number (social security for burgers) is tied to your sex. So for example, the last digit is always an even number for women and an odd number for men or vice versa.

A number of these countries also have personal ID verification plugins for apps and websites.

If someone in one of those countries wants to join TERFChat or whatever it’s called, they need to enter their personal ID number which is verified with the national authority.

It’s normal to use if you for example want to set up a subscription or use a delivery app.

Just wanted to put it out there. It’s not a global solution though.

Like my country gives you a a certain number in your social security no. to indicate your biological sex.

Yes, this.

 

[Corydoras]

Honestly I’m so community-starved that I’d roger up with an ID (if I had confidence that verification would be handled discreetly). I doubt the returns of this project would justify the legal expenses but you’re a real one for even floating this idea.

 

[Ruined by the Rain]

It will never work. I have never seen a female only group that isn't locked up like a penitentiary work. It's only months or days away from members seeing men everywhere, accusing each other of being men, and this whole thing go down in flame.

 

[Näkki]

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Null, posting in the women section's off-topic board: Women, what do you think?
Men: There is no potential benefit or market for a women's only space. You are being hysterical.

this is why it's hard to keep a site like this quality. we have a forum where nobody fucking reads.

Men's concentration, reading comprehension and dopamine receptors are so fucked they can't read a 24 page thread to see if the stupid shit that just has to leave their brain— else it might combust?— has been posted before by other stupid shits. I swear to whatever gods that listen we're so fucked going into whatever future there is. Lewis's law anyone?



Well, anyway. This might have to be a PM thread.

 

[Halo]

As much as I'd love an exclusive space for le edgy women online, I don't know how realistic verification will be.

Having helped mod for a handful of female-only Discord servers, we would often receive applications that were from trannies/men- some would use stolen IDs or use a female friend as a Trojan horse in attempts to get in. Other tactics commonly used were AI voice changers and of course photoshop. In short, you can expect the same amount or even more high-effort applications from men trying to bypass the restrictions to this new app.

Building on what other posters have said, an invite-only system, like the one used by Ovarit, could eliminate both the safety concerns and verification hassle for the most part. Users with invitation permissions should meet specific criteria before being granted access though.

Hope to see this revisited in the near future.

 

[FUCK]

Unsure if anyone proposed it yet, but having an interview-style video chat could be an alternative to ID. (There would have to be certain measures ensuring that filters can’t be applied to the video… Even if filters aren’t too convincing now, developing technologies need to be taken into account, I guess.) IMO, it becomes really obvious who’s not a woman or not after a video conference and a fair few questions. There would need to be a whole review team for something like this to work, though, as the number of people who want to register could be, uh… A Whole Lot!

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

oh great so more companies can prey on women. is this what you wanted nool?

 

[Hubelublub]

TheLcommunity.com is similar, though it's only for lezzers. It's a social networking website, there's also a mobile app, plans for in-person meetups, has strict women only policies and requires sex verification to join.

How is it going, you ask? New registrations for their mobile app are on hold due to 'AI biases'.
They've just today had to shut down the dating section of their website, as it's been infiltrated by men, possibly with the assistance of some incredibly retarded women.


@Null It's a fantastic idea, but fuck if you wouldn't have an uphill battle on your hands. Trannies are stubborn and will not give up trying to invade women's spaces.

 

[MightyMorphin'Willbender]

In regards to the legal side, I do wonder if making this verification completely on the users part would fall into some sort of Section 230.

i.e. like a captcha, but you have to provide an impromptu 180o view of your face and try to clock said 180o videos at random posting intervals
annoying? yes, but maybe as you get good results at it you get prompted less often

the id part would be just to ensure they don't come back once banned

 

[Perun]

Unsure if anyone proposed it yet, but having an interview-style video chat could be an alternative to ID. (There would have to be certain measures ensuring that filters can’t be applied to the video… Even if filters aren’t too convincing now, developing technologies need to be taken into account, I guess.) IMO, it becomes really obvious who’s not a woman or not after a video conference and a fair few questions. There would need to be a whole review team for something like this to work, though, as the number of people who want to register could be, uh… A Whole Lot!

small scale but voice verification and some women specific questions worked for a radfem server I was in, if the questions change/are unknown to applicants then males can't prepare an answer beforehand

 

[Fishcat]

Late and have always been a lurker so apologies for my newfag account, but as someone who's long wanted a decent women's space online, I'm curious to ask about what the overall culture for a platform like this is envisioned to be. Everyone is focused on the verification aspect but assuming that works, I'm concerned about what using the platform would actually be like.

What is the intended audience for this beyond just "real women"? Is this supposed to be a free for all shitposting zone or a more serious and respectable discussion group? I.e., is it going to consist of only female autists ironically joking and venting or could a relatively normie woman who's casually uncomfortable with freaks online post genuinely from the heart without getting dunked on? Are users allowed to infight, sperg out, or behave deviantly so long as they're true and honest women, or is that behavior frowned upon with civility and harmony as a goal? I know the answer is that the users would form the culture themselves but I'm asking about what the target vision here is.

The problem is that most platforms and communities are unwilling to take a hardline stance, and the ones who are explicitly female-centric tend to be too fringe and insane to be decent as a general purpose women's group, especially for a more serious topic such as women's health conditions. Ovarit is specifically centered around trans and radfem related discussion and any mundane everyday or personal topics are dead on arrival because the platform is inherently politically charged—you can't have a decent discussion on your hobbies or ask for advice or whatever unless it's somehow related to the site's ideology. LCF, while formally dedicated to gossip, does have robust activity on their off-topic boards. However, it also attracts unhinged people who infight over the smallest nonsense and various threads make it clear that the userbase consists largely of very maladjusted and unstable women, making it annoying to use for those who aren't interested in baiting or falling for bait (it's well-known that men often post there, but this doesn't negate that point). I haven't touched CC in a long time since it was constantly being encumbered by gore/cp raids and like many others, I got mysteriously banned without explanation for presumably being accused of being male. There are various niche female communities which are generally left alone by men due to small size and alienating subject matters (e.g., fujo or kpop spergery) but once again they serve a very narrow audience and topic.

Unfortunately the truth is that even women who are completely against having men/identity pandering/etc. in their hobby/interest/support group are going to find far more practical use in just sucking it up and ignoring the occasional annoying maleposter or politics shiller in an active popular group that allows them (e.g., most subreddits) than they would find in a 100% pure female group that's low activity or full of extremist women who ONLY talk about hating men/etc. and won't hold a normal conversation. There is a difference in wanting a group that's woman-centered and properly gatekept against men vs. wanting a group for nonstop ranting about your manifesto on how much you hate men. Simply achieving a zero-male space for the sake of the concept isn't worth it imo unless the platform is actually more useful than existing platforms. I mean, if you rounded up numerous female cows and put them in their own platform, it'd be entertaining and it would be male-free, but it doesn't improve the issue of women not having usable spaces to discuss normal topics with each other in peace, it just serves in being provacative. That's why I'm concerned about what the platform will be like after the issue of verification and infiltration; if it ends up being unhinged or inactive or a zealous misandrist containment zone it will not have actually helped the root issue even if it accomplishes the no men goal.

I love imageboard formats but if the platform is considering an imageboard-esque style, I think we all know what type of people imageboards tend to attract. If the target audience is going to be kept to "the type of woman who'd be on an imageboard" (i.e., autistic, overly online, likely NEET or NEET-like tendencies), what would encourage the platform to be high effort, active, and useful for everyday topics rather than just LCF 2.0: Now With Less Scrotefoiling? If the target audience is going to be expanded to more normie-leaning women who just find male inclusion in women's spaces to be distasteful, how will they be reached, especially with the alienating foundation of being associated with KF?

I'm in support of the idea and would even tentatively be willing to go for verification but I'd like to see it fleshed out more beyond "app for women". Mainly my dream is to have a place where women can be free of the uber-progressive ultra pro inclusion mentality that you see in a lot of online women's spaces without veering into paranoid infighting and inutile sperging in exchange.

 

[Ozul]

I hope this is a project still in the works, but I wouldn't want my govn'ment ID floating around while tied to what will inevitably be labeled as "The TERF app" by trannys and handmaidens. Also Idk how you would prevent fake verification from seeping through, men borrowing their mom's driver's license or ssn etc.

 

[Banditotron]

Also Idk how you would prevent fake verification from seeping through, men borrowing their mom's driver's license or ssn etc.

Hi, moid giving his unsolicited input here because this is a very good point.
I am on kiwifarms because I am an unbelievably nosy freak and if there are people gossiping I will find out how to worm my way in and read all about it. If you told me there was a fort knoxx of delicious gossip and the only thing keeping me out was the expectation that for some reason this is the *one time* I'm supposed to be honest about my identity on the internet and respect the privacy of people in a public forum, I would want in.
And what you said just now was my first thought, kind of. More likely I'd just ask my dear old mom to sign up for it and share the login info with me so we can enjoy the drama together. She and I already browse the farms together every once in a while.
Now, how do you solve the problem of moids like me wanting in so badly? Well, here's the setup. Make whatever sort of forum this would be be something that a small portion of can still be viewed without verification, but interaction and more boards are locked behind verification. It'd kill the interest for most any male who wants in, be they troons, retards who want to argue, or even just particularly nosy men like me.

 

[Farmer9876]

Nice idea, but 3rd party ID processor will likely just drop this app, because troons will spam it with complains. Also Josh is lazy and will not code it .

 

[monk]

Nice idea, but 3rd party ID processor will likely just drop this app, because troons will spam it with complains. Also Josh is lazy and will not code it .

I'm pretty sure the governments have some sort of open API you can connect to directly. Maybe it's even a central EU API that works for all EU countries, I'm not sure.

 

[Ukraine is Big Gay]

Horrible idea. This would be associated with kiwifarms as a far right nazi incel doxxing website or whatever and then someone would hack it, leak the IDs, and publish the identity of everyone on there forever, potentially barring them from employment in the future.

Whoever rated you dumb better start apologizing.

 

[Stan]

Well this aged poorly innit just Tea app, the one that just got a huge leak on its verified legacy user info

 

[Vitrealis]

Unsure if anyone proposed it yet, but having an interview-style video chat could be an alternative to ID. (There would have to be certain measures ensuring that filters can’t be applied to the video… Even if filters aren’t too convincing now, developing technologies need to be taken into account, I guess.) IMO, it becomes really obvious who’s not a woman or not after a video conference and a fair few questions. There would need to be a whole review team for something like this to work, though, as the number of people who want to register could be, uh… A Whole Lot!

In regards to the legal side, I do wonder if making this verification completely on the users part would fall into some sort of Section 230.

i.e. like a captcha, but you have to provide an impromptu 180o view of your face and try to clock said 180o videos at random posting intervals
annoying? yes, but maybe as you get good results at it you get prompted less often

the id part would be just to ensure they don't come back once banned

I'd never touch a service that requires data I'm not even willing to send my closest friends & family. These suggestions also feel very intrusively dystopic, and you'd basically have to trust not only in the integrity of Null, but also in the security of the system, which could be compromised at some point. In my opinion, the more you can do offline, and the least information you can share about yourself online, the better.

I think it's a fantastic idea, but I don't see how it could ever be viable without severely compromising on your privacy and anonymity. Online anonymity is sacred to me.

 

[EllenDrawsRapeOfHerHaters]

I was always worried about a data leak. My personal data has been leaked many times because some website I had to use for work or banking got breached. Edmodo was breached several years sgo and it was a lame Facebook knockoff we had to make in school.