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[Ring of Basilius]

Remember Vance hasn’t even baptized his own children to keep his Pagan wife happy

That's great. Religion is an adult decision and should not be forced on children.

 

[Meat Target]

Chicago Pope memes, lets go.
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How long til ketchup on hotdogs is declared a sin?

Is Malort that liquor that was made by a guy to burned out his taste buds smoking cigars, and tastes like someone left a Sharpie in a glass of water?

 

[Justice Tony]

That's great. Religion is an adult decision and should not be forced on children.

It's all fun in games until the kids get hit by a bus and go to hell and then you die and go to hell for sending your children to hell. Faggot.

 

[Blackstar]

Chicago Pope memes, lets go.

 

[California Newt]

Now, without linking stuff, lay out what I quoted from what you said, and try your very best to push that the Holy Spirit is complicit in apostasy by electing the Popes you claim are whatever you claim they are.

The Holy Spirit has never "elected" a pope in the college-of-cardinals sense that you mean. The papacy only developed in the way that it did because Rome lost the Holy Spirit nearly a thousand years ago.

It's hermeneutical interfaith practice, consistent with what the early fathers engaged in since the genesis of the early church.

No fathers would have claimed that Muslims worship the one God. You have to be joking. St. John of Damascus called them "Mutilators of God":

Moreover, they call us Hetaeriasts, or Associators, because, they say, we introduce an associate with God by declaring Christ to the Son of God and God. We say to them in rejoinder: ‘The Prophets and the Scriptures have delivered this to us, and you, as you persistently maintain, accept the Prophets. So, if we wrongly declare Christ to be the Son of God, it is they who taught this and handed it on to us.’ But some of them say that it is by misinterpretation that we have represented the Prophets as saying such things, while others say that the Hebrews hated us and deceived us by writing in the name of the Prophets so that we might be lost. And again we say to them: ‘As long as you say that Christ is the Word of God and Spirit, why do you accuse us of being Hetaeriasts? For the word, and the spirit, is inseparable from that in which it naturally has existence. Therefore, if the Word of God is in God, then it is obvious that He is God. If, however, He is outside of God, then, according to you, God is without word and without spirit. Consequently, by avoiding the introduction of an associate with God you have mutilated Him. It would be far better for you to say that He has an associate than to mutilate Him, as if you were dealing with a stone or a piece of wood or some other inanimate object. Thus, you speak untruly when you call us Hetaeriasts; we retort by calling you Mutilators of God.’

-from The Fount of Knowledge, part II

 

[Total Annihilation]

One thing to remember is that popes, in recent years, have generally taken up moderate lines in what they say and preach. Even Pope Francis took a middle road on quite a few things that I wouldn’t think he would (plus he was know to say things, and have them taken out of context by the media).
That said, I will keep Pope Leo in my prayers and hope for the best to come out of his tenure; I think the worse that can come out of his tenure will be his stance on immigration, and maybe some of the abuse coverup issues.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Is Malort that liquor that was made by a guy to burned out his taste buds smoking cigars, and tastes like someone left a Sharpie in a glass of water?

Malort is a Chicago meme drink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppson%27s_Mal%C3%B6rt

I've had it before, and it's not what I would call pleasant but it's also not as bad as the reputation makes it out to be.

 

[Meat Target]

Malort is a Chicago meme drink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeppson%27s_Mal%C3%B6rt

I've had it before, and it's not what I would call pleasant but it's also not as bad as the reputation makes it out to be.

Oh yeah, I've had it. I thought it was horrid.

 

[Local Farmer]

No wonder why his faith is so strong, he’s a Cubs fan!

 

[Preacher ✝]

I think the worse that can come out of his tenure will be his stance on immigration

Immigration is one of those issues where faith and politics can easily butt heads.

Red_Cap summed it up good here:

At this point I'm convinced America and Vatican are talking passed each other on immigration.

It's absolutely the Christian ethic that Christ-like love is universal and welcomes the stranger. It's Catholic teaching that mercy is to be provided to the downtrodden seeking a better way of life. The problem is that this is long-term thinking, and America is dealing with problems that require very short-term solutions, and badly.

The Vatican can preach about the common good for all as much as it likes, but that's difficult to achieve when people are drugged, raped, and/or killed. The Holy See comes off tone deaf when Conservatives run on this and their contribution is "think of the migrants!"

Neither are wrong, but they're not looking at the same thing. Because they aren't in sync, they come off inherently antagonistic toward one another and create friction where it isn't productive.

The Church tends to look at the big picture and think in the long term. This is a well suited approach to maintaining theology and administering a worldwide religion, but it conflicts with the short term "here and now" approach that has gripped contemporary politics. Politicians want quick solutions to visible issues with tangible results so they can slap their names on it and take credit.

To be quite frank it's a blessing that the Church does not tend to get caught up in such notions as they are easily manipulated and subject to the fickle whims of the nebulous public. You see what happens with evangelical protestants and the risk of becoming "the church of the current thing."

It is better to have a theologically consistent Church than one that is willing to twist theology to be "based" politically.

 

[The Gene Genie]

1. Allegations from Peru - Failure to act on abuse claims as Bishop of Chiclayo
HuffPost ES: Accusations against Prevost for covering up sexual abuse in Peru
Prevost is accused of not initiating canonical investigations into abuse allegations and pressuring victims or advocates to stay silent. Journalist Pedro Salinas contested these claims as "absolutely false."

2. Chicago Case - Allowed accused priest to live near a school
The Pillar: Concerns about Prevost’s decisions in Chicago abuse case
As Provincial Superior in 2000, Prevost permitted Fr. James Ray—credibly accused of abuse—to live at a friary near a Catholic school, raising safety concerns.


3. SNAP Complaint - Ongoing accountability questions
Crux Now: SNAP files complaint against Prevost for inadequate oversight
Survivors’ group SNAP has criticized Prevost’s failure to act in both Chicago and Peru, accusing him of endangering children and violating Church guidelines.

I think this is pretty grim. You're telling me they couldn't find another candidate with shit like this not in his closet? And this is the stuff that managed to hit the wires years ago. What hasn't come out (yet)? How bad were the other guys that this guy, who has been accused in multiple places during his career as a priest of covering up pedophiles and endangering children, was the best option?

I don't give a shit about the wokery-or-not/what-he-thinks-about-Trump, since it's already obvious what they were going to think and say, but this is far more egregious, destructive, and degenerate.

 

[Meat Target]

It is better to have a theologically consistent Church than one that is willing to twist theology to be "based" politically.

Precisely. I don't want Church that always agrees with my views. I want a Church that will tell me I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Precisely. I don't want Church that always agrees with my views. I want a Church that will tell me I'm wrong when I'm wrong.

Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.

Yes, we should show love and mercy to the less fortunate and do our best to help them, but that does not mean we should do so with such reckless abandon that we render ourselves unable to function as a nation. Furthermore, rulers have a duty to their people, and should act with their best interest in mind.

 

[Justice Tony]

Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.

Wrong! The Church is right and Trump is literally Hitler for not bending the knee. Sneed.

 

[MunsterCheeseJr]

Something tells me that he is going to be all in for pushing mass migration from South America into the US. And probably mass immigration from Africa into Europe.

Time will tell if he will be an Islamo-cuck begging for cathedrals to be burned down while our daughters are raped, and citizen are mowed down by trucks of peace.

 

[Yours Truly 2095]

Congratulations on the new Pope.

 

[Großmann]

That's great. Religion is an adult decision and should not be forced on children.

If you are serious, what things should parents force onto children?

 

[Meat Target]

Indeed, but on the immigration issue neither the Church nor the current administration are wrong, per se.

Yes, we should show love and mercy to the less fortunate and do our best to help them, but that does not mean we should do so with such reckless abandon that we render ourselves unable to function as a nation. Furthermore, rulers have a duty to their people, and should act with their best interest in mind.

Politicians want quick solutions to visible issues with tangible results so they can slap their names on it and take credit.

Leo's job going forward is to be a pastor, not a politician.

 

[Preacher ✝]

Pope Leo XIV has issued his first Papal Bull!

 

[Local Farmer]

That's great. Religion is an adult decision and should not be forced on children.

This only makes sense if you believe baptism is merely a traditional procedure and not a cleansing of the soul