Vivienne Medrano / VivziePop / NozzArts / xZoOPhobiAx / VivMind / Spindlehorse Studios - Bisexual Fujoshit that is the definition of "Author's Barely Disguised Fetish", Ruined her own show for a mediocre ship, Crashes out on twitter daily, Professional Victim and Crybully

[Amerikaner Teddybär]

Odd pairing, but I like it and still better than whatever Viv shits out.

Shit, the Courage the Cowardly Dog x Loona ship is better than whatever Viv makes.

 

[What can I say?]

Story-wise, this Adam does make a lot more sense; but I can't help but prefer the one we have in canon. Sure, the show attempts to portray him as a one-dimensional bad guy, but he's undeniably entertaining as fuck in every scene. Making him a goofy rockstar type was definitely one of Hazbin's better ideas.

I respect your opinion, I won't lie I do find Adam entertaining sometimes aswell, and given the kind of characters and setting Hazbin has, he fits in well. However that's where the issue starts, the setting and characters.

I think one of Vivs worst writing qualities is her need to insert pieces of herself into every character. Now of course most characters that have ever been written or created do have some piece of the author put into them one way or another, whether it be basing them off past experiences, beliefs, ideas, fragments of personality, all that stuff, that's fine. What I mean when I say that is that Viv does this in the most literal sense of the term.

She finds swearing funny and does it all the time? Make it so all of her characters also find swearing funny and do it all the time! She likes gay people? make it so all of her characters like gay people too! Is she in the know with all of the modern sexuality stuff? make it so all of her characters are too! "Rosies "You're an ace in the hole darling!" to Alastor proves this) You see what I mean? In some ways, these characters aren't really characters, they're more like Vivs puppets. They don't have quirks or knowledge or ideas of their own outside of what they need to have to be properly considered characters in a show/comic. They're all aware of the same things and ideas that Viv is, regardless of if it makes sense for them to be or not, and most of them inhabit Vivs quirks.

Of course there are exceptions to the rule, but even some of the exceptions aren't safe. I'll admit that I found Alastor swearing for the first time genuinely funny, it was surprising, you didn't expect it, and it fit the scene it was in, he was genuinely tense and highly annoyed and the build-up worked well. Then she made Alastor swear two more times in far less funny scenario's, retroactively souring the first instance as a result, she just can't help herself.

Adam, to me, is the biggest exemplifier of this issue. Gods first man, one of the highest in command, in an entirely different state of existance to the rest of the main cast, and he talks like every other one of Vivs characters. Or, to put it another way, he talks like Vivienne. Sure he has the opinions and ideas required to actually make him an opposing character, but outside of those, he's basically just a mini-Viv, or, as I said earlier, one of Vivs sock puppets, it's like the worlds most expensive school assembly puppet show.

I'm not gonna sit on throne of puzzle pieces and act like I'm above swearing or anything like that in terms of humor or writing, I find swearing funny alot of the time too. It's not inherently the swearing that's the problem, people are gonna swear and cuss and slur in hell, that's fine. The issue is how most characters have the exact same attitude when it comes to swearing, with no language or vocabulary to call their own, no cadence, no nothing. I know I'm starting to sound like Chris here with his whole "Characters and CWCville are real!" type stuff but you get what I'm saying here right?

That's why I'm not fond of Adam, to me he represents the worst aspects of one of Vivs worst writing qualities when he could have been so much more.

Him telling Lute to chill out was pretty funny though.

 

[InJailOutSoon]

I do find the AUs where they have Adam being the one that is trying to redeem Sinners interesting; whether he ended up in Heaven or Hell. It makes sense for essentially "the father of all mankind" wanting his decescendants to escape eternal suffering and somehow right the wrong that he made thousands of years that sentenced his people to Hell.

 

[SpergPatrol]

I came back to tell you I searched through the playlist and found two gems (and others) some of which seems to be Smosh videos and Dick Figures, what I did not anticipate was the fact she added not only Rebecca Sugar stuff but also TEAMFOURSTAR. Literally what the fuck is this.

Tumblrina writing cartoons; it's really that simple

I'm not surprised that it is filled with random slop.

Most tumblr users are obsessed with reference humor like Family Guy, but somehow more brain dead.

I am more shocked it didn't have more pop culture stuff like Epic the Musical and Bo Burnham to seem more deep and insightful than it really is

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

I do find the AUs where they have Adam being the one that is trying to redeem Sinners interesting; whether he ended up in Heaven or Hell. It makes sense for essentially "the father of all mankind" wanting his decescendants to escape eternal suffering and somehow right the wrong that he made thousands of years that sentenced his people to Hell.

When we were working on the AU, Adam was actually just a soul who fell from purgatory that ended up there, unless he gave his body up to Azazel to perform excorsists. My Friend and I thought of this elobarate thing. Since he also mentioned that Eve was also missing when they were sent below that means Eve was possibly Roo, that and Lilith/Rosie pipeline won't make sense, I considered vetoing it and asking him to make Eve Lilith instead, but he refused.

See this is what happens when you steal from your fans Viv, we AU writers have to find a way to unfuck the tangled bloat from your shows.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Tumblrina writing cartoons; it's really that simple

I'm not surprised that it is filled with random slop.

Most tumblr users are obsessed with reference humor like Family Guy, but somehow more brain dead.

I am more shocked it didn't have more pop culture stuff like Epic the Musical and Bo Burnham to seem more deep and insightful than it really is

Can you tell me what's so important by #23 for her to have added it?

Apologies for the gay doublepost.

 

[AnOminous]

I think in a more mature and nuanced take of Hazbin and Helluva, it would actually make sense to never show god and only have characters, mainly ones in heaven, speak of him, never have him speak to the viewers or be shown.

Other idea, he should talk but be completely unintelligible like the teacher in the Peanuts animations.

Then she made Alastor swear two more times in far less funny scenario's, retroactively souring the first instance as a result, she just can't help herself.

I liked how Moxxie's idea of swearing was originally something like "oh crumbs." Later he just started gratuitously swearing like everyone else.

 

[One Winged Pear Farmer]

I liked how Moxxie's idea of swearing was originally something like "oh crumbs." Later he just started gratuitously swearing like everyone else.

Honestly that voice actor being used was a big part of why I completely stopped even checking for episodes. It’s one thing to hate watch but I couldn’t risk them ruining my annual invader zim rewatch by tainting the voice

 

[Chef Red Pill]

I HAVE BEEN SENT BY THE KILLSTREAM KOMMISSION ON BEHALF OF GAYTURS SISTER TO ASK WHY THIS NIGGA UPLOADS ONE SHOW TO JEWTUBE FOR FREE AND SOLD THE OTHER TO AMAZON FOR $6 GORILLAN DOLLARS.

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

I HAVE BEEN SENT BY THE KILLSTREAM KOMMISSION ON BEHALF OF GAYTURS SISTER TO ASK WHY THIS NIGGA UPLOADS ONE SHOW TO JEWTUBE FOR FREE AND SOLD THE OTHER TO AMAZON FOR $6 GORILLAN DOLLARS.

Because her Daddy's Money was cut off from her I assume and she realized she needed money after no one gives a rats ass, so she sold her shitty show to Amazon too,

 

[AnOminous]

Because her Daddy's Money was cut off from her I assume and she realized she needed money after no one gives a rats ass, so she sold her shitty show to Amazon too,

She had the A24 deal during most of the time she was doing Helluva Boss, and I believe the latter was pretty well monetized. So she had an already great paycheck for an indie and was looking at an even better one.

 

[SpergPatrol]

Can you tell me what's so important by #23 for her to have added it?

Apologies for the gay doublepost.
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It's very easy to also answer, it's to be quirky and funny without having to actually put in that effort.

They can just put that in and coast off of someone else, because this type of humor is parasitic by making people feel like they accomplished being funny without having to actually be funny.

They are obsessed with it because it's the easiest and most laziest form of comedy, you don't need effort to do it, and still get praise for it while also being #relatable or #quirky

If you seen her show it's also why she relies on swears and yelling so often too.
These are forms of humor that get quick, cheap laughs without having to actually craft something witty or in depth.

It's why jokes she writes this way you don't remember or anyone else, because it doesn't have substance but she can appease her ego because someone chuckled.

Screaming "FUCK," gets a laugh but no one is quoting it because it's just the word fuck some guy is yelling.

Reference humor is the same way.

You can say "this reminds me of the golden girls," and people will laugh because of the situation, but no one is going to quote it because they have no fucking idea what that is.
If they do (also lazy people trying to be funny without actually forming thier own jokes), they tend to look stupid the second someone who does questions the joke on why it's funny especially someone who knows the reference.

It's why her writing is called lazy because most of her jokes are some combination of these lazy forms of comedy.

Tumblr is obsessed with it because many of them including vivi have not grown since thier teenage years and tumblr enables this behavior.
It's the most ego appeasing form of humor as you do nothing and gain all the credit.

It's why this playlist and her show is full of crap like this, so she can appear funnier than she actually is and feed her ego.

 

[SoleniyKraut]

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Besides the fact that Viv doesn't know what "serving cunt" means, who the fuck is Prick? Like, I know who Roo and Hatchet are (which by the way, great job Viv. Revealing two characters with one who only made a background appearance so far, and the other who is supposedly the big bad for the entire show. You just can't keep anything secret can you), I have no idea who this Prick character could be.

Those planning skillz. This looks like a result of a mental patient's graphomania. No wonder all of Vivienne's shows lack plot cohesion; How does any of the writers understand which line of text corresponds to which plot point\stage of development?

 

[Dr. Arinsu]

Rape playlist is incorrect apparently but still it's weird to have bondage crap in a public playlist.

 

[Activelo]

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

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"redemption"
>Verosika is treated as le good girl even though she participated in having people killed over a parking space bet in S1
>Blitzo is treated as le good guy for not wanting to kill two homos even though he was fine with indiscriminately killing people up until this point
>Adam & the Exorcists are not given chances to change their ways for the better, Lute will likely be treated as a joke antagonist even though she has a very compelling motive for wanting Charlie & co. dead
"forgiveness"
>see everything I just said about Adam
>Fizzarolli forgives Blitzo for the circus incident even though he has no reason to; accident or not, the guy still irreparably fucked his life up
>Blitzo forgives Stolas for being a gaslighting, narcissistic, racist, classist cunt even though he has no reason to
"familial bonds"
>95% of characters have daddy/mommy issues
>of all the parents we see: Lucifer is a neglectful shut-in too busy being depressed to spend time with his daughter; Lilith (presumably) straight up abandoned her family for Heaven; Crimson is an abusive psycho; Blitzo's dad is a greedy cunt; Blitzo himself... is actually a (somewhat) responsible parent, his only real "sin" is babying Loona; Stella is a batshit insane harpy too focused on her hateboner for Stolas to raise Octavia; Stolas is a degenerate narcissist too focused on fucking around with his "impish plaything" to raise Octavia or even LOOK for her when she's in possible danger; Paimon, in the one scene he appears in, genuinely doesn't give a shit about any of his kids and struggles to even remember their names; Carmilla is a responsible mother, no complaints here
>also Blitzo doesn't even have a good relationship with his sister; she rightfully hates his guts

Nice fucking shows you've got there, Jasper

 

[AnOminous]

"forgiveness"

Meanwhile Stella is just pure absolute evil completely beyond redemption, "ontologically evil" as they like to say. Also my problem with Stolitz isn't even that they're gay but that the gay entirely took over the show and on top of that Stolas is an abusive narcissist and Blitz gets blamed for it like he's the problem.

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Meanwhile Stella is just pure absolute evil completely beyond redemption, "ontologically evil" as they like to say. Also my problem with Stolitz isn't even that they're gay but that the gay entirely took over the show and on top of that Stolas is an abusive narcissist and Blitz gets blamed for it like he's the problem.

The ultimate issue here is fujo subculture.

Forgive my tangent, but I indulged in a deep dive…

Spoiler

No other group manages to be as insanely misogynistic and misandristic as fujos like Viv. For them homosexuality is a masturbatory means to an end, men are feminized and women villainized for not approving of their partner’s gay affairs. Much of their fetish revolves around the ‘drama’ of the gay relationship, affairs, love triangles, all of that stuff AO3 gals are usually into. Almost all of the content they create is either insanely toxic or downright rape-y. But interestingly enough they have a difficult time owning these fetishes, and try to frame the gay relationship into a faux moralistic narrative about ‘oppression’ or some nonsense. It’s also common for them to try to speak on behalf of gay men surrounding their ‘struggles’. This is why Angel’s slavery is wrapped up as an ‘awareness’ narrative, while anyone with a brain can see it’s fujo gooner material.

Fujos also have very strong rejection sensitivity. Perhaps this is because deep down they have a basic understanding of their fetish being unhealthy, so this makes them double down in defensiveness. I’m on the fence as to whether or not people like Viv create shows with the express intention of it being fujo material, or if they simply can’t help themselves and no one is there to tard wrangle them. If it’s the former, I can imagine it’s a tactic to keep people from instantly calling it for what it is and avoiding it, basically just fetishistic bait and switch.

Interestingly enough fujos also seem to hold a significant amount of animosity towards other women who self ship or ship straight couples, while actively seeking out those communities for engagement. I have seen such odd things as death threats for shipping Charlie x Alastor and complete week long meltdowns over hardcore Adam and Alastor waifuists saying ‘yeah, no, we don’t consider you to be a fan of our characters because you post nothing but doujin pages of him being raped’. Why these fujos think these types would want to bump elbows with them is really anyone’s guess. Maybe it’s a wound to the ego because they seem to want validation so badly. Viv herself seems to have some vague beef with the Charlie x Alastor shippers, but admittedly I don’t care enough to do a deep dive into that.

I am only casually interested in this fandom due it reminding me of the Steven Universe fandom, its been my personal cow for about a year as I’ve had to narrow my focus due to a busy schedule, but getting to know fujo shenanigans has been eye opening. It is akin to the yaoi girls back in the day, but much, much more fetishistic and perverse.

Edit: And as an aside, I really don’t understand what makes these women the way that they are. I can sort of get the self shippers and straight shippers who aren’t as aggressive (but still abundantly retarded), my first thought was that fujos project themselves onto one of the male parties, and are thus pooner/autoandrophilia adjacent, but I’m honestly stumped.

 

[Activelo]

 

[Kid Named Rocket]

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This point kinda falls flat since
1. Satan allows Stolas to derail the trial in the first place, after being browbeat into letting him in by Vassago, someone that's supposed to be WAY BELOW Satan in rank
and
2. doesn't even end up executing or really punishing anyone besides Stolas, as IMP are... just allowed to keep operating