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D.A.D is getting surgery


At least he's eating.
 
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paule said:
I was thinking more of the new outfits and commissions for birthdays/anniversary stuff, no share in profits.

It's kind of amazing that these are real, living people
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Couldn't this be a bot? Tbh these days I can barely tell the difference between a bot and a third world shitter.
Speaking of the queen of vtubing. Ash Again is available on most platforms
Having listened to it for the past few days, this might be my favourite vtuber song + mv of all time. It is just so full of soul and attention to detail. In regards to the mv there are all these small bits and frames to build character and tell a story.
The first frames showing gura getting stabbed by her "other self" and the few frames showing it as a flashback before she attacks gura, gura not stepping on the flower, gura drawing a ship in her room and her other self tearing up the paper, foreshadowing her destroying the ship and so so much more. Not to mention the fight, how does some rando on the internet just completely gap most animation studios. Not just in the technical aspects by using the "camera" creatively and having an amazing fight choreography. But all the stylistic choices. I mean just look at these images. Literally just a single frame. Blink and you will miss it. Yet it's good enough to be a wallpaper.
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The instrumentals are out too. It just evokes this sort of melancholy, it's almost haunting at times. And the way all the strings slowly ramp up for the climax - peak.
At first I was a bit iffy about guras vocals ( and I still feel it's not her best work) but during the climax she really brings out her A game. You can really hear the emotions - just the way she sings "falls though" for example.
There is also the meaning of the song / the mv. It's obviously about her struggles with streaming andperforming (we know its not about her quitting because it was not supposed to be her final project). Still there is enough ambiguity and imagistic language here to get the nogging jogging. Who do the two guras represent, is one her real self and the other her negative emotions? Or perhaps the Atlantean is the real Senna and the other one is just the Character "gura". A few line in particular that stand out to me:
"Voices rise in my head
The hands that pull at my thread
Let them drown, burn it down [...]
As ships sail winds of jealousy, I'll listen carefully
Let it all burn down".
Is this not a direct callout against dramaniggers and grifters? Or is that just me?

TL;dr its just pure SOVL, watch it guys.
 
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Yabbit said:
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I'm out. I absolutely can't stand this annoying faggot.
He unironically ruins every single collab stream for me wherever this disgusting AGP shows up.
I don't know exactly how to describe it, but every time I encounter this disgusting degenerate, I have some sort of physical reaction where my body just tells me to get as far away as possible.
Edit: Considering the fact that the first thing I found out about him when I was looking him up after the first time he was in a collab is that he's a massive sex pest and openly does a lot of VR ERP I think this reaction is justified.
 
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Piava said:
I'm out. I absolutely can't stand this annoying faggot.
He unironically ruins every single collab stream for me wherever this disgusting AGP shows up.
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Holy shit he's still around? I remember seeing him around roflgator like in 2018. VR chat had some of the most disgusting people imaginable.
 
Undercover Commissioner said:
There is also the meaning of the song / the mv. It's obviously about her struggles with streaming andperforming (we know its not about her quitting because it was not supposed to be her final project).
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It wasn't supposed to but if it very well could have been changed to that in the time since, the door imagery toward the end feels pretty spot on and inteded as a nod to her departure especially with that being in the later half of the MV it wouldn't be much of a stretch to say that could have been a direction change made once she was more set on her path, as she said her graduation announcement was a long time coming so it's not like it'd be a last minute change to the MV.

My take on the song and MV basically break into two halves, the first section with her isolated and the second half on the beach. But also just to kind of set where I'm coming from in a lot of this I'll refer back to REFLECT, where we had similar imagery of Gura battling herself etc etc. "Red Gura" was explained back at those times to be the more toxic or angry parts of her personality, and I think the second Gura in Ash Again is carrying on in that sort of theming.

The song opens with Gura in a padded cell looking room, the first set of lyrics go through and reference each of her genmates "Time" (Ame) "The End" (Ina) Flame (Kiara) Death (Mori) while she is in this isolated space, interjected with the "burn it down" lines. We see Gura, although isolated sitting and just doing things she likes, drawing, playing music, etc, but with every "burn it down" it shows the more angry side of Gura destroy those things, tearing up her drawings, smashing her guitar. as the lyrics move on to what seems to point toward the sources of her isolation and anxiety, the pressure and expectations placed on her "they say the memory of me is fading" sounds a lot like what people would say about her the longer her hiatuses would become, criticizing her for wasting her opportunities and position and falling into the background. "Don't tell me everyone around is waiting" again feeling the weight of those expectations, people are waiting on her, could be fans, could be staff, could be friends, but just hating being told that people are waiting on her when she's secluding herself.

The Chorus "and they all say tear it down burn it down, and they'll all pay when I tear it down burn it down" feels like again a line pointed at some things people would say while she was gone, like when people foisted this image onto her that she was the "resistance" to things like Omega and HolostarsEN changing hololive, that she was not streaming in protest and that they wanted her to just go scorched earth and wreck the place. which it then feels like she turns around back on the people demanding it saying they'll be the ones to pay if she does. (like people often call for and demand things without actually understanding or realizing they wouldn't actually like the consequences if they were given exactly what they claim to want)

we then are out in the ruins/beach, 2 guras present, Normal Gura and "red gura" I'll just say because of what I mentioned before it representing her anger/spiteful side ready to flip the table and just destroy to get out of that door and escape those feelings of being trapped, Blue Gura chasing after trying to stop her. This is shown even in small bits of animation like Red trampling over a flower as she walks, and showing Blue following in her footsteps but at the last second adjusting her step to not step on it Red destroys the ships blocking her path and makes for the door and when blue goes to stop her, not wanting her exit to be anger fueled and destructive she's smacked down. From there she's shown being uplifted by her genmates as well as "herself" which are the things she wants to protect in this place even if she feels trapped herself and it gives her the strength to come back and halt her anger. Then just like with Reflect we see that angry half not vanish but just return to her, shown by the fact that after she vanishes, Gura is left standing now in the clothing red was wearing, as she accepts that those feelings of anger were still a part of her and what she wanted she now calmly steps through the door, now leaving on her own terms and not just out of spite and anger.
 
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Thomas Talus said:
The line from Ash Again I'm most curious about is the one regarding "the ones who try to silence thunder."
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"For those who try to silence thunder, I'm the wave that pulls you down and under" Thunder and waves are both forces of nature, who's speaking in that moment isn't exactly clear but it's a line about something that can't be stopped. Just before that we have the line "we swim against the current's aim" and "smoke returns to rain" these are all inevitabilities that can't be stopped.

There's also two nods to corporate control.
"The hands that pull at my thread"
indicating a puppet feeling
"No more hands upon my words, they only speak for me"
Once again indicating that this song was partially written as a final project.
 
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