Kelly Lenza / LividLipids / softbodytendermind / ass_child / photopotamus - "Radical body liberationist”, Intentionally Repulsive, Uber woke middle-aged SJW influencer wannabe, doxed her former therapist for getting WLS, ate her way to heart failure

[Adrenochrome Dreams]

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@On a Journey im a sperg too and very grateful for this off-topic conversation, and for the very informative answers especially @brooky

I have many similar experiences and questions. Since learning about eye contact and the fact normal people can see emotions in eyes I have been desperate to find out more about it and frustrated by how much information I miss.

It also makes me vulnerable as I cannot see predators, I never get chills or whatever. And I’ve seen a serial killer in person.

I study true crime constantly to see if I can draw similarities in their faces. I can’t see it like my long suffering family (forced to watch along with me) can. The only thing I noticed is that murderers tend to have heavy upper eyelids.

Yes, but it's not exactly in the eyes, as much as in the muscles around the eyes. I too struggle with this, but this quiz really helped figure out the concept.

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This guy is suspicious

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This one is panicking

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This one is worried

To me, top guy is squinting in the sun.

Middle guy is pulling a WTF face.

Bottom is tired and slightly sad.

How does anyone ever know whose interpretation is correct?

Sorry for continuing the sperging.


Back to Kelly, I really wish I could see the flatness of a narcissists eyes @MerriedxReldnahc Is it different to psychopath blank eyes?

I don’t think Kelly wholly lacks empathy or morals, I think they are twisted/stunted by her self centeredness, rather than simply absent. She does care, in her own inadequate way. So she is different from someone with anti-social personality disorder (sociopathic/psychopathic).

Another thing to bear in mind is that narcissists need way above-average social skills to hide their awfulness, so they may perceive their own ordinary social-communication abilities as lacking just because they can’t successfully manipulate or charm people all the time.

Autism is a very attractive diagnosis/identity for the narc because there’s a lot of egotistic “superpower” propaganda they can latch onto, plus it gives a socially acceptable explanation for their awfulness.

 

[brooky]

Back to Kelly, I really wish I could see the flatness of a narcissists eyes @MerriedxReldnahc Is it different to psychopath blank eyes?

Colloquially, when people say someone is a psychopath they mean they're extra evil/malicious. So just keep in mind that what we're talking about might not meet the clinical definition of either narcs or psychopaths. Not every psychopath is dangerous, for instance.

But for me, the difference between the flat dead eyes of a narc, and the hard dead eyes of a psychopath is the level of malice. The calculation.

As you say, people like Kelly aren't evil or lacking in morals, they're just self centered and probably kind of dumb. Their flat dead eyes reflect the lack of interior depth and meaning. (Also personally I don't think Kelly's eyes are THAT bad. At least in older photos, they seemed sparklier. Before the reality of motherhood really sank in.)

Real psychos/predators have that, plus the malice. Their eyes aren't just empty, they're black holes. It sounds histrionic, but it's hard to describe clinically because it really is just a feeling.

It's the difference between Peetz and Nader, basically.

But like I said, NT people sometimes fail to pick up on these things to varying degrees, too. That's part of why narcs and psychos can still manipulate them.

How does anyone ever know whose interpretation is correct?

We can't really know, not with 100% certainty. Misinterpretations happen all the time, even between partners who know each other well. Projection happens a lot, too.

The good news is that way more is communicated through body language and facial expressions, which CAN be learned manually.

 

[GloriousScarf]

Kelly has actually been in a really positive and non complaining mood recently.



lol just kidding, she is miserable as always with a side of horny posting.

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shout out from me to me for this email:
"Athena, can you please remind me what I need to complete still? I know I need to do the diabetic plan.
My life has been extra unmanageable the past few weeks and I am struggling to complete things without support. Would it be possible for you to schedule a time to be on the phone with me and we could fill them out?" I'M ASKING FOR HELP AND SUPPORT IN HOME ADMIN AND UNRELATEDLY TO THE EMAIL FOR SUBS TO TOUCH ME AND GIVE ME PLEASURE WHO TF AM I

just got thru therapy and gave a big update. talked about how i think most of my life i have held despair and existential dread in one hand and wonder and existential joy in the other. Not on a scale or progression from one to the other - more like they are layers of a cake. each day is a slice and has both layered on top of one another. it doesn't feel like flipflopping or switching between emotional states, they are happening simultaneously.
also talked about how i am feeling the physical shifting of gears in my brain. in the somatic experiencing model my therapist follows, it's called "emotional wells" i think she said. but basically like, i am feeling the physical change happening in my brain. it's like, all of a sudden i have more oxygen and can breathe a little better. i suddenly have a little more space away from whatever intense feeling i was having. i'm not instantly regulated but i am able to access a more regulated state easier.
the last six months i've basically been speedrunning desensitization training for myself. my anxiety has reduced dramatically around meeting new people, going to new/strange places, and also - the emotional shit is huge. discovering what i really want from myself and different relationships. understanding more of what i need in my life to feel stable and satisfied.
I need touch, warmth, and openness. I need to fuck a lot and experience other physical pleasures. I need radical candor that is also kind and to be able to be radically candid and kind about my feelings and experiences. i need to have fun, and i also need to give care to others. and i need to receive it. i need the earth, i need nature. i need access to medical care and community safety. i need creativity and creation.
i was gonna blab more, but honestly that just feels really good to sit and look at. i am going to leave it here.
lol i lied i'm editing this in: i just want to notice and say how i am feeling so so embodied and alive and more satisfied and feeling better than ever in my life. but i still need supports. i am still disabled. i am succeeding at so much and my life is so good even tho i need a lot of help. i think we should all have the supports we need. i think we should remember that, like my layer cake, you can need supports to have a good and satisfying life and that is ok. my brain was not made to fill out forms.
it isn't a moral failing or ethical quandary to need help with like, all of your life. we are all interconnected. there are supply chains and shit. we need each other, even if we are deeply and contentedly isolated from others, even if it's just because like. you can't grow all your own food yourself.

 

[stupid frog]

Every time Kelly writes out this long screed of bullshit the tl;dr is like one of these memes, where Jesus is asking the most simple shit.


This tl;dr is she desires everything that isn't her family.

 

[LonesomeDud]

Every time Kelly writes out this long screed of bullshit the tl;dr is like one of these memes, where Jesus is asking the most simple shit.
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This tl;dr is she desires everything that isn't her family.

It really is that simple, though. It really is.

 

[That_Ain't_Mayo]

She's "on the road to believing some ppl love me back"? She's married and has children; shouldn't she already know that she has people in her life who love her? (Well, the children, at least.) Is she talking about her random freaky swinger hook-ups? Is that the "love" that is going to heal her? Because if so...ick.

Lots of people would love to have a comfy suburban family life, but this waste of flesh has to measure love and fulfillment in the number of desperate degenerates who are willing to fuck her. Gimme some top hats, because this giant ungrateful idiot just makes me furious.

 

[MerriedxReldnahc]

Careful, Kelly! I read that word too fast and thought it said something else.

 

[LonesomeDud]

She's "on the road to believing some ppl love me back"? She's married and has children; shouldn't she already know that she has people in her life who love her? (Well, the children, at least.) Is she talking about her random freaky swinger hook-ups? Is that the "love" that is going to heal her? Because if so...ick.

Lots of people would love to have a comfy suburban family life, but this waste of flesh has to measure love and fulfillment in the number of desperate degenerates who are willing to fuck her. Gimme some top hats, because this giant ungrateful idiot just makes me furious.

TL;DR: Go eat another Twinkie and cry, Kelly.

 

[Berserker Armor]

I need touch, warmth, and openness. I need to fuck a lot and experience other physical pleasures. I need radical candor that is also kind and to be able to be radically candid and kind about my feelings and experiences. i need to have fun, and i also need to give care to others. and i need to receive it. i need the earth, i need nature. i need access to medical care and community safety. i need creativity and creation.

She shows her narcissistic personality off like its humility but really.. she tells on herself. Needing and wanting is a part of the human experience but Kelly can’t tell a need from a want.
Also did she name drop her therapist or a nurse…?

Lots of people would love to have a comfy suburban family life

This. Just this. I think about how MADE Kelly has it whenever she goes on these rants. just in general. Most people would take that sort of thing and do more what she does. There’s endless possibilities of what she could do. She could still be doing photography without worries. Learn to make healthy meals. Properly homeschooling her oldest daughter. Volunteering in her community. Go to college if she wishes. Lose weight. PTA shit if her daughter’s school has that. Caring for her kids in ways they NEED and clearly carve from her. If she wanted to hone in on her furfaggotry she could easily start making fursuits and make her own money. I mean she made that dodgy hippo one. Making other clothes for other fatties. Exercise. Drawing more than she does. Fuck, getting a job despite not needing to but because she wants to. Not having to worry about how much what she applies for pays because Jerry pays for everything anyway. Yet here we are: Kelly smokes weed, eats, sits on her ass, neglects her kids, whines to her therapist, tugs her pud with furries in discord and has her booty calls at hotels with randoms. Who tf knows what Jerry thinks of her behavior or if he even cares.. with how it sounds he doesn’t care more likely. Which is terrifying.
It’s bleak. If I think about it too hard I get annoyed so I will end this with a Kelly is fat and I wouldn’t have sex with her.

 

[GloriousScarf]

I wonder what Kelly's therapy entails. She's been going for years between this one and the one she reported for fatphobia but it doesn't seem to be helping in any measurable way.
She's as miserable today as she was a few years back, she doesn't seem to have any coping skills besides weed so what is going on in that therapy room?

 

[stupid frog]

so what is going on in that therapy room?

ur feelingz r sooooOOOoooo valid bestie come back next week *cash sounds*

 

[sperginity]

I wonder what Kelly's therapy entails. She's been going for years between this one and the one she reported for fatphobia but it doesn't seem to be helping in any measurable way.
She's as miserable today as she was a few years back, she doesn't seem to have any coping skills besides weed so what is going on in that therapy room?

The therapist gives her language to justify all her shitty behavior. Being a huge bitch is "being dysregulated", getting what she wants is "regulation". In plain language she will be a huge bitch until she gets what she wants. In therapy speak she is emotionally dysregulated and needs self care activities to become regulated again, the passive voice makes it seem like all of this is just mysterious and environmental instead of a series of deliberate choices. I have seen so many chronic therapy patients shop for therapists that help them justify continuing to do the things that make them miserable, and then encourage them to make it worse (by trooning out, opening relationships, taking hallucinogens, becoming estranged from family for dubious reasons, etc). Her demand to "have fun" in her relationships seems especially ridiculous, no one can give her fun, no one can actually take it away.


The only good therapists are ones that call you out for lying or dishonesty every single time you talk to them. They do it as constructively as possible, but they still mostly aim to get you thinking in a way that more resembles observable reality. Such people don't typically have to spend years fixing others, because if you aren't full of shit, it is much easier to get your life in order on your own. If a therapist helps someone ruin their life, and helps justify it, then they have a bunch of forever clients. It is a system that incentivizes making lives worse.

She's "on the road to believing some ppl love me back"? She's married and has children; shouldn't she already know that she has people in her life who love her? (Well, the children, at least.)

Children learn what love is and how to show it through their parents. She is getting her own shitty behavior mirrored right back at her and she doesn't understand why things look the way that they do. One of the saddest examples of this was something i heard from Billy west. As a child used to hit his pets. His dad beat him often, and billy concluded that hitting was part of taking care of something smaller than you.

 

[brooky]

She is getting her own shitty behavior mirrored right back at her and she doesn't understand why things look the way that they do.

If she lives long enough, she'll be one of those parents that just CAN'T UNDERSTAND why their adult children stopped talking to them.

One of the saddest examples of this was something i heard from Billy west. As a child used to hit his pets. His dad beat him often, and billy concluded that hitting was part of taking care of something smaller than you.

Omg that's heartbreaking. Not Billy West!!

 

[thesebeautifulthings]

Hooooooly shit. I came to this thread from Corissa Enneking/Juliana Aprileo and this woman makes those two look glamorous. Genuinely, I was wishing I was back in Kansas rolling J to the basement shower. I can’t believe Kelly never went to Fat Camp before it unceremoniously ended (?) this year. Fur Fest is basically the same thing.

Her Tumblr posts from around p. 575 or so are absolutely some of the most loathsome garbage I’ve ever read on the internet. She shares to the world multiple times how she sleeps in a room with her daughter. And then writes about some galaxy-bending midnight orgasm she had with alien Xeno or whatever the hell it was.

I thought I hated all furries equally but her and her ugly futa hippo fursona take first place. Somehow she has more energy than ever for her online nonsense while her children have visibly declined, one to the point of uncontrolled disease, over the span of something like 3 years. Dragging myself into the current posts knowing I’m facing more of the same—vapid mirror selfies, mild child abuse, and furry porn.

I apologize for the double post but I just caught up to current events. I was searching back through the hundreds of pages of this thread I’ve read recently because I believe that Kelly posted on an old blog about her mother making comments that related Kelly’s weight to being raped. It sounded in that post as if Kelly HAD experienced violent sexual assault. In fact, it made me feel a modicum of sympathy for her because I know plenty of fat women and pooners who chub up after getting raped/abused. However in more recent posts around Fall 2024, Kelly claims she had uncomfortable sexual experiences but nothing she would deem assault. Am I going crazy? I have done some keyword searching but can’t find those damn blog posts where she’s bitching about her mom. TL;DR- Kelly is a narc lying liar who lies.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

Kelly commissioned art of her fursona



She also showed off a shirt she got

 

[stupid frog]

is this bitch seriously playing fortnite

 

[I call shenanigans]

If you’re going to wear a statement t-shirt and take a selfie for the internet, at least flip it out of mirror image.

 

[Cherry Milk]

She's so disgusting. Stop wanking over hippo illustrations and be a parent, fatass.

Give me tophats, this bitch makes me mati

 

[autogynephobia]

T-induced stubble coming in nicely. How existentially horrifying for her daughters.

 

[LonesomeDud]

The cartoon hippo looks like it has body odor.