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That’s true. My go to solution is constant self reflection and dialogue. Always ask yourself if what you believe is true, how long you’ve believed it and how well it accords with reality.

You can never be 100% confident you haven’t been manipulated somewhere into believing something false, but you can at least do mental spot checks to prevent full NPC-dom.

Another rule of thumb I would add is that the instant your opinion aligns with the majority--its time to rethink.

Humans like to fit in, and will do anything to not be pariahs and be outcasts. Blame evolution. Sometimes majority opinions are harmless. It’s not unreasonable that many people will agree on a self evident truth, or even enjoy something popular.

Or maybe your evolutionary instinct to be part of a group was hijacked and you only believe something because most people do. And so do they. But that idea was implanted by someone who is trying to manipulate you, and didn’t occur naturally as you thought.

Often most people are infact wrong.
 
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A group from University of Zurich used /r/ChangeMyView to run a study which involved using large language model bots (archive)
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Redditors, angry that their comments in circlejerk about the current thing subreddit #9845734 could easily be replaced by robots, suddenly become experts in AI and research ethics or something.
Using this logic placebo groups should be told they're being given the placebo in medical research because transparency 🧠
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Not the heckin' publicorino! No, I'm not mad that reddit and other companies do this same sort of testing all the time without anyone's knowledge or consent. You can't use gmail... because you just can't!
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No bad actors have ever thought to bot reddit before!
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WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SUBREDDIT RULES + "I am not a lawyer" (trust me buddy, we all already knew)
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A LLM pretending to be PART OF A MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY (read: 85% of humanity). That's too far!
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A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything
 
Another rule of thumb I would add is that the instant your opinion aligns with the majority….its time to rethink.

Humans like to fit in, and will do anything to not be pariahs and be outcasts. Blame evolution. Sometimes majority opinions are harmless. It’s not unreasonable that many people will agree on a self evident truth, or even enjoy something popular.

Or maybe your evolutionary instinct to be part of a group was hijacked and you only believe something because most people do. And so do they. But that idea was implanted by someone who is trying to manipulate you, and didn’t occur naturally as you thought.

Often most people are infact wrong.
Its best to always have a bit of humble agnosticism about these things-especially for subjects you don't have either personal experience with or haven't actually studied-for example I spent my childhood reading history, and while I am not a professional historian-I have a far better grasp on the broad sweep than most people. So, if someone says "Napoleon fought in the 1848 revolutions with machine guns to kill Hitler"-I automatically know that's utter nonsense.

This isn't the case with say-quantum physics or botany. Someone could be bsing me on these subjects and I will readily admit I have next to no knowledge base to know they are. There's nothing wrong with being confident of your knowledge, but one should always be conscious of its limits.

"I'm honestly not that well read on X subject-maybe this is right, maybe its not"-there's no shame in admitting ignorance. Being honest about your limits means you won't be taken in by people exploiting either your fear or vanity.

One should also be honest about why one believes or disbelieves something-is it out of contrarianism, is there some emotional or irrational need driving your belief or lack thereof, is your identity tied to a belief that you want to be true?

This doesn't mean one has to self abase or stop believing-but no one is without their blind spots and weaknesses, so be honest at least to yourself.

And finally-be willing to actually think, use basic common sense, ask questions, and don't swallow something just because someone says it with either a credential next to their name or they say with it with confidence.

Its not foolproof, and in the twisting seas of constant information warfare you end up feeling exhausted for keeping the effort-but it will ensure you don't become a redditor.
 
It's over, reddit! Optimus and the AI autobots won!
... maybe this time they gave Skids more than two lines this season.
*AI plays 'You Got The Touch"*
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I can't believe nobody posted any of the comments from the AI yet. Redditors got all of the accounts deleted but there are still some archives (basically just the first page of the profile). The archives are all from about a month ago and I don't think there's any way to see if any of the comments were given a delta unless an archive of the actual page with the question exists but I'm too lazy to go that far.
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Almost definitely if a university is admitting they did this study, corporations and governments(spooks) have done studies without ever informing the public likely with far larger sample sizes and across far longer timespans-producing far more accurate and useful results.

In all likelihood there is not a single mass platform that hasn’t been subjected to this. 4chan, Twitter, Facebook, Plebbit, and the rest.

Smaller fora like Kiwifarms-this doesn’t work as well. As users build reputations, and you’d basically need multiple bots working in an environment where manipulation is much harder to disguise(if not impossible).

Everyone here has almost definitely talked too, read or otherwise engaged with a bot(or a human researcher/influencer trying to gauge your beliefs or manipulate them or both).

If you don’t want to be even open to manipulation-you basically need to live as a hermit now in the wilderness with no internet.
Oh I am 100% sure there are attempts to influence opinions here as well. But yeah, much smaller scale/much quicker caught.
 
A group from University of Zurich used /r/ChangeMyView to run a study which involved using large language model bots (archive)
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Redditors, angry that their comments in circlejerk about the current thing subreddit #9845734 could easily be replaced by robots, suddenly become experts in AI and research ethics or something.
Using this logic placebo groups should be told they're being given the placebo in medical research because transparency 🧠
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Not the heckin' publicorino! No, I'm not mad that reddit and other companies do this same sort of testing all the time without anyone's knowledge or consent. You can't use gmail... because you just can't!
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The word "community" has become completely meaningless, example 105943022345
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No bad actors have ever thought to bot reddit before!
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WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SUBREDDIT RULES + "I am not a lawyer" (trust me buddy, we all already knew)
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A LLM pretending to be PART OF A MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY (read: 85% of humanity). That's too far!
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We believe in science! We believe in the method!

No, NoT lIkE tHaT!!!!
 
Redditors are guillible as fuck retard morons, but the bot is WAY better than I expected it to be, considering its experimental too, I think governments/corporations might actually start deploying these for propaganda en mass.
 
A group from University of Zurich used /r/ChangeMyView to run a study which involved using large language model bots (archive)
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Redditors, angry that their comments in circlejerk about the current thing subreddit #9845734 could easily be replaced by robots, suddenly become experts in AI and research ethics or something.
Using this logic placebo groups should be told they're being given the placebo in medical research because transparency 🧠
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Not the heckin' publicorino! No, I'm not mad that reddit and other companies do this same sort of testing all the time without anyone's knowledge or consent. You can't use gmail... because you just can't!
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The word "community" has become completely meaningless, example 105943022345
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No bad actors have ever thought to bot reddit before!
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WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE SUBREDDIT RULES + "I am not a lawyer" (trust me buddy, we all already knew)
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A LLM pretending to be PART OF A MARGINALIZED COMMUNITY (read: 85% of humanity). That's too far!
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Same reason why they hate April's Fools with a burning passion and made it disappear from most media, they think so highly of themselves that falling for things like that is a huge, huge blow to their fragile ego.
 
you want to make AI's hate troons too?

Out of curiosity I really want them to try. How many time more efficient it would be on kiwifarms? Would it be more or less than predditors? Time to place your bet my fellow kiwis!
The thing that makes the study little more than a novelty to me is that they went to "Consensus Central: The website", and then went to "Consensus Central: The subreddit", in essence they taught a bot how to manipulate retards that are already predisposed to consensus (because they use reddit), in the consensus finding subreddit into finding consensus.

It does demonstrate that AI can indeed manipulate the retards of society, but those retards could have been manipulated without AI to begin with.

The most disagreement you can find on reddit is "I think that maybe we should limit 3 day old babies to puberty blockers instead of full blown surgery", and there's very little dissent allowed so its easy to find a bot that hits the sweetspot.

Finding that sweetspot in more wild websites where you're actually allowed to disagree is gonna be considerably harder.
 
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