2023 Israel-Palestine Armed Conflict

[Random Internet Person]

 

[Surfin Terf]

I always wondered why Hezbollah is so arrogant with this. Hamas will continually claim that every fighting age male killed in Gaza is a doctor/reporter/teacher/whatever and there's no publicly facing Arabic "version" to counteract this, from what I've seen.

Maybe this isn't a new thing, but recently they seem to be claiming that even though these are their fighters, they are illegitimate targets because they weren't actively engaged in attacks. There was a case a couple months ago where Israel wiped out an armed group of Hezbollah fighters illegally south of the Litani and they literally tried to claim that it was illegal because they were just hunting (with pistols I guess).

A "humanitarian" ship carrying aid for Hamas was mysteriously attacked near Malta last night. The ship is taking on water and the 30 Hamas supporters on board are hysterical:
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I don't know, 2,000 kilometers seems like a long way for an Israeli drone to fly...
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Break the siege

Totally civilian. Totally humanitarian.

You know, I think that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is completely indefensible, but I would never ever even think of sabotaging Russian military equipment/operations and then claiming that they can't attack me.

Oh and shiba farms is literally 5 acres by 15 acres.

An acre is a unit of area. It is (according to Wikipedia) 9000 x 2500 meters which is about 5,000 acres, a little more than 20 sq km or a little less than 10 sq mi

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Maybe this isn't a new thing, but recently they seem to be claiming that even though these are their fighters, they are illegitimate targets because they weren't actively engaged in attacks. There was a case a couple months ago where Israel wiped out an armed group of Hezbollah fighters illegally south of the Litani and they literally tried to claim that it was illegal because they were just hunting (with pistols I guess).

All those groups do it. To the English west they were all "good boyz who didn't do nuffin wrong" and to the internal arab media (who knows what's actually going on) it's "glory to the martyr (hmm what is making you a martyr, which religion are you dying for )" our brave soldier died fighting the yahood (literally Jew in Arabic). And then they publish posters And photos of them in hamas/Hezbollah/pij gear holding a gun. Seriously when you join these organizations the first thing you do is take that photo for when you die. These groups have zero issues using children and teenagers because then they can claim that those who killed them are child murders. There's a reason why the US military let's you join at 17 (with parent permission) but won't deploy you until your 18. Or how you heard stories of young children lying about their ages.


And when the arabs claim that "da jooz do the same" I implore you to watch Wednesdays memorial day/independence day ceremony (in Israel the holiday goes memorial Day then the next day is their Independence Day). The whole ceremony revolves around continuing on after death and how while what happened was sad, it allowed us (jews) to live on as an enteral people and continue our existence. The transition into independence day is to have the idea that "our sacrifice brought us this freedom". There is zero mention of how "we crushed our enemies or Jewish,/Israeli supremacy or our enemies died in valor" like how the arabs/communists/facists like to do. Instead it's "my death was tragic, but do not worry my death was not in vain, I died so we can have a future, use my memory and death to build and grow". It's two very very different mindsets.

My belief is that this relates to how each group views the afterlife. Israel/the Jews don't focus much on it, there is a "hell" but it's less "eternal fire brimstone/torture" and more a transition place where you're sins are "burned off" and you come face to face with the person you could be (if you did everything correctly/reached your potential) and then you are sent into God (and the more righteous you were the closer you are to him (like the good seats at the stadium) but the less righteous the farther away you are (like bleacher seats) or some Jews believe your soul is reincarnated until it's ultimately completes whatever mission it was "sent out" to do). I probably am wrong somewhere and a more knowledgeable Kiwi can educate me, but the point is that in Judiasm death is not the most important thing and that God is the God for all people, but he expects more from the Jews because they chose to accept him (aka the chosen people. chosen by God to do extra work and be scrutinized more because it's our job to be the moral example and end polytheism. But everyone (jew and non jew) has an equal chance at going to heaven (assuming you follow the 7 noahide laws). As such the focus is the here and now and next generation. God is singular everywhere and is your father, nothing is above him or done without his knowledge. and his anger is that a father has for his son. God punishes when we (as a collective and as a person) have done wrong and rewards both immediately and in subtle ways. If the Jew does good then people will want to act like the Jew (both in monotheism and in moral action).


Islam actually has a concept of hell and it's fire and brimstone and the afterlife is very very personal. If you're a good person and you follow the direct words of God, you get 72 virgins. If you don't you're going to Hell where you get butt raped all the time. Your in Islam your actions directly lead to your butt rape or not. In Islam God your principle-king. He picks and chooses and finally decides all. Your job isn't to be the example your job is to follow orders aka why islam means to submit. For the Jew, where as Israel/Jacob mean "one who wrestles with God" the Jew is expected to and wanted to be the one who wrestles with God and humanity. Like the child who has to figure out how to follow their parents teachings AND survive and thrive in the world. It's a wrestling match between desires and

Totally civilian. Totally humanitarian.

You know, I think that the Russian invasion of Ukraine is completely indefensible, but I would never ever even think of sabotaging Russian military equipment/operations and then claiming that they can't attack me.


An acre is a unit of area. It is (according to Wikipedia) 9000 x 2500 meters which is about 5,000 acres, a little more than 20 sq km or a little less than 10 sq mi

 

[YouTube Autist]

It's a wrestling match between desires and

Did Hezbollah get you?

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Did Hezbollah get you?

I will have you know that Israel is now BADrael. GLORY TO NASRALLAH *random jhadi noises*

Nah I was phone posting and something screwed up. I was trying to write:

It is a wrestling match between desires and doing what you know (because it came from God) is right. Long story short, Islam is a religion where you don't question the orders, you execute them, while Judaism is a religion where all you do is question the orders, so you can also execute them, but at a deeper meaning. It's like using a calculator to solve a complex math problem vs knowing the theory behind it. The problem with this is that it easily leads itself to extremism because all you need is one charismatic guy or bullshit argument/justifcation that makes sense at face value. Suddenly you're strapping bombs to yourself. Judaism is not the religion if you like simple answers and simple directions; it just isn't made that way. Islam, on the other hand, is. I like to point to how both religions view royalty. Under Judaism having a king wasn't an ideal goal, it was something that we (the Jews) begged God to give us because we believed we couldn't get our shit together without it if you read the text, it's one of reluctant annoyance but this tracks because the Torah is filled with people who doubt themselves CONSTANTLY. God also makes a point to say that appointing a king (even if he signed off on it) is paramount to rejecting him (because God is the ultimate king and in him you should trust etc etc). Furthermore under Judaism the head of the religion (Cohens-desendents of Aaron, brother of Moses) the king (chosen by the people but signed off by God (through his prophets) who lead the country in times of war) and then the sanhedrin which was in many was similar to our congress, but focused on the interpretation of torah law, judicial manners and passing of new laws (barring the do not go against the torah). In short under judaism the powers of the religion (and the country, because let's remember Judaism is both the religion and the laws of the Jews-hence why Jews are a "nation" and everyone else is referred to as "other nations" or "gentiles"/goyim- literally anyone who is a forigner aka not Jewish aka not subject to Jewish law), as such Judaism "separates and spreads" out power, similar to the US system (not shocking considering the founders took inspiration from it- but they also took inspiration from other areas too). Under Islam (and Islamic teachings) God gives kings the power to determine how and when sharia is enforced. Islam has a system similar to the mandate of heaven, where they're power exists if the Muslims think he is enforcing Sharia well enough and if he is not then the people have the right to overthrow him. So while he doesn't make the rules, you end up with a guy who has the ultimate power (because he determines if the law was broken or not) so what you end up with is the strongest guy in the room inventing some linage to Mohammad so they can claim divine right. But ultimilty Islam ends up being a religion where power is for the most part "unchecked". Sure in theory the king is in power due to the right of the people, but he also can change how laws are interpreted. It promotes a form of helplessness which excludes them from all bad, allows them to be all victims and the despensers of all good. Because if you're following a person who you consider the just decider of sharia law (aka the law of the land which God gave to mohmmand exactly as Mohammad says it is, no questions) then how can you be wrong?


While in Judaism, the massive separation of powers both politically and religiously, and the power to enforce the religious law being in the hands of the people (you can read about it here) you end up with more interaction as an average person. Sure the major flaw is how open to corruption it is(click here to read about islamic court law)


So ultimately, what this means is that at the end of the day, Muslims believe that anything they do is correct because one guy oked it and thus after looking at the books its ok because"God told them its ok". While in Judaism, what is correct only comes a consensus and even then it is rarely a black and white answer. This is why Muslims always have a yes or no/good or evil answer to EVERYTHING. While in judaism you all shades and in between. Sure it was good, but was it the right way to do it etc etc etc. Again the most religious Jews who emphadic about restoring Talmudic (Jewish religious law) to Israel tend to be very lerneded and can point to examples. Those settlers who beat up random Palestinians are quite well versed in halaka (jewish law) and cannot be described as "under educated" or stupid. However the Muslims that attack Christians or woman because they said that Mohammad is a pedo or because she gave head once tend to be completely uneducated in their faith.


In short Muslims claim they are right because their religion allows them to confidently claim and believe it. Jews don't because our religion does not promote unquestionable answers (barring a set number of things), instead promotes study and understanding.

If I were to make a lose political analogy: Jews are like Americans, we might disagree on how the constitution should be interpreted, we all agree to follow it and belive it is the final word of the country. Islam is like the British political system, sure there are courts and what not, but if the king (as he is (according to the anglicans) the divine chosen person by God to see his rules are executed) says it is a certain way, well that's what it is regardless of the manga carta or anything document. He alone has the right to decide if it goes against the bible.

Between you and me, I would rather my hands be not in a single person, but a consensus of my peers knowing that it spands all interpretations.

Sorry for the autism post, I am avoiding doing something by autsim posting.


To bring it back on topic, the IDF has been calling up reservists, it seems like the IDF is doing a big push in Gaza soon.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Islam is a religion where you don't question the orders, you execute them, while Judaism is a religion where all you do is question the orders, so you can also execute them, but at a deeper meaning. It's like using a calculator to solve a complex math problem vs knowing the theory behind it.

Many converts to Judaism say that they were first attracted by the fact that God commanded Jews to question everything from every possible angle, even (especially) angles that make one feel uncomfortable. Those converts were raised within religions where it was verboten to question anything and found it refreshing to be encouraged to do so. The flip side of this is that some Jews raised religious (i.e. learning Torah from age three or younger) get exhausted by the constant questioning and just want to be told what to do, without having to examine multiple sources or have the kind of exchanges that make the yeshiva atmosphere one of intense and passionate debate.

This is very relevant to the war and the entire Israel situation insofar as the anti-Israeli side predicates much on their assertion that “We’re just challenging authority. Why isn’t anyone allowed to criticize Israel?” Which is hilariously detached from reality, as anyone who is even a tiny bit familiar with Israelis would know. Literally 100% of the population “criticizes Israel” at all times. To the point where the months leading up to October 7 were dominated by internal strife over judicial reform. And that’s just one of the many policies that are constantly being criticized and ripped to shreds.

It still floors me that people who say such evidently untrue bullshit have such a following, until I remember that most people aren’t as interested in truth as they are in seeing their least favorite people (whoever they may be) suffer.

 

[pistolwhipped]

The (former) Tel Al-Sultan and Shaboura neighborhoods:

Guys it’s fiiiiine just a bit dusty. Just blow the dust off

Long story short, Islam is a religion where you don't question the orders, you execute them, while Judaism is a religion where all you do is question the orders, so you can also execute them, but at a deeper meaning.

Eh. This is a bit anecdotal, but I’ve found that it can depend on the sect. I’d like to have the rabbi who sniffed my formerly hasidish friend’s underwear at the end of each month in order to make sure “her period was over” to explain the Talmudic background behind that practice. My friend really wasn’t able to question much of the Halacha.

Which is hilariously detached from reality, as anyone who is even a tiny bit familiar with Israelis would know.

Deadass. Do the tards who say that genuinely think no Jews or Israelis criticize the Israeli government? Do they actually genuinely think that? So stupid

 

[EyeGuy]

Two IDF soldiers were killed and another two were wounded by a booby-trapped tunnel shaft in southern Gaza’s Rafah Saturday, the military announces.

The slain troops are named as Cpt. Noam Ravid, 23 from Sha'arei Tikva and Staff Sgt. Yaly Seror, 20, from Omer. Both served in the elite Yahalom combat engineering unit.

According to an initial IDF probe, the Yahalom soldiers, operating under the Golani Brigade, were scanning the entrance to a tunnel inside a building, when they were suddenly hit by an explosion.

One of the wounded soldiers is listed in serious condition while the other is moderately hurt.

In another incident yesterday, a reservist with the Jerusalem Brigade's 7007th Battalion was seriously wounded in northern Gaza. The circumstances of his injury are still are under investigation, the military says.

 

[Chemo]

Again the most religious Jews who emphadic about restoring Talmudic (Jewish religious law) to Israel tend to be very lerneded and can point to examples.

Those settlers who beat up random Palestinians are quite well versed in halaka (jewish law) and cannot be described as "under educated" or stupid.

Thanks for clearing that up and clarifying it for me. The last thing I'd ever want is to be beheaded by uneducated bigots. If I'm earmarked for the guillotine, then I demand to be accused and sentenced by educated people. Imagine getting your head severed by illiterate itinerants in the current year; the mortification of it is such that death would be a reprieve from the shame. If I'm going to be accused of idolatry, then I want educated hilltop yoof and an unimpeachable Sanhedrin calling for my head to be separated from my shoulders like a civilised person.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

oh ok thanks for clarifying. I've never been to a mikveh on the account I'm not a woman. So why would a woman present her underwear to a rabbi why not a rabbis wife or the attendant? Also is this a normal thing for religious woman to do or something only the most "extreme" do (the underwear thing).

In the past there weren't so many women educated in the laws to do it. So she'd give her underwear to her husband, he'd show it to the rabbi, and the rabbi would get back to the husband, and he'd tell her. A rabbi's wife is just a rabbi's wife. She's not necessarily educated in this specific area of Jewish law. She probably has 5+ kids and her own life.

In the last 30 years or so there's been a push to educate women to do this so women can go to other women with their questions.

You don't show the attendant because you don't make your appointment for the mikveh until you're sure that you're going. And again, the attendant isn't necessarily an expert in this. The skills that make a good mikveh attendant don't involve being particularly learned in the laws of niddah. You want someone who is friendly, puts people at ease, that kind of thing.

It's something that anyone does if she is unsure. Women generally do it only when they're early in their marriage though, because older women know what to look for.

 

[EyeGuy]

Houthi missile hit Ben Gurion airport, several lightly wounded:

 

[moocow]

Houthi missile hit Ben Gurion airport, several lightly wounded:
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Holy shit is David Cross okay? What's he doing there anyway?

 

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FA:

Houthi missile hit Ben Gurion airport, several lightly wounded:
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FO:

 

[Twix Eatr]

He was trying out for Jew Man Group.

 

[YouTube Autist]

Hs anyone here read "One Day in October," compiled by Yair Agmon and Oriya Mevorach?

This is very relevant to the war and the entire Israel situation insofar as the anti-Israeli side predicates much on their assertion that “We’re just challenging authority. Why isn’t anyone allowed to criticize Israel?” Which is hilariously detached from reality, as anyone who is even a tiny bit familiar with Israelis would know.

I think this is an effect of people becoming adjusted to the climate inside their cultural bubble. In your bubble, you may always get patted on the back for observing what an evil genocide country Israel is. This becomes the baseline experience for you. Then you venture outside your bubble and declare Israel an evil genocide country and people call you an idiot. You feel abused and persecuted. You think, "I'm not being allowed to criticize Israel, those people are censoring me," when in fact you're just receiving pushback, the same pushback that a Zionist would receive if he expressed his thoughts within your bubble.

It's like people who accuse the NYT of being a Zionist mouthpiece. They're so used to hearing "Israel is 100% bad" all the time that when the NYT tells them "Israel is 80% bad" what they hear is "Israel is good."

If you spend all your time in a 90-degree heat, you're going to start shivering as the temperature approaches 70.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

https://x.com/AmitSegal/status/1919359367444381918

In a statement on the IDF's expanded operations in Gaza, a security source says:

- A central component of the plan is widespread evacuation of the entire Gazan population from combat zones to areas in southern Gaza

- Unlike in the past, the IDF will remain in any area that it conquers, to prevent terrorists returning. Once these zones are under military control, the IDF will handle them according to the "Rafah model," where it will become part of an IDF buffer zone, inside which all threats will be eliminated.

- The halt on humanitarian aid coming into Gaza will continue, and will only restart after the expanded operations begin and Gaza's civilian population has been evacuated to the south. To prevent aid from going to Hamas, the IDF will create a sterile area from which aid will be distributed.

- Israel is still willing to see if Trump can achieve a hostage release deal during his upcoming visit to the region.

- The voluntary transfer program for Gazan civilians is part of the operation's goals.

israel is trying the revolutionary new move of actually holding onto territory it captures instead of capturing, relinquishing, and capturing again

“We’re just challenging authority. Why isn’t anyone allowed to criticize Israel?” Which is hilariously detached from reality, as anyone who is even a tiny bit familiar with Israelis would know.

there's a reason why the process of Just Asking Questions is referred to as JAQing off. somehow people who Just Ask Questions always have a certain bias and all come to the same endpoint of hating Israel/Jews and denying the holocaust

hasbarites are equally retarded sometimes tho, we literally have brianna wu doing a publicity tour of Israel now soyfacing about muh yemenite rockets

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

I saw last night a rumor that they were going to hold on to Gaza this time. Guess the rumor was correct.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The question is what do they intend to do with the Gazans if the intention is to fully annex the territory. Egypt probably shitting itself at the though Israel may go ahead with expelling the Palestinians. I don't necessarily see that as happening but it's still a possibility

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

This has probably been asked before, but why not ship Gazans to the West Bank? The "Palestinians" would still be in "Palestine" (so it's not really "deporting" per se) and now every Palestinian would be in one contiguous area, making them easier to face/deal with?

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

what do they intend to do with the Gazans if the intention is to fully annex the territory.

mass deportation/hamas rump state in rafah. israel is going to permanently occupy north/middle gaza and leave the south as a palestinian zone

why not ship Gazans to the West Bank

because west bank is more radicalized than gaza and hamas is trying to gain a foothold there. You would just be moving hamas to the place where they would be most effective.