Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion


Azov has officially become the 1st Azov Corps of the National Guard.

The newly created corps includes:

▪️1st Presidential Operational Brigade Bureviy;
▪️12th Special Forces Brigade Azov;
▪️14th Operational Brigade Chervona Kalyna;
▪️15th Operational Brigade Kara Dag;
▪️Newly established 20th Operational Brigade Liubart.

From a Battalion of football hooligans to an Army Corps.

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Ukraine surely deserves at least a traditional friendly power discount. I doubt the Shah ever paid full price on his F-14 Tomcats.
Shah came to Grumman's aid after they had asked for financial help in developing the F-14. Which Shah did spent a fair amount in doing so and got preferred customer treatment as a greatly appreciated thank you from Grumman with approval of the U.S. Govt.
 
Ukraine surely deserves at least a traditional friendly power discount. I doubt the Shah ever paid full price on his F-14 Tomcats. In context, Trump's words seem no tending. Apropos of that, Iwonder will Merz go Scholz marshmallow despite his fighting words. The SDP are his coalition partner and Russia threatens war over the Taurus as usual. No one believes it but the Germans.
I mean buying weapons is like buying a car: never, ever pay list. (but unlike getting a car, you often DO want the extended service package)
Ukraine has gotten its other Patriot batteries (which to be fair and honest, until the latest German transfers were a peg or two below latest model) at extremely deep discounts or nearly zero-cost leases. (Reminder a big chunk of US military aid is discounts off pentagon MSRP)
So Trump might be voicing displeasure assuming that Zelensky talks a big game to the media about a 15 Billion dollar deal but would expect to get said batteries for much less than half that.
Its virtually impossible to "street price" out a Patriot battery because a transfer is almost never done in a vacuum and is almost always bundled with other deals (weapons or otherwise) may not include the latest SAMs or might have a reduced upfront cost but the country signs a very long and lucrative contract for maintenance.

Re: Merz I use the same stick on everyone. I'm willing to give Merz the chance to actually deliver on his tough talk before lumping him in the Stassi agents he replaced.

The Presidential Drawdown Authority is the least Trump could do to apply pressure on Russia.
The sooner Trump wakes up to the realization that the only thing Russia understands is strength and violence, the better.

I still say a B83 simulator dropped in the middle of red square would an appropriately subtle message for Putin.

I'm still about 90% sure Trump isn't going to do anything until after the US budget is hammered out because he wants to "pwn the Dems" on their support for Ukraine.

It's a dumb tautological thing to get stuck on because it's like saying "the sanctions due to the war will end by ending the war".
It is not just tautological because of the quotes being posted as "TRAITOR TRUMP IS GOING TO LIFT SANCTIONS" always ignoring the "If a peace deal is reached" part that follows.

Which sanctions get lifted on what time line is also important, and could be monumentally important depending on what a theorhetical peace would look like, as unless there is some real consequences for Russia and a requirement to deliver them, Russia rearming and trying again (or playing cross border fuckfuck games) is an almost certainty.
 
Russia to stop 'all hostilities' in Ukraine as Putin announces 'Easter truce' until end of Sunday
Russian President Vladimir Putin announces an "Easter truce'' in Ukraine, according to reports

Putin says there will be a temporary end to hostilities from 18:00 Moscow time (16:00 BST) today until midnight on 21 April (22:00 BST)

Putin adds he assumes Ukraine will follow the truce and Russian troops are ready to repel any possible violations

It is unclear whether Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has accepted the terms of the truce

This comes after Trump threatened to "pass" on Ukraine peace talks if no progress was made on a deal

Fighting has raged in Ukraine since Russia launched a full-scale invasion more than three years ago
 
Why do they have to be so incompetently sadistic, can't even war crime efficiently;
https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/how-russia-gas-warfare-ukraine-mnhdtzwkq/https://archive.is/cRnnb
Russian forces have increased their use of banned gas weapons in Ukraine as they push to seize full control of four occupied regions before a possible ceasefire deal, according to Kyiv’s military.
Although using chemical agents to cause toxic harm in war is prohibited by international treaties, President Putin’s troops used tear gas, chloropicrin — a choking agent — and other “unidentified chemicals” a total of 767 times last month, 844 times in February and 740 times in January.
That compares with 166 times in November, when President Trump was elected on pledges to end the war, the Radiation, Chemical and Biological Protection Department of Ukraine’s armed forces (RCBZ) said.
The Times also spoke to soldiers and doctors who claimed to have witnessed the deaths of Ukrainian servicemen as a result of attacks by chemical weapons, as well as pathologists who recorded the deaths of soldiers who were allegedly gassed. The witnesses suggested the Russians were increasingly resorting to chemical weapons to flush out Ukrainians from defensive strongholds or to immobilise and leave them vulnerable to conventional attacks.

The US State Department and war monitors have previously accused Moscow of using CN and CS gases — also known as tear gas — to deadly effect in Ukraine. It also said that Russia had used chloropicrin, which is severely irritating to the lungs and eyes, to dislodge Ukrainian troops from fortified positions.
Although classified as “riot-control agents”, tear gases are banned from the battlefield under the Chemical Weapons Convention and the 1925 Geneva Protocol because they can cause great harm to soldiers deployed in trenches or enclosed locations. Chloropicrin, a pesticide, is classified as a “toxic chemical” and severe exposure can be fatal.
The Kremlin, which along with Ukraine is a signatory of the 1997 Chemical Weapons Convention, has rejected claims that it uses toxic gases as “baseless”. But Colonel Artem Vlasyuk of Ukraine’s RCBZ claimed that Russian forces had used the agents at least 7,730 times since the beginning of the full-scale invasion in February 2022, including 2,351 recorded occasions since the start of this year.

“Forty per cent of these were recorded as the direct use of K-51 and RG-Vo grenades, which contain CS and CN gas,” Vlasyuk said. “The rest of the cases we identify as the use of dangerous chemicals by the enemy, classified as unknown substances because our units did not have access to the place of use due to intense enemy fire or the loss of positions where these dangerous chemical substances were used.”

Chemical weapon attacks​

Since the onset of the full-scale invasion, there have been 7,730 Russian chemical weapon attacks in Ukraine. Of these, 3,524 occurred since September

The Times received reports of dozens of Ukrainian soldiers affected by gas attacks in at least six frontline zones, as well as those who did not suffer lasting damage, or who were able to put on their gas masks in time.
The RCBZ said that Ukrainian investigators were looking into specific incidents, including deaths, and could not comment before charges were brought. “We can’t exclude the use of deadly substances by Russia in combination with tear gas,” Vlasyuk added.
Kyiv’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs said: “The Russian military regularly uses riot-control agents and ammunition equipped with dangerous chemicals against Ukrainian forces, including those of unknown origin. Unfortunately, a number of fatalities among the Ukrainian military were recorded.”
Russia’s Iranian-made “kamikaze” attack drones have also been armed with payloads of CS gas for attacks from the air, officials from Ukraine’s National Security and Defence Council announced on Wednesday.

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The Kremlin has in turn, and without providing evidence, alleged Ukraine’s forces have used “a wide range of toxic chemicals against Russian servicemen and public officials”, including fertilisers, pesticides and other banned toxins. Kyiv has denied this.
On the war’s southern front, Russian troops are pushing to take the town of Orikhiv, which would bring them within artillery range of Zaporizhzhia city, capital of the region of the same name, which Putin claims to have annexed.
Soldiers of Ukraine’s 65th Mechanised Brigade who are defending the town said they were coming under “daily” chemical attacks and displayed used tear gas grenades and improvised canisters they said had been dropped by Russian drones.

A chloropicrin grenade found by Ukrainian soldiers in Orikhiv
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Senior Lieutenant Sergey Skibchyk also claimed that “very often the Russians disguise poisonous substances as tear gas, or come up with their own dispersal devices, such as adding ordinary plastic bottles with various elements that, when combined or when exploded, emit aerosols that are lethal”.
“We are not talking tears and coughing, we are talking about chemical burns of the larynx, lungs, oral cavity, nasopharynx and even the skin,” Skibchyk said.

The Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) has issued two reports confirming the presence of CS gas on Ukrainian battlefields, but declined to comment on the use of other types of gases.
Its work is based on samples taken from the Ukrainian side, but it has not attributed blame or commented on the scale of the chemicals’ use.


The UK Ministry of Defence said: “Putin’s use of chemical agents as part of his illegal invasion of Ukraine is a clear violation of international law … in December 2024, the UK contributed a further £3 million for the procurement of respirators for Ukraine.”
However in the heat of battle, collecting physical evidence of chemical weapons while ducking for cover and trying to evacuate the wounded under fire is often the last thing on soldiers’ minds.

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Access to battlefields or territory controlled by Putin’s forces is dangerous, while the gases and chemical residues they leave behind do not typically persist long enough for study.
Lennie Phillips, a senior research fellow at the Royal United Services Institute, said any international mission to establish what chemical weapons were being used in Ukraine, and how, would be impossible without a ceasefire.
“If you’re talking about chemicals being used against people… in the middle of a conflict, full stop, their eyes are on the enemy [and] dealing with the aftermath,” he explained. “I think the last thing on their mind, understandably, would be, ‘Oh, let’s get a sample so we can send it off and we can see what the Russians have been using.’ … The Russians know that.”

Gasping and vomiting: the victims’ accounts​

Ukraine is conducting its own investigations into Russia’s alleged use of chemical weapons, with the assistance of the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which monitors breaches of the Chemical Weapons Convention, signed by 193 states.
In the meantime, the main evidence of Russia’s gas warfare comes from witness testimonies; from doctors, pathologists and soldiers exposed to those attacks. Here are some of their stories.

Gassed from above​

Sergeant “Haika”, 29, a medic serving with 1st Battalion, 80th Air Assault Brigade, said that in November her unit was fighting at the village of Klishchiivka, in the eastern Donetsk region, when it was hit with a chemical agent.
“I remember one gas attack on six of our soldiers: one was killed and the other five were poisoned. They suffered constant tears, salivation, short-term loss of vision, suffocation,” she said. The dead soldier had suffered no visible injuries, she added.
They never found out what the substance was, as their withdrawal with the body of the killed soldier was delayed by fighting. The surviving soldiers went on to suffer from bronchitis and other respiratory issues, she added.

Booby trapped​


Sergeant Vitaliy Fortunov suffered high temperatures and coughed up blood for weeks after uncovering powder
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In a battle, for the village of Robotyne in Zaporizhzhia, in February, Sergeant Vitaliy Fortunov of the 65th Mechanised Brigade, was digging to improve a position his company had captured from the Russians. As he did so, he uncovered a layer of powder, which flew into the air with the tip of his shovel.
Fortunov, 37, developed a cough that grew worse until he was struggling with each breath. He claims that for 40 days he suffered high temperatures and coughed up blood. Doctors told him he had been exposed to an unknown substance.

Rockets that suffocate​

Later that same month, some 170 miles to the north during the battle for Kupiansk, in the Kharkiv region, the Russians launched a barrage of rockets from multiple-launch systems at Ukrainian positions.
“The guys were in a dugout, in cover and stopped responding,” one officer, who requested anonymity, said. “When the group went to them, it turned out that the guys were all asleep. And when we started waking them up, everyone was vomiting a lot. They were taken outside, they were suffocating. They say that there was a gas release in front of the dugout, but without smell, without colour. The same thing happened on a neighbouring position after a multiple launch rocket system strike. The guys were also vomiting.”
Such attacks have continued. On the night of April 1, Ukrainian soldiers reported an attack on their position near the town of Lyman by a multiple-launch rocket system. Ukrainian rescuers who reached the scene found the bodies of three of their drone pilots.
“When we got there, three soldiers were dead, all of them had foaming at the mouth and had no physical injuries,” said “Desno”, a soldier from the mechanised brigade stationed there. “The remains of the ammunition were soaked with [an unknown] substance,” he added.

Signs of poisoning​

When a Russian drone dropped a grenade on the position of Captain Dmytro Kravchuk and Petro Galeru, it caused only a small explosion in their dugout, their fellow soldiers said. Hours later, their rescuers found no visible injuries on their dead comrades, only rings of foam around their mouths.
When their bodies arrived at the morgue in Dnipro, pathologists were struck by the lack of visible injuries — but each had fatally high levels of carboxyhemoglobin in their blood, an indication of carbon monoxide poisoning.
Serhiy Savchenko, deputy head of the morgue’s forensic medical examination bureau, told The Times that he had seen 14 such suspicious deaths with strange symptoms in less than a year. Each time soldiers had reported a gas attack, he said.

Sergeant Kosmos felt suffocated after inhaling gas from a grenade dropped by a Russian drone
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Carbon monoxide inhalation alone should not cause foaming around the mouth, said Alastair Hay, emeritus professor of environmental toxicology at the University of Leeds. “That would indicate some irritant, probably, something to cause secretion into the lung,” Hay said. “That would suggest to me some mixed exposure, that carbon monoxide (CO) was one of the consequences, likely from detonation in a confined space. The irritant would affect lung function and compromise breathing so the victim’s blood oxygen levels would be lowered.”
“The CO then degrades oxygen levels further until a lethal concentration is reached.”

A survivor’s tale​


“Khmil” was diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis after the attack
“Khmil” is still living with the effects of one of the earliest apparent attacks by Russia using chemical agents. A soldier from the 65th Brigade stationed at Robotyne, he said he was poisoned by a first-person view drone that flew into his dugout and dispersed a “grey fog” on December 27, 2023. Most of the soldiers managed to get their gas masks on but he fell unconscious before he could do so.
When he came to, he was vomiting and had a burning sensation all over his skin, and constant tears. He was treated and was diagnosed with acute laryngotracheitis as a result of exposure to an unknown chemical substance. His health has continued to degrade and he has been diagnosed with autoimmune hepatitis. “When I went to war, my wife was in the second month of her pregnancy,” said Khmil. “When my daughter was born, I had a vacation to see her, but I was so weak after this poisoning I couldn’t hold her. That hurts.”
>where is le ebidance
Every fucking time.
 
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Telegram: View @V_Zelenskiy_official:
The corresponding proposal of the format of a full and unconditional ceasefire for a period of 30 days remains unanswered by Russia for 39 days. The United States made this proposal, Ukraine accepted it positively, but Russia ignored.

If now Russia is suddenly ready to really join the format of complete and unconditional silence, Ukraine will act in a mirror – as it will be from the Russian side. Silence in response to silence, blows to defense against strikes. If the complete silence really reigns, Ukraine proposes to extend it at the end of the Easter day on April 20 in the future. This will show Russia's true intentions, because 30 hours is enough for headlines, but not for real confidence-building measures. Thirty days can give peace a chance.

So far, according to the report of Holovkom, Russian assault operations continue in some areas of the front and Russian artillery does not subside. Therefore, there is no trust in words from Moscow. We know too well how Moscow manipulates, and is always ready for anything. The defense forces of Ukraine will act rationally, in a mirror answer. Every Russian strike will have a sufficient response.

At 21:30 and at 22:00, I expect detailed reports of Oleksandr Syrskyi's Golovkom after communicating with the commanders of brigades and other units on the front line regarding the situation in specific areas.
 
Yeah, because its not like the USA doesn't have a proven track record of voting against these things on general principles, or that the resolution specifically calls for strengthened cooperation with the Council of Europe, aka the USA should go back to sucking Eurofag cock.
That's plausible deniability, though. A veneer, so if you oppose what the U.S. representation at the U.N is doing, people like you can say " EETS ABAWT NAWT SAWKING EUROFAG CAWK".

>"The current resolution repeats statements as to the Russia-Ukraine war that the United States considers unhelpful in advancing the cause of peace."

Translation: Stop being mean to Vladi!
 
Shamelessly stealing:
Gays for Russia demo:

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The profile of the editor-in-chief of Socialist Unity Party's Struggle:

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I know, "If you love [shithole] so much, why don't you go be gay there" is sort of boomer own...but yeah. If you're curious, "Melinda" was born as Greg.
The disregard of the latest truce (self imposed, made up, a lie) is just a further indictment of what "russian soul" really means; literally anything and everything they want/need it to, there is no hard weathered hardship induced strength only the slippery oriental schemes of a nation incapable of civilisation.
 
That's plausible deniability, though. A veneer, so if you oppose what the U.S. representation at the U.N is doing, people like you can say " EETS ABAWT NAWT SAWKING EUROFAG CAWK".
Read the actual draft. It is 12 pages, half a page is about Russian invasion and considering the frame work of warcrimes charges on Russian actors, the other 11 and half pages are about increasing carbon requirements for the west the 3rd world & china will be immune from, requiring non-islamic shitholes to import every nigger and muslim, gender bullshit including "Gender quity for Roma and (Irish) Traveller women." and a bunch of other horseshit to ensure that no one can challenge reigning Euro governments.

So the shit put forward was majority mandating the sucking the cocks of Muslims & Euros I repeat myself. So yes, voting against it is voting against exactly that.
 
That's plausible deniability, though. A veneer, so if you oppose what the U.S. representation at the U.N is doing, people like you can say " EETS ABAWT NAWT SAWKING EUROFAG CAWK".

>"The current resolution repeats statements as to the Russia-Ukraine war that the United States considers unhelpful in advancing the cause of peace."

Translation: Stop being mean to Vladi!
Read the actual draft. It is 12 pages, half a page is about Russian invasion and considering the frame work of warcrimes charges on Russian actors, the other 11 and half pages are about increasing carbon requirements for the west the 3rd world & china will be immune from, requiring non-islamic shitholes to import every nigger and muslim, gender bullshit including "Gender quity for Roma and (Irish) Traveller women." and a bunch of other horseshit to ensure that no one can challenge reigning Euro governments.

So the shit put forward was majority mandating the sucking the cocks of Muslims & Euros I repeat myself. So yes, voting against it is voting against exactly that.
Doesn't explain why Viktor Orbán's Hungary voted for the resolution, despite its own opposition to mass non-European immigration and supporting Ukraine with more than humanitarian aid.

A Russian boomer helpfully violates OPSEC by posting (along with his mug) a North Korean 240-mm M1991 MLRS in service with the Russian Armed Forces having "anti-drone protection" installed:

M-1991 Juche 100 MLRS - Army Recognition.

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Ukrainians celebrating easter today with native traditions.

Putin has accidently supercharged Ukrainian nationalism and religion.
Please Spoiler that, our new zizters from /chug/ will be very upset seeing an entirely European crowd enjoying their own culture.
 
Read the actual draft. It is 12 pages, half a page is about Russian invasion and considering the frame work of warcrimes charges on Russian actors, the other 11 and half pages are about increasing carbon requirements for the west the 3rd world & china will be immune from, requiring non-islamic shitholes to import every nigger and muslim, gender bullshit including "Gender quity for Roma and (Irish) Traveller women." and a bunch of other horseshit to ensure that no one can challenge reigning Euro governments.

So the shit put forward was majority mandating the sucking the cocks of Muslims & Euros I repeat myself. So yes, voting against it is voting against exactly that.
I have read the draft and I have addressed it. Yes, it's tacked on shit but the statement from the U.S representative addresses all three points. They could've addressed SDGs and the migration compacts. Instead, they actually addressed Vlad's feelings. Kinda nullifies your point.
 
Russia took longer to violate the truce than I figured they would.
If it wasn't instantly, then indeed it was longer. It was the standard Russian meme ceasefire (well known since Georgia in '08 and Ukraine round 1 in 2014, basically declared as a tool of misinformation, misdirection and a means to reinforce. Whenever Ukraine might attack some shilltard (Tim Pool or Malaysian citizen Ian Miles Cheong) will scream on Xitter about it to rouse the bots and the incurable stupid people (ie the malding trannies in the other thread) who listen to them.



Preston Stewart on Insta
 
Gimme rainbows but I'm hoping he wakes up to the fact Vlad won't sign a deal unless its inked in Ukrainian blood sooner rather than later.
I think that requires the glowing fossils at the CIA to give up the idea of the continuing "great game". Because forget Vance et al, Trump seems to be getting (and taking) the exact same advice Biden was getting. So I dunno, maybe there's something in the briefings.

I can appreciate the concern to a degree; Russia falls in Ukraine, I don't think Putin survives it. Politically for sure and maybe not physically. So you have a nuclear nation with a headstrong military in the middle of power struggle if not an outright civil war.
While that's going on, Ukraine is now left with I believe the largest land army in Europe and I think (while this is a huge asterisk) bigger than the rest of Europe combined if we completely write off the much-reduced US presence. and the last time we had a nation with a large land army and decimated economy, owing billions to its neighbors for a war effort, we got Desert Storm.
And that's the good scenario - the bad case is Putin's successor, as a show of force, decides actually declare war on Ukraine and presses the button.

But the Russia stuff, I just see as something that's going to come to a head sooner or later, and might as well do it at a time, place, and method of your chosing so you can at least have some control.

Doesn't explain why Viktor Orbán's Hungary voted for the resolution, despite its own opposition to mass non-European immigration and supporting Ukraine with more than humanitarian aid.
The resolution wasn't about non-humanitarian aid. It was about working towards having the UN work with the Euro Council on considering how Russian war crimes might be prosecuted. He's not voting for anything more than Hungary has already signed up for via EU membership.
Orban would like the calls about determination as he hopes to restore Greater Hungary and I'm assuming the Committees for Roma Gypsies mean lots of opportunity for grifting. And naturally anything that stops opposition parties from forming he'd be all for.

or tl;dr: I'm assuming he got paid or expects to be, I think Hungary is still higher-tier "developing economy" so less effected by the carbon bullshit.

From your lips to God's ears, Donald. Everyone makes a fortune!
I did on that NVIDIA bounce.

I have read the draft and I have addressed it. Yes, it's tacked on shit but the statement from the U.S representative addresses all three points. They could've addressed SDGs and the migration compacts. Instead, they actually addressed Vlad's feelings. Kinda nullifies your point.
Or the Eurocouncil could have not packed it with a 20:1 genderqueer bullshit ratio to start with, but I guess that's too much to hope.

The US did address those other issues. As well as telling the krauts to eat a fat one (and yes the bullshit tone policing)
 
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