Culture Even Marvel Knows Its Movies and Shows Need to Be Better - The superhero studio is cutting cutting TV production and fixing its film slate after fans lost the plot

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By Ben Fritz
May 2, 2025 8:00 pm ET

LOS ANGELES—The head of Marvel Studios told colleagues recently that watching all the comic-book giant’s new TV shows and films had started to feel more like homework than entertainment.

The problem, Kevin Feige acknowledged, is that in an effort to satisfy parent company Disney’s hunger for content on its new streaming service, the studio behind “The Avengers” churned out too many movies and shows with interconnected stories.

The deluge of material from the Marvel Cinematic Universe, or MCU, on Disney+ overwhelmed and eventually alienated viewers. It also stretched Feige and his team’s resources thin, diluting the quality of their output. Marvel’s box-office sales, streaming popularity and formerly untouchable position in pop culture suffered.

Now, Feige is leading an internal overhaul aimed at getting the studio back on track. Marvel is making fewer TV shows, with stand-alone stories that don’t require prior knowledge of the MCU. Feige is focused on fixing the studio’s movie slate following recent flops like February’s “Captain America: Brave New World.”

The first major test of his reset arrived this week with “Thunderbolts,” about a team of sidekicks, has-beens and other C-listers who save the world in the Avengers’ absence. Early box office sales indicate it will open to between $70 million and $75 million in the U.S. and Canada this weekend, which would put it in the lowest tier of the company’s releases.

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Still, reviews for “Thunderbolts” have been largely positive. If fans like the film, they’ll likely be primed to see July’s “The Fantastic Four: First Steps.” That movie’s story will lead directly into a pair of “Avengers” sequels in 2026 and 2027 that Marvel needs to be massive hits to restore its former glory.

Feige declined requests for an interview. This article is based on interviews with more than a dozen people who have worked at Marvel or done business with the studio.

Papa Feige​

Feige, 51 years old, is widely acknowledged as the most successful movie producer in modern Hollywood. After starting as an assistant to the producer of 2000’s “X-Men,” he was hired by Marvel that year and rose to become the final decision maker on everything from scripts to casting, editing and visual effects.

Under his guidance, Marvel released an unprecedented string of hits including “Iron Man” (2008), “Guardians of the Galaxy” (2014) and “Black Panther” (2018). Along the way, Marvel was acquired by Disney for $4 billion in 2009.

Its crowning achievement was 2019’s “Avengers: Endgame,” which united the story lines and characters of all 21 films that preceded it and grossed $2.8 billion, a record at the time.

During Marvel’s heyday in the 2010s, Feige was heavily involved in film development. He deployed lower-ranking executives to supervise shooting, then got his hands dirty again in the editing room, often making significant changes and ordering new scenes. His longtime deputy, Louis D’Esposito, had a recurring joke: “We can fix any movie if we shoot it again.”

On 2013’s “Thor: The Dark World,” there were 35 days of reshoots—longer than the entire production of many low-budget films.

Though the studio had a few early duds, Feige’s process worked almost flawlessly for years. Every film Marvel released between 2010 and 2019 was a hit, grossing an average of about $1 billion. Fans loved that each had a distinct tone, but were bound together by an overarching narrative.

The movies were overseen by a small team of creative executives who came to be known as “the parliament.” Most had been with the company since its founding or joined as assistants and were promoted, giving Marvel a family-like culture.

Feige was the studio’s beloved and charismatic dad—a creative genius from whom everyone sought attention and approval.

More MCU​

Soon after “Endgame,” creative staffers began meeting in their office on the Disney studio lot to figure out where the MCU could possibly go next.

In the nearby executive building, Disney’s senior leadership had another priority. Chief Executive Bob Iger was launching Disney+ as his answer to Netflix. He needed loads of new series for it and was counting on Marvel to provide many of them.

“The strategy became just expansion, expansion, expansion,” said a person who worked at Marvel at the time.

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Marvel Studios head Kevin Feige, right, in 2010 with two of his lieutenants: Jeremy Latcham and Louis D’Esposito. Photo: Kevin Winter/Getty Images

Feige recently told colleagues he agreed to the plan because of a zealousness to tell more stories and a desire to be an “excellent corporate citizen.” It turned out to be a mistake.

Marvel’s first two Disney+ shows came in 2021: the time-travel adventure “Loki” and “WandaVision,” which continued the stories of two heroes from “Endgame” in a satirical sitcom world. Both were hits.

But Marvel’s transition from producing a few hours of movie content annually to several dozen hours of streaming shows and films eventually broke down the studio’s processes. A pair of executives oversaw each show, while Feige remained the final decision maker on every significant creative issue, even though there were exponentially more decisions to make each day.

People who worked at Marvel in the early 2020s said it was challenging to secure enough time with Feige to get his feedback. As a result, they sometimes spent weeks on work that proved irrelevant once he weighed in, then found themselves with little time to implement his changes before a deadline.

Desperate staffers resorted to chasing Feige in the halls to get answers.

Long known as one of the most frugal studios in Hollywood, Marvel began spending like crazy. As at other media companies starting streaming services, cost was no object in the race to impress Wall Street with big increases in subscribers. Marvel series made in the early 2020s regularly cost more than $100 million a season and sometimes approached $200 million, because they included A-list actors and costly visual effects.

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‘Marvel fatigue’​

The internal dysfunction began to show in Marvel’s output. Viewers complained that there was too much Marvel content to keep up with and a growing proportion of it felt subpar.

“I loved it for so many years, but after all the TV shows and everything, it just started getting a little confusing and all over the place,” said Leslie Rodriguez, a 23-year-old social-media manager.

Fans rejected big-budget event series like the alien-attack drama “Secret Invasion,” starring Samuel L. Jackson. Shows the company was proud of, including “Ms. Marvel,” about a Pakistani American teenager who gains superpowers, failed to attract many viewers.

In theaters, Marvel’s biggest hits during this period were nostalgia plays that tied up old story lines, such as “Spider-Man: No Way Home” and “Deadpool & Wolverine.”

“Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” was critical to the MCU’s future because it featured the title villain of the next planned Avengers sequel, subtitled “The Kang Dynasty.” But the early 2023 film flopped at the box office and was widely panned.

Employees talked regularly about “Marvel fatigue.” They worried they had created a “no new fans club,” in which people unfamiliar with the state of the MCU couldn’t watch a new release because they’d have no idea what was going on.

Meanwhile, Wall Street’s obsession with streaming growth gave way to a focus on profitability. Iger and Feige began scrutinizing Marvel’s costs and creative choices more closely. At the last second, Marvel decided the script for its vampire movie “Blade” wasn’t good enough and halted production in 2023, while equipment was being shipped to soundstages in Atlanta.

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Heroes from Marvel's heyday: Iron Man, Black Panther and Captain Marvel. Marvel/Everett Collection

When production started on the 2023 film “The Marvels,” the filmmakers got little attention from the overstretched Feige. After “Quantumania” bombed, Feige became more involved, hoping to avoid a second faceplant in one year.

The filmmakers cycled through dozens of versions of a voice-over to catch up viewers with plot points from past movies and series they needed to understand, but it wasn’t enough.

“The Marvels,” which cost around $300 million, was Marvel’s biggest-ever bomb, grossing just $206 million.

More Doom, less gloom​

Since Marvel’s early years, Feige’s parliament has gone to a retreat every fall in Palm Springs, Calif., where they would plan out the future of the MCU.

The get-together in 2023 was somber. Many of Marvel’s movies and TV shows weren’t working. The studio had just laid off employees for the first time in its history.

Parliament members discussed whether they could salvage plans for “Avengers: The Kang Dynasty.” They also talked about a new TV strategy in which shows would have plots divorced from the MCU, making them easier for new fans to understand.

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Marvel’s hit 2021 series ‘WandaVision’ continued the stories of two heroes from “Endgame” in a satirical sitcom world. Photo: Disney+/Everett Collection

The company decided to cut back significantly on TV production. “Quantity, in our case, diluted quality—and Marvel has suffered greatly from that,” Iger said at the New York Times’s Dealbook summit that November.

Marvel is releasing only one or two live-action streaming series annually starting next year, and has already ordered multiple seasons of some so their stories can continue without crossing over to the big screen. A senior executive is overseeing television so Feige can focus on film.

Marvel’s top priority is ensuring the next two Avengers extend the track record of the franchise, which has provided four of the company’s five highest-grossing films. Around early 2024, executives decided to dump Kang and started brainstorming who would make a better antagonist for their next superhero team-up.

Feige had been talking for more than a year to Robert Downey Jr., who played Iron Man and was beloved by fans, about returning to the MCU. They discussed his playing Dr. Doom, one of Marvel’s best known comic-book villains. But they hadn’t determined when or in what film.

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If fans like ‘Thunderbolts,’ which opened this week, they’ll likely be primed to see Marvel movies that follow. Photo: Walt Disney Co./Everett Collection

Marvel executives concluded that Downey was the solution to their Avengers problem. They retitled the 2026 movie “Avengers: Doomsday,” with their biggest star in the title role. Feige also rehired Anthony and Joe Russo, who directed Downey in “Avengers: Endgame.”

Bringing back the talent behind a blockbuster for a sequel is one of the most expensive propositions in Hollywood, but people who have worked with Feige say he likes to go back to people he trusts, particularly in moments of urgency.

To get fans excited about the new plan, Marvel had Downey take off a Dr. Doom mask and reveal himself at San Diego Comic-Con in 2024—a moment that immediately went viral online.

“I saw the whole announcement and, not to exaggerate, I fell to my knees,” Bailey Bowen, a 25-year-old teacher’s aide, said while peeking at the red carpet for the “Thunderbolts” premiere in Hollywood Monday.

In his introduction to the screening that night, “Thunderbolts” director Jake Schreier said: “When I first started on the movie, Kevin said, ‘Make it different.’ ” This weekend’s box-office receipts will show whether that’s what Marvel fans want.

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Robert Downey Jr., in green, revealing that he is to play Dr. Doom during a Comic-Con panel with Feige and directors Joe and Anthony Russo. Photo: Jesse Grant/Getty Images for Disney

In many ways, Marvel has reverted to its strategy from before the streaming boom, as if the past five years had been a bad dream.

As he did when Marvel Studios started, Feige has an expansive vision for his company’s big-screen future. The upcoming Avengers movies are expected to introduce the X-Men, one of Marvel’s most popular superhero teams, to the MCU. Feige has told colleagues he has a 10-year plan for the characters.

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The whole article is a tour de force of Fiege dick sucking. As you say Perlmutter (and his committee) was what built the MCU. Perlmutter is notoriously private to the extent of avoiding being photographed. Fiege very definitely is not and played the role of front man when he was in reality a cog in Perlmutter's machine. Not unlike Victoria Alonso - remember her.

However Fiege believed his own PR, staged his little coup, Iger sided with him, Perlmutter was sidelined as a prelude to ejection and Fiege gained control of Marvel. Look at when Fiege gained control, add a year or so to account for the time taken for decisions to result in films being released and it pretty much matches exactly the decline of the MCU. And yes, it was also bound up in the whole woke thing with Fiege explicitly seeking at least 50% female superheroes and the whole "mantle" thing - the idea that you could replace successful characters with diverse alternatives and no one would notice (more associated with Alonso but Fiege was in charge at the time).

Fiege's PR myth really is incredible. He's regarded as this creative genius when the reality is that he took control of a phenomenally successful operation and destroyed it in no small part via retarded social politics. You can see why Iger sided with him - kindred spirits.
I'm not sure if we should really treat Perlmutter as a genius besides being a great businessman. It was his idea that the X-Men would be more or less scrapped from comics because Fox held the rights. Most infamously he was behind the tv show no one watched Inhumans which was supposed to replace X-Men.

I like to daydream about being a Hollywood tycoon and while I could easily imagine myself not fucking up Star Wars and Star Trek I'm not sure I would have done the MCU better than they did in the 2010s, they were pumping out hit film after hit film. And today I really don't envy them because the MCU has nerdy respect behind it avoiding reboots and respecting the beloved blockbusters. Now so many of the big characters are in a retired limbo.

X-Men continues to be on my mind and I'll give credit for Feige for greenlighting a dumb silly fanservice movie like Deadpool and Wolverine. A more callous producer would have rejected that pitch because now they'll have to wait another several years before they finally recast Hugh Jackman.
 
X-Men continues to be on my mind and I'll give credit for Feige for greenlighting a dumb silly fanservice movie like Deadpool and Wolverine. A more callous producer would have rejected that pitch because now they'll have to wait another several years before they finally recast Hugh Jackman.
He'll be Wolverine until he's 90...
 
They may want to, but there's going to be so many restrictions against them having the freedom to make true classics - politics, SJW's, DEI (still going to be enforced in Peadowood), inept writing, lack of imagination, spoon-feeding the story to people who need to be spoon-fed etc.

I remember there being a video on YouTube in 2020/21, whereby millennial kids during lockdown were doing video responses to old 'classic' albums. Five of them listened to arguably one of the best ever albums - Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side Of The Moon' - and gave their opinions, none of which sadly were positive:

'It goes on too long'
'I can't understand it'
'What is this even about? Should I be worried that this makes literally no sense to me?'
'It's dumb'
'No, just no'


Whereas all of us would enjoy the album for what it is - nearly 45 minutes worth of sheer brilliance.

If these people can't/won't understand something, they'll come up with an excuse not to like it.
 
The box office timeline displayed in the article leans heavily on Deadpool and Wolverine to show some life in the franchise. Seems a bit dishonest.

Technically it's a Marvel movie, sure, but that's not why people saw it. It feels like a whole separate thing, without that lame "last 10 yrs of MCU" stank.

If the MCU still has lots of potential, why do they need to bring back Robert Downey Jr and pay him 80 million dollars?
 
All they had to do was replace the actor. Like ffs. In what world do you throw out your gay little story you've been building for a decade instead of just recasting? Clown world of course.
They weren't able to replace Kang because they had cast the perfect nigger: an offensively ugly zesty gorilla who looked just like Saint Fentanyl.

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Whereas all of us would enjoy the album for what it is - nearly 45 minutes worth of sheer brilliance.
Ok boomer. Dark Side of the Moon is weird to anyone who didn't grow up with it. No one criticizes it though because it's supposed to be "the greatest of all time".

Speak to Me is literally a sample of a heartbeat. On the Run sounds like background music from Tron. The Great Gig in the Sky is just screaming for half of it. A lot of the other songs are also full of random sound effects. The songs carry no connection between them other than that they blend the ends and beginnings together; something that modern music players automatically do for everything. You also can't really sing along to any of them, which makes their sticking power far less than more lyrical music.

Young people listen to tons of old music, but they're not blinded by social pressure from the time and can give an honest opinion of the quality of the work. The songs on the Dark Side of the Moon aren't even the best songs of 1973, let alone all time. I guarantee you that they'll recognize and like a lot of songs on this list even if they can't name them.
 
Feige's a clown. I'll give him credit for sucking up to Avi Arad and the Donner's long enough to see what works and doesn't work in superhero films and passing off the success of others (Favreau, RDJ, even Whedon) as his own. At some point I assume he just started parroting what the BOD told him to do because there's no way he thought making a Captain Marvel film at that stage was a good idea.

As for the films themselves, the writing was on the wall with Avengers 2.5: Civil War. Just an absolute middle finger to WB telling them we can BvS better than you. But it was reactionary, so was Captain Marvel. They skated by with the big finale but it's been mostly misses ever since. And it cultivated one of the worst fanbases of all time. Nowadays I bet those faggots don't even take their Time Heist hoodies out of the closet anymore.

The box office timeline displayed in the article leans heavily on Deadpool and Wolverine to show some life in the franchise. Seems a bit dishonest.

Technically it's a Marvel movie, sure, but that's not why people saw it. It feels like a whole separate thing, without that lame "last 10 yrs of MCU" stank.

If the MCU still has lots of potential, why do they need to bring back Robert Downey Jr and pay him 80 million dollars?

What do you mean "seems", it technically is an MCU film, and they have no confidence which is why Doomsday is loaded with cameos.
 
All they had to do was replace the actor. Like ffs. In what world do you throw out your gay little story you've been building for a decade instead of just recasting? Clown world of course.
Are they going to address why they aren't good right now? Are they even willing to admit they're not baseline good in the first place?

They would have to admit they were wrong.

Back in the day, they could replace Terrence Howard with Don Cheadle. That's when they were less prolific and still "working things out". Now, it's the precision Marvel Machine that is never wrong, never breaks down and can never possibly fail.
 
replaced a good Hulk with Mark "Soy Hulk" Ruffalo.
I've never understood that casting. Ruffalo is ugly, soybased and looks literally retarded. We're supposed to buy him as a genius scientist?

I liked Norton in the role, but he's such a prick they knew he'd cause endless fights with other actors on the set. Norton played "smart" well and had dramatic range. But he asshole-d himself out of a career.
why Doomsday is loaded with cameos.
They should have a checkbox and a special "bong" sound that goes off for each cameo. By the end of big team-up scenes, they can have about 35 big green checkmarks in the corner of the screen. Bong! Bong! Bong!
 
I don’t get how they’re going to do Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom without confusing the hell out of everyone, but I’m sure it’s all going to be how he’s a hecking evil white man who will be defeated by the Fantastic Four Diversity Hires.
Tony Stark couldn't be destroyed by Ironheart, so they needed to finish the job of turning, if not Stark himself, then the character of the guy linked to him.

Really, if Marvel wanted RDJ for Doom, they should have just said, this is the logical end of the MCU. They took the guy who started it all and destroyed him.
 
Without the fake out of End Game no one would have watched stronk wymen stronk at all but hey
Haven't seen the last decade of CapeShit but was curious enough to look up how it ended. I knew they'd replaced the Norse god Heimdall with an African, and Captain American with a woke African, but I laughed out loud when I saw they also put a black woman in charge of Asgard. I guess it reflects what the real-world Scandinavians are doing to themselves.

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I don’t get how they’re going to do Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom without confusing the hell out of everyone, but I’m sure it’s all going to be how he’s a hecking evil white man who will be defeated by the Fantastic Four Diversity Hires.
It's just going to be multiverse bullshit. In the comics, when Dr Doom wins, his plan usually ends with earth becoming a utopia, so they're probably going to go with 1 Tony Stark going off and rails and becoming a fascist.

Honestly, whole thing is just them banking on RDJ's star power bringing ppl back to the mcu.
 
It's just going to be multiverse bullshit. In the comics, when Dr Doom wins, his plan usually ends with earth becoming a utopia, so they're probably going to go with 1 Tony Stark going off and rails and becoming a fascist.

Honestly, whole thing is just them banking on RDJ's star power bringing ppl back to the mcu.
They paid the fuck off rate to RDJ.
 
Really, if Marvel wanted RDJ for Doom, they should have just said, this is the logical end of the MCU. They took the guy who started it all and destroyed him.

Its more that the logical ending of the MCU is that all the popular white men characters are the real enemy who has to be defeated.
 
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I don’t get how they’re going to do Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom without confusing the hell out of everyone, but I’m sure it’s all going to be how he’s a hecking evil white man who will be defeated by the Fantastic Four Diversity Hires.

It doesn't have to make sense. The hardcore fanbase wasn't particularly intelligent to begin with, those who are left are the bottom of the barrel.
 
They would have had more success with Captain Marvel, if they used the original Ms Marvel setup.
Seriously. The original Ms. Marvel was a no-nonsense Spec Ops agent that used to run missions with Weapon-X era Wolverine and Nick Fury before she got her powers.

They changed her to a girlboss with a bootleg version of Hal Jordans (Green Lanern) origin story.

The crappy part? There's better stories they could have adapted from the comics. Instead, they went with the DIE storyline that killed the comics scene in 2015... a year before the fateful 2016 election.

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And now, they're dying. They deserve everything happening to them. Also, I'd like to think the pozzed comics are what helped make people vote for Trump and make history.

There was literally a leaked meeting from Disney execs, posted on 4chan shortly after Endgame, where they were bragging that they were going to have "An Avengers with no straight white males by 2024" as their goal.

Somehow, the morons who killed the comics by pushing that shit into them not only still had jobs, but had been moved into it's movies division. They're dead-set on bringing their terrible diversity replacements over to ruin the movies and Disney execs are all for it to fill their DEI agenda.
 
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