Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

[mindlessobserver]

Ukraine is going to win the information war if Republicans keep doing this unironically
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Fuck off. Republicans have been in this thread since day one. You euro faggots need to stop shooting shot gun blasts at the internal political dynamic in the USA. You don't understand what you are talking about, you come off as retards by trying to pretend you do, and it does nothing helpful. Which makes you the worst kind of retarded faggots. Which is what you are @Frederica Bernkastel. Not just a Retard. Not just a Faggot. Not just the worst. The Worst retard faggot.

 

[Mound Dweller]

Fuck off. Republicans have been in this thread since day one. You euro faggots need to stop shooting shot gun blasts at the internal political dynamic in the USA.

The Ulcerated Sphincters of Arse-erica may well be a deeply complicated rectum, but it doesn't matter how manner layers of colon there are when you've got the whole "imperial presidency" shctick going. Whatever orange nigger or his current catamite favourites are sharting out of their mouth-butts via twatter is what we mere humble euros are gonna base our counter sperging upon. Like it or not; the zeitgeist says you've all got sloppy second putin cummys on your cheeto stained lips. Suffah our strongly worded xeets, amerirepublidog.

 

[mindlessobserver]

The Ulcerated Sphincters of Arse-erica may well be a deeply complicated rectum, but it doesn't matter how manner layers of colon there are when you've got the whole "imperial presidency" shctick going. Whatever orange nigger or his current catamite favourites are sharting out of their mouth-butts via twatter is what we mere humble euros are gonna base our counter sperging upon. Like it or not; the zeitgeist says you've all got sloppy second putin cummys on your cheeto stained lips. Suffah our strongly worded xeets, amerirepublidog.

And so we reach the intractable impasse. Sad. Not really anything more to say really. I'm done here. Whether Ukraine burns or not is no concern of mine, and no child of mine and none of my money will go towards it. I also intend to actively vote and agitate against any further American involvement in European wars. I won't be able to go to the other thread, since I am banned there, but c'est le vis. Tscuss and all that.

 

[Fuck It We'll Do It Live]

Buk-breaking, courtesy of HIMARS:

HIMARS GMLRS destroyed Russian Buk-M2 SAM system, Donetsk [12 Apr 2025]

 

[otherdispair]

Strelkov has been doom posting again.
the main points
a) the summer offensive will fail. The russians can reduce a couple of positions every week and take a few villages but they can't force the goals of the SMO trough force of arms.
b) there will be no truce. He thinks that the US is leading russia along on a wild goose chase to buy time for Ukraine.
He devolves in his usual blabbering about how the US is treating the russians like the indians.
c) he thinks NATO forces will start to fight for Ukraine. Specifically he thinks that NATO air power and AA will be used to help defend Ukraine's airspace first and then gradually get fully involved.
d) he believes that Ukraines corss border raids are ment to keep russian forces distracted from the main push and spread out.
e) he's a bit passive agressive over the official announcement that jes the Norks have been fighting for the russians. His main gripe is that in holding back officail confirmation when the whole world know it just looks silly. And I think that he hints at underming russians trust in their officails.

The interesting between the lines subtexts is that he believes that the russian state and elites haven't done enough to bring russia on a full war footing and blames this in part in them being strung along by Trump.
I'd credit this more to his general kremlin skepticism.
But more importantly he touches on the russians being unable to generate enough decently trained men to carry out large scale and sustained operations. We know that Ukraine has been struggling to adequately train all of it's recruits. But that russia hasn't been able to fix it's own training issues is still worth noting. The have the infrastructure, training cadres and one would assume time to get their troops trained.
I believe this show a combination of three things.
1) russia is facing manpower problem, it can replentish losses but not get enough of a buffer to do proper training.
2) russia feels that it has to keep pressure up, this would explain why he thinks that the US would want to buy time for Ukraine
3) the training level of russian conscripts is probably prety shit aswell. Considering most of them men singing up (or being signed up) have done their military service already.
Russian training standards being low would be a major issue for them. While you don't need a high level of training to carry out the current infiltration in small groups that the russians are doing.
But you defentivly need it for exploitation and mobile warfare. If the russians don't have a competent reserve force then all they will be able to do is to keep slowly grinding away. They might win this purely atrittional war in the end, but it will take time. Time they probably don't have, men they can't spare and equipment they don't have.
It would also mean that the million ish men undergoing their mandatory military service are also shit and unable to conduct mobile warfare. So they aren'tthe russian ace people assume them to be.

 

[No. 7 cat]

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Trump presumably on account of Putin's relentless fuckery seems set on helping Ukraine, so as of now I don't see the politics of the US as the most relevant to the thread, but regardless I like this AI vid above. It does represent the strangeness of these times well. It mocks all the big boys.

A video by Adam Kinzinger, former GOP Congressman who is not exactly a Trump superfan might offer a prospect of more acidic politics, but instead it provides a fairly straightforward counter to the insane who think Russia is winning having suffered a million casualties for a thin strip of land. Kinzinger asks would the US have been regarded as the victor in Iraq if it had taken a similar strip of land only and suffered such losses.

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Ukrainian marines, using drones, destroyed a number of Russian assault groups near the village of Basivka, Sumy region.

p..81 on Insta, a Swedish veteran of Afghanistan, Liberia, Kosovo and Ukraine

This YouTube video by 'Spartan' gives an idea of how a Ukrainian operation works with a Bradley drawing fire while carrying Ukrainians to clear a Russian village position from which they then withdraw.

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[Ego]

@World in Scarlet we miss you here, we got only the most retarded of retards here now.

 

[Rezza]

Xi is 100% going to move on Taiwan in 2027 or 2028. They are rehearsing it right now.

However, we also sold Taiwan F18s and Harpoon missiles.

Late and unrelated, but 2028 is my calculation as well. Specifically, after the Olympics and just before the election.

Contrary to what people thought in the west, Xi LOVES symbolisms, and he would not pass up the chance of beating the US in the Olympics right at their own soil. Imagine the propaganda coup that would be for Communist China whose entire national myth is based around "Century of Humiliation". They will also most likely use the election as a moment to temporarily paralyze reactions and decisions against their invasion, since now a lot of policymakers around the world are convinced the 2028 election will be a chaotic mess.

This is why Xi probably doesn't want the war in Ukraine to end soon, because they know it's a very nice distraction and resources bleed to give them time and advantages for their inevitable invasion. He probably won't care if Russia would end up destroyed in the end, so long as they continue to keep the west tied up in Ukraine

 

[Least Concern]

I'm definitely on the side of thinking that the CCP will try harder at cultural and political change to retake Taiwan than military invasion, and watching this war in Ukraine is probably a big factor in that - turns out people will fight pretty fiercely for their homeland, even if the numbers game says they have no chance of winning. Plus, if there was enough political change in Taiwan that the legitimate government votes on its own accord to return to the homeland, well, that's democracy in action, right? No need for sanctions from foreign governments over that. It sounds far-fetched but it sure seems to me like it'll have a far better chance of success than outright invasion, even if support from foreign governments is no stronger than what Ukraine is getting, and the CCP is nothing if not patient. Between becoming a pariah country and risking internal unrest as they send their population off to die for some token clay and exerting more subtle cultural and political influence while continuing to make assloads of money, I think the choice is easy for the CCP.

But then again, the world is cruel and illogical, and politicians have no problems sacrificing the people they "serve" to feed their own egos and bizarre desires to be remembered annals of history no matter the costs to others, so feel free to quote this laughing at me in three years after the PLAN establishes a beachhead.

 

[N Space]

Whether Ukraine burns or not is no concern of mine, and no child of mine and none of my money will go towards it.

You pay taxes don't you?

 

[Rezza]

I'm definitely on the side of thinking that the CCP will try harder at cultural and political change to retake Taiwan than military invasion, and watching this war in Ukraine is probably a big factor in that - turns out people will fight pretty fiercely for their homeland, even if the numbers game says they have no chance of winning. Plus, if there was enough political change in Taiwan that the legitimate government votes on its own accord to return to the homeland, well, that's democracy in action, right? No need for sanctions from foreign governments over that. It sounds far-fetched but it sure seems to me like it'll have a far better chance of success than outright invasion, even if support from foreign governments is no stronger than what Ukraine is getting, and the CCP is nothing if not patient. Between becoming a pariah country and risking internal unrest as they send their population off to die for some token clay and exerting more subtle cultural and political influence while continuing to make assloads of money, I think the choice is easy for the CCP.

Feel free to quote this laughing at me in three years after the PLAN establishes a beachhead.

People said the same thing about Russia and Ukraine, look where we are now. The one crucial thing that people forgot is the variable called "the demographic crisis". To call it disastrous for China is an understatement, it's absolutely apocalyptic. And the central government knows they can't afford nor willing to fix the root causes of the crisis, the former because it would took too much time and resources, while the latter means admitting mistakes hereby losing legitimacy.

Why does it matter? Because once the true horror of the crisis kicks in around 2030-2040, it will absolutely wreck havoc on both the economy and society of China. If they want to do something, they have to do now before everything went to shit. Which is why the invasion is inevitable.

That's also why Putin invaded Ukraine. Because of the pandemic, he knew Russia is destined for the same fate as China if not much worse. They too have a demographic crisis like China after all. He thought he had to act now before Russia lost its fang, and coupled that with his Covid paranoia, the die was cast

 

[R00T]

And so we reach the intractable impasse. Sad. Not really anything more to say really. I'm done here. Whether Ukraine burns or not is no concern of mine, and no child of mine and none of my money will go towards it. I also intend to actively vote and agitate against any further American involvement in European wars. I won't be able to go to the other thread, since I am banned there, but c'est le vis. Tscuss and all that.

You have no spine and have such a microscopic view of the world I almost pity you. No one will miss you and your sperging about empire building when the one you swear is emperor was the former face of WWE.

This YouTube video by 'Spartan' gives an idea of how a Ukrainian operation works with a Bradley drawing fire while carrying Ukrainians to clear a Russian village position from which they then withdraw.

wow crazy stuff with the coordination. Interesting to see it work successfully. I'm always stunned at how soldiers train to operate in such high stress situations effectively. Several KIA upon the Bradley finally giving up, and the SAM launcher taking a hit but still kicking. Outside of that very little failure present. Quick and effecient in nearly every way possible.

 

[Ghostse]

Strelkov has been doom posting again.
the main points
a) the summer offensive will fail. The russians can reduce a couple of positions every week and take a few villages but they can't force the goals of the SMO trough force of arms.
b) there will be no truce. He thinks that the US is leading russia along on a wild goose chase to buy time for Ukraine.
He devolves in his usual blabbering about how the US is treating the russians like the indians.
c) he thinks NATO forces will start to fight for Ukraine. Specifically he thinks that NATO air power and AA will be used to help defend Ukraine's airspace first and then gradually get fully involved.
d) he believes that Ukraines corss border raids are ment to keep russian forces distracted from the main push and spread out.
e) he's a bit passive agressive over the official announcement that jes the Norks have been fighting for the russians. His main gripe is that in holding back officail confirmation when the whole world know it just looks silly. And I think that he hints at underming russians trust in their officails.

The interesting between the lines subtexts is that he believes that the russian state and elites haven't done enough to bring russia on a full war footing and blames this in part in them being strung along by Trump.
I'd credit this more to his general kremlin skepticism.
But more importantly he touches on the russians being unable to generate enough decently trained men to carry out large scale and sustained operations. We know that Ukraine has been struggling to adequately train all of it's recruits. But that russia hasn't been able to fix it's own training issues is still worth noting. The have the infrastructure, training cadres and one would assume time to get their troops trained.
I believe this show a combination of three things.
1) russia is facing manpower problem, it can replentish losses but not get enough of a buffer to do proper training.
2) russia feels that it has to keep pressure up, this would explain why he thinks that the US would want to buy time for Ukraine
3) the training level of russian conscripts is probably prety shit aswell. Considering most of them men singing up (or being signed up) have done their military service already.
Russian training standards being low would be a major issue for them. While you don't need a high level of training to carry out the current infiltration in small groups that the russians are doing.
But you defentivly need it for exploitation and mobile warfare. If the russians don't have a competent reserve force then all they will be able to do is to keep slowly grinding away. They might win this purely atrittional war in the end, but it will take time. Time they probably don't have, men they can't spare and equipment they don't have.
It would also mean that the million ish men undergoing their mandatory military service are also shit and unable to conduct mobile warfare. So they aren'tthe russian ace people assume them to be.

"He thinks that the US is leading russia along on a wild goose chase to buy time for Ukraine."
LOL in what fucking world? What the hell sort of bathtub drugs is that slav smoking? It was not the US wasting time except by trying to negotiate with Russia at all.

re: Manpower & training, I have no idea how Russia hasn't unfucked itself after 3 years of the 3-day SMO. The lack of skilled trainers is a huge issue, but they are (or at least were last I checked) farming a lot of that out to Belarus. The former Wagner guys who weren't willing to sign up under MoD command authority were supposed to be doing training to ride out their contracts as well, but I imagine that's over.
I mean the Russian military got utterly hollowed out in the opening months, and Soviet infantry training has never been particularly stellar, and there was a huge issue post-Kharkiv as they threw anyone they could into the combat zone to try to hold Ukraine. But that should be long over, and combat training should have caught up and enough guys should be able to be rotated off the front to train the new guys.
That won't fix their utterly fucked command structure & doctrine but they should be putting out competent recruits by this time.

I know, I know Russia. Hence the copious use of "should".

@World in Scarlet we miss you here, we got only the most retarded of retards here now.

bro that's a mirror you're looking at.

 

[Astro Galactic Megalul]

I swear some people in this thread have nothing to add about the actual war and just come here to seethe post about the United States and people they don't like. Diet and exercise will help reduce your Polycystic Ovarian Syndrome symptoms as well as give you something better to do.
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On the subject of the actual war it seems Russia is deploying additional air defense around Moscow for the victory day festivities. I wonder if this will create openings for continued drone attacks in other areas.

That green tarp sure looks inconspicuous among all that concrete, 10/10 camouflage would drone again

 

[Oxyjen]

Happy Victory against Nazis day or whatever



Ukrainian forces smashed through the border into Russia in what appears to be a second incursion into the Kursk region.

Ukrainian troops fired missiles, breached the border, and used specialised vehicles to cross minefields, pro-Russian reporters said

They blew up bridges with rockets overnight before launching an armoured assault in the morning, taking advantage of poor weather.

One Russian Telegram channel reporting on the war said at least 50 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into the region, with fighting reported near the villages of Zvannoe and Tetkino.

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The channel reported: “The mine clearance vehicles began to make passages in the minefields, followed by armored vehicles with troops. There is a heavy battle going on at the border.”

The reported attack follows claims by Russia’s military leadership last month that Ukrainian troops had been completely expelled from the Kursk region after what was described as the largest incursion into Russian territory since World War Two.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/05/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news16/

 

[World in Scarlet]

@World in Scarlet we miss you here, we got only the most retarded of retards here now.

He turned on Ukraine for his orange idol. Everything is unfolding as written in the Dead Sea Scrolls my posts.
Thanks for the ping.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Happy Victory against Nazis day or whatever

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Ukrainian forces smashed through the border into Russia in what appears to be a second incursion into the Kursk region.

Ukrainian troops fired missiles, breached the border, and used specialised vehicles to cross minefields, pro-Russian reporters said

They blew up bridges with rockets overnight before launching an armoured assault in the morning, taking advantage of poor weather.

One Russian Telegram channel reporting on the war said at least 50 Ukrainian soldiers crossed into the region, with fighting reported near the villages of Zvannoe and Tetkino.

Advertisement

The channel reported: “The mine clearance vehicles began to make passages in the minefields, followed by armored vehicles with troops. There is a heavy battle going on at the border.”

The reported attack follows claims by Russia’s military leadership last month that Ukrainian troops had been completely expelled from the Kursk region after what was described as the largest incursion into Russian territory since World War Two.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/05/05/russia-ukraine-zelensky-putin-war-latest-news16/

Same purpose as last time - Putin wants to use the whole Victory day 'ceasefire' to build up troop strength to make a push right after and said all the ceasefire bullshit in the hopes, as always, that Ukraine is at some breaking point where they too need to rest.

Now a place they supposedly had locked down just got blown back open and ALL that planning for any post-Victory Day operations are shot to hell because they have to mobilize BACK to Kursk. I have to wonder if this hadn't been a planned tactical retreat all along and Putin just got played for the fool, letting him 'reclaim' Kursk and then troops getting drawn back east, only for the Ukrainians to push right back into Kursk and make a fucking shitshow of Russian logistics and supply planning.

Which could eventually turn into forcing Putin to commit more forces purely for border control, depriving precious manpower to just standing on an imaginary line on a map.

 

[Ghostse]

Now a place they supposedly had locked down just got blown back open and ALL that planning for any post-Victory Day operations are shot to hell because they have to mobilize BACK to Kursk. I have to wonder if this hadn't been a planned tactical retreat all along and Putin just got played for the fool, letting him 'reclaim' Kursk and then troops getting drawn back east, only for the Ukrainians to push right back into Kursk and make a fucking shitshow of Russian logistics and supply planning.

Not exactly. The 2024 Kursk push was having all logistics funneled through a single road and the Russians were spamming it with drones and artillery. Ukraine should have backed out sooner than they had (or doubled down and secured the road) but at least pulled the plug before it became another late-stage Bakhmut.

They have likely pulled back to reload and replenish and are trying again with likely the same aims of tying up Russian forces on their own territory instead of Ukraine. I'll have to check the map to see where they're going over border before any further speculation.

Added to this the increased pledges of Euro aid, as well as it looking like the US is back on a "Fuck Russia" tack now that everyone's gotten to the inevitable conclusion that peacetalks were fake and gay, so that makes it more likely a push can be sustained in the future. (Especially with that good-sized F-16 support package that congress was just notified of; JDAMS for everyone!) Curious if this means more weapons will be green-lit for strikes on Russian soil.

When Russia refused to respond to Kursk when it happened, I was listening to the people saying it was a smart tactical move by Russian High Command to largely ignore it; Ukraine could go into Kursk for tens of miles before they hit anything of real significant value. Russia could keep their Pokrovsk push going, and deal with Kursk later.
I'm not pretty sure that wasn't a move of intentional brilliance, it was Russia being utterly unable to respond quickly.

The other thing to note is that a mile into Kursk is a mile closer to Moscow if the UKA was intended to get Russia to add some fireworks to the May 9th celebration of victory over the USSR's ally.

 

[Skylavijas]

I'm not pretty sure that wasn't a move of intentional brilliance, it was Russia being utterly unable to respond quickly.

I think it's not so much brilliance, but more so the fact that... Russia is massive AF and a loss of a few miles and villages means absolutely nothing to them in terms of general logistics and sustaining a continuous war effort. For Ukraine, this is significant, because it brings a very favorable bargain in any sort of potential peace treaty. Both reactions make strategic sense. Only time will tell which one is the correct one, and how dedicated is Russia in burning itself, before signing any sort of peace treaty.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

Each mile deeper into Russia, is a mile closer to Moscow to launch drones from. In addition to fucking with Russian deployments and logistics.