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[Xarpho's Return]

most of the advantages "electric" "it's not noisy" are not different from electric buses, you can have double decked buses if you want to cram more people into them. The " not road wear" and "consumes less energy " advantage are so dumb considering how expensive these things are to install and maintain.

I wouldn't trust urbanists what is considered noise or not. They'll stand right next to a road with a sound level meter and then use the peak of a car buzzing past then use that as "proof" you shouldn't complain about bars playing shitty music until 2 am.

ICE vehicles consume zero grid energy. Furthermore chemical energy is far more efficient than electrical energy and ninety-nine percent of the time that humans make electrical energy it is through the consumption of chemical energy which makes electric vehicles even less efficient than they already were.

The whole argument is absurd since most of the time these types use "well I'm not reliant on oil" forgetting that the entire production and logistics network uses oil.

Irvine is full of greenbelts and dedicated bike paths. But it’s also Republican enough for there to be no “audacity” in having a fucking trapezoidmobile.

It's not only absurd as a concept for them to trash the concept (how do they use AUTOMOBILES to block off the road from other traffic—what do you want, a pile of bicycles?) but before Musk went "heel" (Musk was already on the shitlist for ruining their hugbox) electric cars were seen as the "right" way forward, so having a Cybertruck at some climate-focused event is on-brand, but because Musk bad we need to accept undersized, underpowered electric explosionmobiles from China.

i saw that and i thought of course this idiot likes trams, he couldn't say subways, those things are expensive but at least they are fast and practical in big cities.

I'm sure @quaawaa has an idea of what I'm talking about but I distinctly remember one of his videos had a part where he sperged about a train system in Canada being moved underground was a bad thing because that meant that car traffic flowed more freely.

Someone says that in the UK, owners of that bike (a Brompton) are stereotype as smug douchebags and gets downvoted:

The Bong made the mistake of implying that cyclists can be insufferable douchebags, not knowing that the rule was "two wheels good, four wheels bad" on the sub.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

t’s also walkable, though not always “15 minutes.” Nothing is ever good enough for these fucking cumstains.

i now live 13 minutes walking distance from my place of work, it's not much it's like 4 or 5 blocks. in such small distances public transportation is not a big difference as you have to walk to the bus or subway stop and wait for it, that can take easily more than 15 minutes. According to these idiots your kids school, your place of work, your house etc has to be 15 minutes away by public transport or by walking, very few people live like that, it's is such a ridiculous idea at least call it the 30 minutes city and it would actually be feasible.

I'm sure @quaawaa has an idea of what I'm talking about but I distinctly remember one of his videos had a part where he sperged about a train system in Canada being moved underground was a bad thing because that meant that car traffic flowed more freely.

holy shit

so he doesn't care that moving it underground makes it safer, allows more houses to be built as there are not railways there anymore and also the system has better frequency as they are not limited by road crossings? why am i asking? of course not.

 

[quaawaa]

I'm sure @quaawaa has an idea of what I'm talking about but I distinctly remember one of his videos had a part where he sperged about a train system in Canada being moved underground was a bad thing because that meant that car traffic flowed more freely.

You're probably referring to this:

The road also has amazing transit access:

but that’s a bad thing:

Spoiler: Image in Tweet

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It’s not a bizarre idea. If you have a subway under the road, you don’t need a tram above the road. Duplicating a transit line to placate a handful of bathmophobic people is a stupid idea and a complete waste of money.

There’s more context in the original post.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

The whole argument is absurd since most of the time these types use "well I'm not reliant on oil" forgetting that the entire production and logistics network uses oil.

I'd wager the majority only know oil gets used for gasoline/diesel/motor oil. Bring up generators on wind turbines, lubrication in wind turbines, petrochemicals and plastics..... Dead air

 

[Slap47]

i saw that and i thought of course this idiot likes trams, he couldn't say subways, those things are expensive but at least they are fast and practical in big cities. Of course, they aren't glamorous because people of all walks of life actually use them. Nope, a fucking tram.

By the way, there are several famous people from back when these things were popular, ( like 100 years ago) that died in accidents involving trams. Gaudi was one. Trams are probably more dangerous than buses as they can't dodge and manoeuver.

Trams are fine.

I do not really see how they are more dangerous than busses if they literally drive on a track.



The only thing that makes public transit dangerous is the crackheads that urbanists refuse to ever talk about.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

It’s not a bizarre idea. If you have a subway under the road, you don’t need a tram above the road. Duplicating a transit line to placate a handful of bathmophobic people is a stupid idea and a complete waste of money.

He's not entirely wrong in the fact that subways/"third rail" systems are usually much faster, higher capacity, and have fewer stops per mile than surface-level streetcars do, but the problem with that is that it basically pigeonholes streetcars further into a more expensive, less flexible version of a bus, and they're never willing to grant the same sort of "different purposes" benefit to roads. In the same post he decries the wide roads that every city needs.

The only thing that makes public transit dangerous is the crackheads that urbanists refuse to ever talk about.

Made me realize something. A lot of the urbanist stuff has heavy overlap with progressivism but the true urban bugman has the whole "Narcissists' Prayer" going on. You've seen it elsewhere:
That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it.

In this case, they'll deny that there's any foul play going on in subways at all, and now with someone openly smoking, the narrative becomes "mind your own business". The "you deserve it" goes with anyone being unfortunate enough to be in a bike lane when some reckless cyclist goes by...that cyclist that hit the kid in Brooklyn in January is still at large and probably believes he was 100% in the right...and probably screams about "antisemitism" and "Nazis" despite physically harming more Jews in the last six months than a hundred /pol/tards combined.

 

[indomitable snowman]

Trams are fine.

I do not really see how they are more dangerous than busses if they literally drive on a track.

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The only thing that makes public transit dangerous is the crackheads that urbanists refuse to ever talk about.

or the arsonists, or thiefs, or necrophiliacs

 

[highlighter_shitposting]

The EU is currently planning on making inspections mandatory every year for cars older than 10 years. That affects half the cars on the road now, and surely they won't stop trying to legislate older cars off the roads.

Please do, eastern euros would love to grab some Bavarian Money Wasters and other eurocars for dirt cheap

 

[Yamamura]

he couldn't say subways, those things are expensive but at least they are fast and practical in big cities

Yeah like come to think of it. If I was trying to efficiency max this as if it was like one of their city design games. It makes the most sense to put the train underground because it utilizes another plane of space. Since they complain about "roads are for people... and trams?". You would have to allocate a certain path that only the tram can travel or else you would just have people obstructing the tram and you have the exact same issue they complain about with cars again.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Yeah like come to think of it. If I was trying to efficiency max this as if it was like one of their city design games. It makes the most sense to put the train underground because it utilizes another plane of space. Since they complain about "roads are for people... and trams?". You would have to allocate a certain path that only the tram can travel or else you would just have people obstructing the tram and you have the exact same issue they complain about with cars again.

Trams don't count. It's like how elevated highway structures are bad and spooky and pedestrian unfriendly, but an elevated rail assuages all those concerns.

Speaking of which, no reason why you can't put the "tram" portion underground and the "third rail" system above ground.

 

[quaawaa]

Jason says that there are no "stroads" in the Netherlands:

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It took me five seconds on Google Maps to find one:

Google Maps

Street View

 

[Itchy Hemorrhoids]

I was just driving through a college town in California today that I hadn't been to in a while (population about 40,000). In the past this one hadn't been completely raped by bikefags like Davis. But now it looks like they've totally bought into urbanism bike fag shit and blocked a downtown street and turned another one into a cramped column with bike lines next to it and you see no bikes at all. At least in Davis there are faggots on bikes everywhere. There's also all kinds of mixed use bullshit and muh housing being built everywhere. For a town of 40,000 in the middle of fucking nowhere.

And that's when it hit me. Whoever posted it here a while ago is right. These little commie pricks are scared of real life and just want to live in college forever and have everything done for them.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Jason says that there are no "stroads" in the Netherlands:

Turns out when you make something up, you can decide what is and isn't an example, who knew?

 

[DavidS877]

And that's when it hit me. Whoever posted it here a while ago is right. These little commie pricks are scared of real life and just want to live in college forever and have everything done for them.

Honestly a lot of college towns are like that. People move there for college and then they never leave. They become lifers at the college or work at businesses that moved there because of the college. Or, in some cases, because they smoked their brains out in college and have no skills to live anywhere else. Many such examples. Davis, Chico, Santa Cruz, Corvallis(OR), Pullman(WA)/Moscow(ID), etc.

 

[Meriasek]

Yeah like come to think of it. If I was trying to efficiency max this as if it was like one of their city design games. It makes the most sense to put the train underground because it utilizes another plane of space. Since they complain about "roads are for people... and trams?". You would have to allocate a certain path that only the tram can travel or else you would just have people obstructing the tram and you have the exact same issue they complain about with cars again.

Thats exactly how these urbanfags want trams. Replacing the car lanes completely. Now, that leads to the problem that you can't just cross the road that easily anymore (and urbofags hate nothing more than having to stop in their powerwalk), but then again, trams don't come that often.
In my city, many tram lines are semi-separate from the streets, actually. Still, tram tracks on streets can be annoying if you're on a bike. Luckily I only really hit the tram tracks perpendicular, so they don't kill me.

 

[NerfEverything]

Saw this thought you guys might appreciate it. It's a fantastic experience as a tourist, its a nightmare for anyone living, let alone working/having a business.

 

[quaawaa]

/r/fuckcars posts data debunking induced demand but is too dumb to realize it:





The road capacity increased by 100% (2 to 4 lanes), yet traffic only went up by ~18%. This means that the road is LESS congested than it was before the widening.

The road is what used to be a rural road in the deep exurbs of Houston that is now being encroached by new development; it needs to be expanded because the local population has greatly increased:

(Google Maps has the new roads, but the satellite view hasn't been updated yet)







Texas has NAZI ROADS:


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[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

watching the tram video:

- He says trams are cheaper than buses (his source is just one guy from Toronto). That seems hard to believe, considering how common buses are compared to trams. Even after installation, you still have to maintain the tracks, which isn’t cheap, he probably didn’t take that into account.

- Most of his calculations and examples assume trams are running at full capacity, but most of the videos he shows feature nearly empty trams. They like to talk about mass transit, but never seem to show how it actually looks in real life, and it’s not pretty.

- There’s no mention of why trams were replaced in most places. Apparently, it’s all the fault of cars. But if trams were so great, why were most lines shut down in the first place? There’s a list on Wikipedia, and most of them are closed.

-Those extremely low-floor trams seem like they’d be a risk in cases of flooding, heavy rain or snow.

- He says trams are flexible (because they can sometimes become trains), but then claims they’re good because they’re fixed in place and that increases the land value, unlike bus routes, which can change. So which is it?

 

[WelperHelper99]

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A fucking tram

Trams in my experience are useful if you are just visiting a city. I wouldn't want to ride one to work every day. It's cramped, everybody is stuffed in there, and has none of the amenities of even a train.

 

[NoIdeaWhatImDoing]

Trams in my experience are useful if you are just visiting a city. I wouldn't want to ride one to work every day. It's cramped, everybody is stuffed in there, and has none of the amenities of even a train.

he talks like a tourist, he mentions discovering new shops while looking through the window in a tram, and riding the tram when he arrives to a new city. Most comuters have done the same route hundreds if not thousands of times, they don't give a shit, they want to get to their place of work/home.