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[Akerman]

All the posters for Black Panther in China had the guy's face covered too.

Not to clog up the thread with this, but this is also not accurate. They had two official posters, just like in every other market. One where he wore a mask and one without. This is in Simplified Chinese which means it's not from Taiwan. The Japanese posters were the exact same too, and the U.S ones were a bit different but there was also one with the mask and one without. This was probably because he wasn't really known unmasked ATT so they pushed both in order to maximize draw in every market so every dumbass knew it was a Marvel movie by the character alone which they would recognize from Civil War, at least that is my theory anyways. Black Panther also made a ton of money, though with a drop off in the second week in Chinese markets which it wouldn't have made anywhere near if they hated blacks in movies and wanted them removed. Black Panther is a kangz circlejerk, so any population that hated blacks would hate that movie too.

Spoiler: More on this

Point is that the idea that China minimizes or removes black people from posters intentionally is probably not true, they care more about excessive violence, things that may upset "harmony" or "stability" and ghosts for some reason. I think it's more likely that they squeezed characters in on the middle for some composition reason that's now lost to time and didn't expect that morons would scream about some random character being shrunk a bit. And in fact this is confirmed too because this was not the only poster shown of the movie in China. Here is one advertising the movie being shown at a Chinese theater another of the international poster with Simplified Chinese lettering, these two featuring him only, and one from the BBC article on the China opening showing a larger poster that all prominently feature Boyega. Other movies both featuring and being about black people like Waman Kang and Us both had releases in China/HK despite them hating black people in movies. They also had the same posters with black people only, the HK poster for Wamen King had even more blacks on the poster. - I know nobody here cares about Black Panther and rightfully so, but it's odd that none of the people who are virtue signaling about China being racist towards that movie didn't catch how every market had an unmasked and masked version of the poster. So strange, almost like they secretly hate these shitty movies too but have to pretend to signal to the crowd.

Now are all or most Chinese people racist? I mean they did really enjoy that one sperg livestreamer showing up and acting like a monkey, but that could be more them laughing at him than with him tbf. At least for some of the clips I saw from that stream, like a girl being into his muscles etc and them genuinely laughing with him, I don't think that is the case however. I think they mostly just don't give a shit about black people, if I were to guess, and that is why they didn't expect anything would happen when they shrunk the black dude on the poster. I am sure a lot of people hating blacks exist in China though as they do anywhere, but this poster drama was and continues to be ragebait pushed by the same suspects. It was actually debunked very quickly but predictably people didn't really care about that. As such I don't blame most people for not realizing this is BS because whenever someone is called racist on Twitter it has to be automatically believed and it's blasted everywhere, and also because Chinese people don't really use Western platforms so they can't debunk this on the same level as the lies show up.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

Scientist Man would have a field day explaining it

 

[HowlingChasm]

Thinking RLM turned woke is silly. There's no reason to think they were never not milquetoast leftists. Making fun of triggers and girl bosses doesn't mean they're hip to the JQ and want a Christian theocracy.

 

[khaine]

 

[Wild at Heart]

Talking more about how much theaters suck... RLM is still my top 3 YouTube channels ever, but if they keep harping on this subject and let it poison their other shows, I could see it souring the fan base.

Just talk about things you like, there's enough negativity in the world, you don't need to apply it to art and hobbies. It isn't their job to save movies. They could be leading an old movie renaissance in the younger generation, as they have quietly done. Every Re:View causes a 30 year old movie to trend on Prime, and gets kids into old media. DO THAT!

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

There's too many different formats and unnecessary distractions on their channel. If I called the shots, I'd cut all the fat and keep:

- BotW and WotW with three movies out of a bunch of hand-picked (!) ones. shorten the episodes to 60 minutes. that's more than enough.
- re:View with obscure and mostly old movies
- the occassional HITB if there's a new movie that's worth talking about. doesn't matter if it's in the theaters or if a rotten tomato saw it.

Get rid of all the black voids, Nerd Crews, quizes, Mikes Ands Jays Talks Abouts. all that crap. Last but not least, shut up about Star Trek. It's so tiresome.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I'll defend Abrams in that The Force Awakens, for all its issues, did set up an interesting premise for a trilogy and got people excited for where it was going, while also evoking the feeling of the old movies. Was it perfect? Hell no. Did it do what it was supposed to do? Yes. Had someone else, even Joss Whedon, gotten the job of doing episode eight and built on what was happening, episode nine would have rivaled Endgame for how hyped everyone would be to see what was coming. But the job went to Rian Johnson, a man who is infamous for enjoying pissing off his audience just because he finds it fun.

I'm going to disagree with you on that part, Abrams never intended to answer any questions posed by TFA because of the whole mystery box bullshit and despite doing it in the worst way possible, those plot points needed to be cut off.

As far as RLM goes, I don't think they've admitted (or will ever admit) that the sequel trilogy redeems the prequel trilogy. TPM had some decidedly un-Star Wars stuff going on with negotiations about a trade blockade but it's more Star Wars-y than TLJ, along with some great sequences like podracing and the epic fight with Darth Maul; with a great soundtrack as well.

 

[MrSlongDong]

Black Panther also made a ton of money, though with a drop off in the second week in Chinese markets

It hasn't. It made 100M total in China which is nothing in this market. The below shows the box office for foreign films only



By contrast, Avengers Endgame made 330M on its opening day (which isn't even a lot compared to local movies) and Infinity War made 200M on its opening day. You're looking at things very selectively. It's harder to market products with black people in the Chinese market. That's just a fact. I'm sure the Biden administration & Co were trying to change this, but the general consensus towards blacks in mainland China remains that they are dumb, violent and repulsive.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

but the general consensus towards blacks in mainland China remains that they are dumb, violent and repulsive.

Maybe America should stop painting George Floyd murals everywhere.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

It hasn't. It made 100M total in China which is nothing in this market. The below shows the box office for foreign films only

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By contrast, Avengers Endgame made 330M on its opening day (which isn't even a lot compared to local movies) and Infinity War made 200M on its opening day. You're looking at things very selectively. It's harder to market products with black people in the Chinese market. That's just a fact. I'm sure the Biden administration & Co were trying to change this, but the general consensus towards blacks in mainland China remains that they are dumb, violent and repulsive.

So, in other words, China is right about SOMETHING.

 

[MrSlongDong]

There's no reason to think they were never not milquetoast leftists.

Yes of course and many people have made this point and told me I was being autistic and I partly agree. However, if you were watching in 2015-2022 (broadly speaking), they sounded a bit more cynical and mean. I feel like they have lost their bite a little over time. It's hard to say whether that's true or if it's just in my head. Maybe I'm looking at the past with rose tainted glasses. I call this a Tomlinsonian realization, the moment where you realize "hold on a minute, it's me, I am the stalker child and I go to prison (in my head)"

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Yes of course and many people have made this point and told me I was being autistic and I partly agree. However, if you were watching in 2015-2022 (broadly speaking), they sounded a bit more cynical and mean. I feel like they have lost their bite a little over time. It's hard to say whether that's true or if it's just in my head. Maybe I'm looking at the past with rose tainted glasses. I call this a Tomlinsonian realization, the moment where you realize "hold on a minute, it's me, I am the stalker child and I go to prison (in my head)"

You are definitely not wrong. They have gone totally milquetoast over the last few years. I marathoned BOTW episodes, and the closer to present you get, the less scathing they are and the more they virtue-signal like good little cucks about anything edgy.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

As far as RLM goes, I don't think they've admitted (or will ever admit) that the sequel trilogy redeems the prequel trilogy. TPM had some decidedly un-Star Wars stuff going on with negotiations about a trade blockade but it's more Star Wars-y than TLJ, along with some great sequences like podracing and the epic fight with Darth Maul; with a great soundtrack as well.

I mean, all the problems that existed with the prequels are still there regardless of what the sequel trilogy did. Despite how bad the prequels were, we have come to realize with the sequel trilogy that the prequels didn't necessarily represent the bottom of what a Star Wars film could. There could be significantly less effort put into a film than what occurred with the prequels.

I feel a big part of the problem with Disney's handling of the franchise is that despite how bad the prequels were, there was a lot of good stuff happening in the franchise elsewhere. We were still getting memorable video games, book and comics. For as bad as The Phantom Menace was as a film there were still tons of video games that people love that were connected to the film.

That hasn't happened though with Disney, where literally everything in the franchise has taken a huge nosedive. What was the last good Star Wars game that was released? The Old Republic or the first Force Unleashed game?

You are definitely not wrong. They have gone totally milquetoast over the last few years. I marathoned BOTW episodes, and the closer to present you get, the less scathing they are and the more they virtue-signal like good little cucks about anything edgy.

Part of it just might be that they are older now. You lose a lot of that vitriol and passion you had for something as you age. It is easier to get angry about stuff when you are younger.

 

[Mola Ram]

You are definitely not wrong. They have gone totally milquetoast over the last few years. I marathoned BOTW episodes, and the closer to present you get, the less scathing they are and the more they virtue-signal like good little cucks about anything edgy.

How much of this is due to YouTube's psychotic demonetization algorithm? Not too long ago they used the term "SA'd" for "raped," and these are the same guys who once destroyed a television with the force of Plinkett's ejaculate. Guys like RLM staying on YouTube only makes the situation worse.

 

[Akerman]

It hasn't. It made 100M total in China which is nothing in this market. The below shows the box office for foreign films only

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By contrast, Avengers Endgame made 330M on its opening day (which isn't even a lot compared to local movies) and Infinity War made 200M on its opening day. You're looking at things very selectively. It's harder to market products with black people in the Chinese market. That's just a fact. I'm sure the Biden administration & Co were trying to change this, but the general consensus towards blacks in mainland China remains that they are dumb, violent and repulsive.

Yeah, you are right. - I made the classic blunder of reading too much into cope about it, but it really did do below expectations and the expectations themselves were already quite low. I thought that it at least exceeded some expectations which some articles even suggested, but that was clearly wrong. - To be fair I wouldn't expect Black Panther to be on par with the Avengers movies in most markets, it's a piece of shit even by Marvel standards but it also dropped off real bad the second week in China compared to other markets which does add credence to when the Chinese learned what the movie was about they decided not to touch that shit with a 10ft pole. - I realized this after my post and debated editing it after I did further research on how Chinese people really didn't fuck with Black Panther which is unsurprising, but you already put it well enough. The second movie did even worse over there too, however there is some cope that this is a result of a torrent of the film being available before release but I wouldn't put too much stock into that personally.

Spoiler: TL

It's still questionable if China actively do minimize black people on every poster and remove them from movies however as Jay hinted at in the video, even if the audiences might be as tired of blacks being forced into everything like we are. It mostly just seems to be poorly cherry picked examples from pearl clutching BLM scolds from almost a decade ago that conveniently ignore examples where they don't remove/hide any blacks from posters like in the 2nd Black Panther movie poster. Yet Mike & Jay constantly bring up the idea that China are doing massive sweeps of blacks from our movies over there all the time. I wish, personally. The only evidence of them doing something like that is with ghosts, violence, films that send a message that could lead to instability (according to the government), and gay shit. But Chinese audiences clearly do not fuck with kang movies either despite this.

I will also concede that there is an indication that Chinese are wary of foreign films in general. Especially now. - as a bookend on this: I have actually gotten really interested in checking some of those Chinese films out now due to this because of how little they fuck with our movies in general. I wonder if film there is as garbage as it is over here. Wish they would cover more foreign films in general on RLM.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

How much of this is due to YouTube's psychotic demonetization algorithm? Not too long ago they used the term "SA'd" for "raped," and these are the same guys who once destroyed a television with the force of Plinkett's ejaculate. Guys like RLM staying on YouTube only makes the situation worse.

If it was just backing off on things YouTube demonitizes for they wouldn't fall all over themselves about how things in 80s movies are wrong and bad now, and they wouldn't be such assholes about others criticising things like The Acolyte.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

That hasn't happened though with Disney, where literally everything in the franchise has taken a huge nosedive. What was the last good Star Wars game that was released? The Old Republic or the first Force Unleashed game?

The fact that they killed LucasArts probably had to more to do with that than anything. (I wonder whose idea that was, you'd think they could've sold LucasArts to EA as part of the license, even if the end result would be similar).

How much of this is due to YouTube's psychotic demonetization algorithm? Not too long ago they used the term "SA'd" for "raped," and these are the same guys who once destroyed a television with the force of Plinkett's ejaculate. Guys like RLM staying on YouTube only makes the situation worse.

Being forced to use cucked language on YouTube ("unaliving" being a major offender) doesn't mean you have to have cuck opinions as well.

 

[Hentai-Semitism]

Why are we even discussing box office? It's about as interesting as comparing console or game sales. Sure, it's sad if a movie I like flops because it means that more movies like it probably won't get made in the future. Other than that I couldn't care less.

The financial side of moviemaking is only interesting to me if a film looks great, but was made with a really low budget. Two of my favorite movies were made for peanuts, but don't stand out compared to movies made for tens of millions of dollars. Most viewers probably don't even notice the obvious signs: only a few actors, barely any sets, almost no special effects etc.

 

[I.B. Niggin]

How much of this is due to YouTube's psychotic demonetization algorithm? Not too long ago they used the term "SA'd" for "raped," and these are the same guys who once destroyed a television with the force of Plinkett's ejaculate. Guys like RLM staying on YouTube only makes the situation worse.

Honestly, why should they even care about monetization at this point? They've got a well established fanbase now and they've got a pretty healthy Patreon.

 

[Samuel Fuller]

Honestly, why should they even care about monetization at this point? They've got a well established fanbase now and they've got a pretty healthy Patreon.

Mike's shitty hipster beers don't buy themselves.