What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Screamer_2]

Except, it's proven that it has impacts on the planet, and the sun's solar storm strength, which messes with the Ionosphere and HF/radio communications.

I’m fairly sure it does have an effect - aren’t the tidal influences large enough to affect t earthquake frequency or something? I’m sure this has been discussed here before a while back, I was surprised to see the magnitude of the effect. It’s not massive but it’s enough to do stuff

Nopes.

People in the past looked at the alignments in the sky and theorised, but the impacts are extremely minimal. There's one dominant force in the solar system and it is the sun. The effects on the planets to each other is extremely minuscule. A truck driving down a road near you has a bigger gravitational impact on you than Jupiter at its closest orbital point.

 

[one_time_user]

Hookworms can dramatically reduce allergies. I never knew tgis until my new dog came with hookworms and has massive food allergies. I thought we had them under control until she was hookworm free and found out we... didn't. I had obsessively googled hookworms during treatment and read about the allergies and called it bullshit. jokes on me.

 

[Althalus]

Hookworms can dramatically reduce allergies. I never knew tgis until my new dog came with hookworms and has massive food allergies. I thought we had them under control until she was hookworm free and found out we... didn't. I had obsessively googled hookworms during treatment and read about the allergies and called it bullshit. jokes on me.

Didn't know about the hookworm-allergy connection, that is interesting. Hookworms are the reason why American southerners had a stereotype of being lazy/lethargic, since that is a symptom of chronic hookworm infection. They thrive in warm, damp soil and can be easily picked up by any small cut on bare feet. A lot of southerners in the 17/1800s were poor and walked around barefoot since the warm climate made shoes less necessary. Hence large-scale hookworm infections causing mass lethargy/ "laziness" among poor southerners.

 

[one_time_user]

@Althalus that's why I had to google it so hard, that was the only thing I knew about the damn things. It's horribly contagious so I was relieved it was winter. It was the first time I had read about a parasite having an unexpectedly weird affect on the host in mammals.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Nopes.

People in the past looked at the alignments in the sky and theorised, but the impacts are extremely minimal. There's one dominant force in the solar system and it is the sun. The effects on the planets to each other is extremely minuscule. A truck driving down a road near you has a bigger gravitational impact on you than Jupiter at its closest orbital point.

It's been proven that it does have an effect. It's how Jim and Frank were/are so accurate in predicting earthquakes and conventional science has predicted zero events.

Studies conducted during and shortly after the WW2 show that the planetary alignments effect the sun, which effects the solar storms of the sun, thus effecting our planet. It's like a celestial game of snooker.

 

[Wilson The Ball]

Always believed in the Lost Cosmonauts theory. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Cosmonauts
A number of claims were in fact hoaxes, but some are still unconfirmed. And it just makes sense, honestly- many nations have destroyed records of stuff they want no one remembering, so arguing "muh paperwork" is a moot fucking point. Plus it's cool in an eerie sorta way, like up there floating around is some skeleton in a spacesuit in a Soviet pod.

 

[Meriasek]

Nopes.

People in the past looked at the alignments in the sky and theorised, but the impacts are extremely minimal. There's one dominant force in the solar system and it is the sun. The effects on the planets to each other is extremely minuscule. A truck driving down a road near you has a bigger gravitational impact on you than Jupiter at its closest orbital point.

Apparently planetary alignment can have enough influence on the sun's plasma flows that it causes the 11 year cycle. But plasma is extremely susceptible to small perturbations as it is always extremely unstable. The tidal forces on tectonics on Earth from planetary movements other than Sun and Moon shouldn't really have a noticable effect. Although it would be interesting if sometimes you'd get metastable states in like volcanos and tectonic plates, and the perturbation from a bigger planetary alignment would be enough to knock it out of stability.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

This is a water world and those on land are second in the chain of evolution. Mammals and reptiles returned to the sea because that's the natural origin of life.
There's plenty in the ocean we have no idea about. I standby primate life existed or existing in the ocean.

 

[NoReturn]

Didn't know about the hookworm-allergy connection, that is interesting. Hookworms are the reason why American southerners had a stereotype of being lazy/lethargic, since that is a symptom of chronic hookworm infection. They thrive in warm, damp soil and can be easily picked up by any small cut on bare feet. A lot of southerners in the 17/1800s were poor and walked around barefoot since the warm climate made shoes less necessary. Hence large-scale hookworm infections causing mass lethargy/ "laziness" among poor southerners.

And this is the exact kind of thing I was talking about about how strange it is that doctors in the US act like you're crazy for wanting to get a round of anti-parasite-pills. There ARE high-risk environments here. Why go through all the song and dance of getting an actual diagnosis, or letting the parasites grow, if it's relatively safe to just take one round after engaging in a high-risk behavior or living in a high-risk environment?
The side effects of the pills can't be worse than the symptoms of having an active hookworm infection, right?

There's plenty in the ocean we have no idea about. I standby primate life existed or existing in the ocean.

Can anyone enlighten me on why the aquatic ape theory is so maligned? It doesn't seem too insane to me, but I've seen anthropologists chimp out (heehee) about it.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

And this is the exact kind of thing I was talking about about how strange it is that doctors in the US act like you're crazy for wanting to get a round of anti-parasite-pills. There ARE high-risk environments here. Why go through all the song and dance of getting an actual diagnosis, or letting the parasites grow, if it's relatively safe to just take one round after engaging in a high-risk behavior or living in a high-risk environment?
The side effects of the pills can't be worse than the symptoms of having an active hookworm infection, right?


Can anyone enlighten me on why the aquatic ape theory is so maligned? It doesn't seem too insane to me, but I've seen anthropologists chimp out (heehee) about it.

My guess is that most doctors don't live in environments where there's any parasite risk so to them the idea is absurd, most of them are used to inner cities where the most dangerous things are drinking the tap water or getting shanked on your way to McDonalds, and they assume everyone else does too, they can't imagine a city slicker who doesn't have a tolerance for this stuff would suddenly, one day, for no reason at all, go on a hike in a potentially dangerous area
Most of them just aren't used to prescribing it, they're used to giving out Xanax and Ritalin, forgetting they even have the option to hand out this stuff
Try going to a car repair shop and asking to buy new caps for your tires air valve or some random shit like that that most people don't buy, they have em, but they'll look at you funny too because they likely haven't sold one in five years

But I do wonder if there's an actual agenda with not selling them... The anti parasite medication, I mean, not the caps
In most cases the individual doctor is not malicious, even if there's malicious intent behind the orders they were handed, they just follow them and are simply acting out of being uninformed

 

[NoReturn]

But I do wonder if there's an actual agenda with not selling them... The anti parasite medication, I mean, not the caps

Even at a very basic level, it kind of makes sense.
You make more money charging for treatment then you do actually curing something, and insurance companies pay out a lot for running tests. Maybe it's just more cost-effective to let people get infected, treat the chronic symptoms, run tests, then prescribe the pills once you're certain they have parasites, rather than just saying "Here's a $10 pill. Take it and if it doesn't fix things, come back in two weeks."

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

Even at a very basic level, it kind of makes sense.
You make more money charging for treatment then you do actually curing something, and insurance companies pay out a lot for running tests. Maybe it's just more cost-effective to let people get infected, treat the chronic symptoms, run tests, then prescribe the pills once you're certain they have parasites, rather than just saying "Here's a $10 pill. Take it and if it doesn't fix things, come back in two weeks."

If I had a bit more faith in the medical industry I'd suggest that perhaps it's to protect the average idiot layman who may be making a mistake by taking a drug he doesn't need without realizing if he actually has the condition that it treats.... But come on, when has pharma ever NOT made it's business in selling people medication they don't need!

 

[Otterly]

Hookworms do reduce allergies and also autoimmune stuff like asthma. I think it’s the IgE arm of the immune system getting bored and licking off against Self in the absence of anything productive to do. The devil finds work for idle hands, as it were.

Can anyone enlighten me on why the aquatic ape theory is so maligned?

1. It contradicts OoA (probably the main one tbh.)
2. It just doesn’t quite add up time wise as a single/primary driver.
3. All the traits can be explained with other forces driving them,
Humans were obligate bipedal a long long time before we had a descended larynx and the hooded nostrils.
We lost our hair - probably driven more by persistence hunting and our ability to sweat. Hairlessness is a weak evidence. Subcutaneous fat distribution is neautral, apes do have it. Hooded nostrils are interesting, descended larynx is interesting. Dive reflex you can explain by amniotic sac. There’s nothing that actively contradicts any of it as a contributing factor though - DHa and other stuff found in marine foods is good for the brain and humans have obviously been eating marine foods for a very long time, before we were even fully human. Shellfish in middens, carved shells and all that. We clearly exploited the seashores and lakes and rivers and who’s to say that wading wasn’t one driver of bipedalism among several?
I think as one contributing factor it has some weight but not as a total driver.

 

[NoReturn]

1. It contradicts OoA (probably the main one tbh.)

No shit? Why would it contradict OoA?
Also, the "we were in the water" thing makes sense to me, too. Maybe some people think aquatic ape is arguing for full-time water immersion instead of "We spent a lot of time in swamps and by the shore"?

 

[Otterly]

No shit? Why would it contradict OoA?
Also, the "we were in the water" thing makes sense to me, too. Maybe some people think aquatic ape is arguing for full-time water immersion instead of "We spent a lot of time in swamps and by the shore"?

Geography. OOA say an ape like thing on the savannah came down from the trees when the forest dissipated through climate change (BUT NOT LIKE THAT! GOOD climate change! ) and then became human and wandered all over in a fairly direct line of spreading out. The savannah drives the bipedalism and the endurance hunting.
AA would imply that a proto human was truly semi aquatic, as in ‘in the water as often as not’ which needs a shoreline along the vast majority of its habitat. Which isn’t happening in Africa unless you localise so much you say ‘it all happened by lake turkana’ or the then equivalent but it’s more likely if true human origin was say, the levant and the areas around the med or some swampy bit of that area. Which it actually seems like it might have been.
A middle ground is multiregionalism. We had a proto origins goodness knows where, maybe it was a pre- san-like group in south South Africa, or maybe it was the levant, went up the horn and into the levant and then bounced back and forth interbreeding with all the other sort of humans living all sorts of lifestyles (as we see humans do in tribal state, we are very adaptable) and regional groups developed their own adaptations, which all got mixed up and sloshed around with a lot of messy migration. It’s not unreasonable to think of groups who lived a very shore-based life, you can tell what people ate by looking at the isotopes in their skeleton and teeth. Where marine/aquatic life was an option, we ate it. Where it wasn’t, we ate other stuff.
I think it was one selection pressure among several, I’m not convinced we were ever truly ‘semi aquatic’ as in spending half our time in the water (we don’t have the thermoregulation for it in cooler climes) on a large scale, but I’ll buy that local groups were - like the sea gypsies today and that any group with access to a shoreline used it.
I freely admit to being a multi regionalist , and also that I feel a bit smug it’s coming back into fashion, having been mercilessly taunted for even daring to think it might be true in uni.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

Hookworms do reduce allergies and also autoimmune stuff like asthma. I think it’s the IgE arm of the immune system getting bored and licking off against Self in the absence of anything productive to do. The devil finds work for idle hands, as it were.

1. It contradicts OoA (probably the main one tbh.)
2. It just doesn’t quite add up time wise as a single/primary driver.
3. All the traits can be explained with other forces driving them,
Humans were obligate bipedal a long long time before we had a descended larynx and the hooded nostrils.
We lost our hair - probably driven more by persistence hunting and our ability to sweat. Hairlessness is a weak evidence. Subcutaneous fat distribution is neautral, apes do have it. Hooded nostrils are interesting, descended larynx is interesting. Dive reflex you can explain by amniotic sac. There’s nothing that actively contradicts any of it as a contributing factor though - DHa and other stuff found in marine foods is good for the brain and humans have obviously been eating marine foods for a very long time, before we were even fully human. Shellfish in middens, carved shells and all that. We clearly exploited the seashores and lakes and rivers and who’s to say that wading wasn’t one driver of bipedalism among several?
I think as one contributing factor it has some weight but not as a total driver.

Not all infections or aspects of infection are bad, there are even some infections that are completely harmless or even beneficial
Toxoplasmosis is an example of a parasitic infection that has little to no adverse affects on a human other than mild risk to a fetus, and otherwise only has upsides like strengthening the immune system, it is even said to correlate with *positive* changes in character
Also it gives you cat communication skills

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

Can anyone enlighten me on why the aquatic ape theory is so maligned?

I've never heard about it before but on the face of it 'aquatic ape' sounds incredibly retarded.

1. Virtually no monkeys spend any time in water.
2. Humans have to teach themselves to swim, and the most ape like of humans (niggers) are especially bad at swimming.
3. The only body plans in water that have limbs are crustaceans and octopi.

This is very retarded, so I'm not going to waste more time explicating how it is stupid.

 

[Otterly]

Virtually no monkeys spend any time in water.

Gorillas love sitting in water. They wade and often use walking sticks to balance as they do so. They eat a lot of aquatic/swamp type plants.
They don’t go deeper than waist if they can help it.

 

[Cuntspiracy Man]

I've never heard about it before but on the face of it 'aquatic ape' sounds incredibly retarded.

1. Virtually no monkeys spend any time in water.
2. Humans have to teach themselves to swim, and the most ape like of humans (niggers) are especially bad at swimming.
3. The only body plans in water that have limbs are crustaceans.

This is very retarded, so I'm not going to waste more time explicating how it is stupid.

Most primates can swim, and humans are naturally born with an instinctual ability to handle themselves in water and learn how to swim very quickly based purely off those instincts, they only need to RE-learn it if they were failed at a young age and deprived of acting out on those instincts

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Can anyone enlighten me on why the aquatic ape theory is so maligned? It doesn't seem too insane to me, but I've seen anthropologists chimp out (heehee) about it.

just simple process of elimination. I like simple ideas because too much is lost in complexities. The devil is in the details they say, and I don't dance with the devil.

Anyway,

Reptile:
Air - Pterodactyl
Land - Crocodile
Sea - Sea snakes

Fish
Air - Flying fish
Land - Muddy mud skipper
Sea - Cod

Mammals
Air - Bats
Land - Dogs
Sea - Whale

Primate
Air - flying monkeys (kind of like a flying squirrel. There's evidence they existed)
Land - Chimps
Sea - ???

Doesn't make sense that there wouldn't be an underwater or amphibious primate. There are some tribes that spend lots of time on the water. Some that can hold their breathe for extended periods 10 mins+ who live on the shores. Some that island hop in the pacific islands near New Zealand. But think, when primates/humans expanded across the world, why wouldn't they go across the pacific (apparently empty) where predators would be relatively minimal compared to the jungle and african plains, and the environment would be more forgiving than the desert or frozen tundras.