What is your opinion on the issue of abortion?

[That Johnny Test Whiplash]

Personally, on the one hand, I don't like giving women rights.

On the other, I do like the idea of killing babies.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

on the one hand, I don't like giving women rights.

There's a sinple solution to this. Make it mandatory.

 

[parsnip]

If your own mother doesn't even want you, how much can your life really be worth?

 

[LonesomeDud]

I've changed over time, like most people. When I was younger, I couldn't understand why killing a baby was such a quick option for women. I've come to understand what we call an abortion is medically complex and might occur for a multitude of reasons and variances to whether a person is alive yet, or a person, or whatever depersonifying argument you need to make to argue that allowing laypeople who lean more conservative to cause some women who have a real need in care she more than likely will not be able to legally receive. I think this is completely mishandled, but I would never identify as pro-choice.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

What race is the child?

Human.

It’s barbaric and anyone who practiced it is either spiritually or literally a gay retarded faggot

And their barbarism should be met with equal measure.

Not really, all of the arguments in favor of it are extremely weak given the end result is the premeditated termination of a life and no matter the delusion of disregarding that life or palatable justifications for it, you are still killing a human being who has committed no wrong in favor of another individual's perceived betterment which is objectively wrong.

And it isn't even true that it's done in favor of another individual's perceived betterment, the mother in most cases is murdering her baby out of convenience as a method of birth control, bettering them in no way, shape, or form, and actually degrading them by allowing them to stay as irresponsible, infanticidal sluts.

Life definitively begins at some point, everyone can agree to that. It's the argument over when that point is is the problem

It's only a problem for people lacking even the most fundamental education and common sense; it undebatably begins at conception.

I'm a realist, so I am ready and willing to make concessions. One is allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest.

Defending murdering a baby because it was conceived when the woman said "no" instead of "yes" isn't being a realist, it's being complicit in infanticide with a poor excuse.

The second is some short grace period where abortion is allowed. Nothing is 100% effective in preventing pregnancy unless you want to be carved up like a thanksgiving turkey by a surgeon.

Keeping your legs shut works pretty well.

Third is increased education and access to the various methods of birth control.

Access to birth control is only a good idea until a full abortion ban goes into effect, and even then it should only be accessible to adults. Also, sex education invariably leads to:

teaching kids about gay sex

I will acknowledge there's some hypocrisy where I say abortion is terminating life, then turn around and say there are situations where it's OK.

Well, at least you're one step ahead of the common, disingenuous, retarded liberal by acknowledging this fact.

I can justify that in my head by saying that although the loss of life is a tragedy, there are still situations where it prevents a worse outcome. I might feel bad about killing someone but if they bust down my front door they're still getting pumped full of lead, you know?

Unfortunately, however, your logic is still as poor as a common liberal's. There's no worse outcome than ending an innocent human life, especially at the hands of your own mother betraying you, and a doctor who took an oath to "do not harm". There is no possible worse outcome.

Your analogy doesn't work at all. Your innocent baby you almost certainly willfully engaged in procreation to conceive is not equivalent in any sense to a home invader.

What grinds my gears are the people who act like it's no big deal and not murder at all. You picked yourself over a potential child. That's somewhat OK, just have the decency to accept that fact as a fact and not dance around it pretending that wasn't exactly what you did.

Aside from the "it's somewhat ok" bit, I agree.

I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just think we have such an enormous amount of means to avoid conception that it annoys me that it ever happens outside of purging rape pregnancies, or preventing dysgenic burdens from being born. Do women really need a plan Z when they have an exhaustive list of options immediately following just keeping their legs shut?

There's definitely something wrong with killing babies.

In my ideal society, abortion isn't even an idea, as every child is brought into the world by two loving parents. Unfortunately, I live in a society with niggers, and abortion keeps the nigger population down. I honestly believe abortion should be mandatory for single women on the dole (following the idea of "single" for tax reasons; surviving spouses and heads of household, etc. get a pass).

Aside from the fact that killing niglets is wrong, even if it wasn't it wouldn't be worth the dead White babies.

Sterilization should be mandatory for single women before abortion, if anything.

If your own mother doesn't even want you, how much can your life really be worth?

If a mother is willing to kill her innocent baby, how much can her life really be worth?

I've come to understand what we call an abortion is medically complex

You've come to understand a falsehood, it's just the murder of a baby, nothing complex about it.

 

[Justice Tony]

His Holiness says abortion is bad so I think it is bad. Plus if we banned abortion we'd probably have more retards to laugh at on the site.

 

[dick brain]

I support abortion because it keeps the type of people who support abortion from reproducing.

 

[Osama Bin Laden]

In a perfect world, we wouldn't need abortion. However, my current views on abortion are I'm okay with it if it was born out of incest or rape (why not both?) or if it's a necessary medical procedure, but if you don't fall into those categories, you don't deserve abortion rights.

 

[Meiwaku]

My opinion is I would disappoint my beloved @SSj_Ness (Yiffed)

 

[Chieftain Coke Peanut]

Defending murdering a baby because it was conceived when the woman said "no" instead of "yes" isn't being a realist, it's being complicit in infanticide with a poor excuse.

It's really a lose-lose situation and ultimately it's the mother's cross to bear whatever they choose. What I meant by realist is that in order to ever make changes to the law to restrict abortions you would some defections across party lines and that requires concessions. The things I listed would probably be acceptable to a decent amount of hardliner pro life people while pleasing some pro choice people. Not that it will ever happen in the US though. Abortion is far too sweet a carrot to dangle in front of the masses every single election to give up.

Keeping your legs shut works pretty well.

You know I would say that doesn't work, but each generation is having less sex than the last so give it a few years and it might actually work.

There's no worse outcome than ending an innocent human life, especially at the hands of your own mother betraying you, and a doctor who took an oath to "do not harm". There is no possible worse outcome.

Yeah. At some point people do need to take responsibility for their actions.



If people really wanted to prevent unwanted pregnancies, let men decide whether or not they want to be the father of the child. If every women knew that there was a 0% chance she'd ever see a cent of child support and wouldn't get WIC or food stamps or any support for the child whatsoever, you'd see people tripling up on birth control to prevent accidental pregnancies. The government would never allow this however.

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

Johnathan Swift already addressed abortion in A Modest Proposal.

He has the best approach.

 

[That Johnny Test Whiplash]

In a perfect world, we wouldn't need abortion. However, my current views on abortion are I'm okay with it if it was born out of incest or rape (why not both?) or if it's a necessary medical procedure, but if you don't fall into those categories, you don't deserve abortion rights.

Why does everyone include the incest part? If it was incestuous rape, it's rape. If it was consensual incest, you're retarded.

 

[dick brain]

Why does everyone include the incest part? If it was incestuous rape, it's rape. If it was consensual incest, you're retarded.

TCOAL fan detected.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Life definitively begins at some point, everyone can agree to that.

One is allowing abortion in the case of rape or incest. This one is obvious and I think >90% agree on this point.

I've come to understand what we call an abortion is medically complex and might occur for a multitude of reasons and variances to whether a person is alive yet

@SSj_Ness (Yiffed) answered these exactly as I would have.

In a perfect world, we wouldn't need abortion. However, my current views on abortion are I'm okay with it if it was born out of incest or rape (why not both?) or if it's a necessary medical procedure, but if you don't fall into those categories, you don't deserve abortion rights.

We don't assign value to humans based on how they were conceived. Women do not get special murder privileges because something evil happened to them. It's also extremely impractical. How do we prove a man raped her? By the time a trial is done, the baby is born. If we don't require a trial, suddenly every pregnancy is going to be due to rape.

There is no such thing as an abortion being medically necessary. It's not a medical procedure at all, much less medically necessary. In cases of something like an ectopic pregnancy, the baby is always non-viable. It's not an abortion at that point, but a medically necessary procedure to preserve the mother's health without risking the life of the child.

Nobody deserves abortion rights; definitely not the people unironically chanting shit about bodily autonomy.

ultimately it's the mother's cross to bear whatever they choose

If you're going to default to this, why even comment?

 

[peachlover669]

Why didnt god make some kind of std that got spread to the mother of a dead fetus or something. There must be some physical illness that befalls those who murder children, the mental ailment doesn't work upon todays modern demons.

 

[Yugica]

Abortion is the easiest way to get self-interested and stupid people out of the gene pool. We should subsidize it.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

it disproportionately effects niggers, so i'm ok with it

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

My opinion is I would disappoint my beloved @SSj_Ness (Yiffed)

I'll convert you to a pro-life yet.

We don't assign value to humans based on how they were conceived.

Exactly, the sins of the father don't fall upon you.

Women do not get special murder privileges because something evil happened to them. It's also extremely impractical. How do we prove a man raped her? By the time a trial is done, the baby is born. If we don't require a trial, suddenly every pregnancy is going to be due to rape.

That's a good point, it is rather impractical too. Not only that, but it would encourage false accusations even if you do require a trial, and I don't think gender relations need any more problems.

it disproportionately effects niggers, so i'm ok with it

Silver lining, but even nigger babies don't deserve to be ripped apart alive.

 

[donksmanSupreme42]

Silver lining, but even nigger babies don't deserve to be ripped apart alive.

i respectfully disagree