The Linux Thread - The Autist's OS of Choice

[Computer Guardian]

I would switch back to arch if it actually supported GUI package managers. (INB4 hurrdurr linux elitist just use terminal saar, dont care, didnt ask.)

Well there's Octopi if you want to give it a shot, it's as simple as picking what packages to install (or hitting the check for update and system upgrade buttons), put in your sudo password, and go on ahead.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

I would switch back to arch if it actually supported GUI package managers. (INB4 hurrdurr linux elitist just use terminal saar, dont care, didnt ask.)

Also complete cinnamon support. Cinnamon itself is there but its lightdm greeter, and downgraded TTK4 (Tranny Toolkit 4) packages are stuck to the AUR and some are kinda broken.

like the person above me mentioned. octopi.

but for a more modern app store like package manager. there is pamac. It's basically the package manager you see with manjaro and the other gui based arch distros. It works just like the ones in linux mint. you can also support for flatpaks, and other things. I think snap too. and basically install anything you could normally install, on arch using the command line.

 

[seri0us]

yeah no fuck that arch is the mechanics special of OSs

It's wonderful once you're comfortable with that kind of configuration and going to remove most of the default software from a desktop environment out-of-box distro anyway, but there's absolutely no shame in continuing to use Linux Mint or any other "beginner" version.

 

[Battlefield42]

The good old glibc bricked half my shit again moment is why people go to other distros.

 

[GNU Abyss]

The good old glibc bricked half my shit again moment is why people go to other distros.

Is this because of partial upgrades or because of the sheer number of software on the system coming from the AUR? Never encountered this myself over the years I spent using Arch.

 

[Akerman]

Chimera seemed semi-intriguing until I made the mistake of checking out their "community guidelines" page which is always a bad idea in FOSS:


I am somewhat reminded of the "Burgers?" comic - Why the fuck does any of this matter for the development of a distro with a different set of tools? So if you don't believe that LLMs is entirely a scam fad or "whine" about systemd you will get banned by a bunch of jannies? What use does any of this BS serve than drive potential contribution away? I am usually meh about scolding in the codes of conduct, that's what they are there for and you can't really avoid it these days but this is the most retarded one I've ever seen. It's beyond the boiler plate broad denouncements that you usually see and it seems super bitter for some reason. I am sure they will go far with this attitude, and it sadly seems to be more and more common in development these days.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I am usually meh about scolding in the codes of conduct, that's what they are there for and you can't really avoid it these days but this is the most retarded one I've ever seen.

Code of Conducts in general are gay and retarded, even in a professional setting. There's no need for a drawn-out paragraph that basically says "don't be a dick". If anything, CoC's have been abused to where power-hungry fuckwits can just tack on more draconian things to make the plebs suffer with. Essentially a "no fun allowed" clause.

It's why we now have things like "Master" and "Slave" being ban-able terms even though they've been around for fucking ever and perfectly explain wtf you're talking about. CoC's should be removed completely, along with the people that go along with this horseshit.

 

[The Saltening]

So I am doing more research. AMD does not have adrenaline on linux... so how tf do I enable FSR4??? FSR4 is done through adrenaline.....

Like I am trying to make this switch, openSUSE is flashing to a usb drive rn, but apparently literally every single piece of software I use just doesnt exist. I thought AMD was the goto for linux?

edit: LACT might give me what I want.

 

[Slav Power]

there's absolutely no shame in continuing to use Linux Mint or any other "beginner" version.

This whole stigma around """beginner""" distros is just retarded elitism. What it actually means is that those distros come pre-packaged and pre-installed with all kinds of dependencies and software that you'd need to do most of your work on your computer. You know which operating system also does it? Windows. It comes with a metric fuckton of DLL's, most of which you'll most likely never use, but thanks to that everything just works. You want Linux that just works? It needs to be "bloated".

It's also another retarded pejorative term as we no longer live in a time where we have 20GB hard drives and need to make absolutely sure that we can utilize every byte efficiently. My Windows folder is ~30GB. My system SSD is 1TB. A "bloated" Linux distro would take up less than that. There is no good reason to not have all those packages preinstalled unless you're the type of fart-huffing elitist that gives all of Linux a bad name. It slows down the OS? Bullshit, compiled software only slows your machine down when it's executed. A clean Win10/11 install on an SSD loads in seconds. Once I add all the shit that I use on top it takes it maybe 1-2 minutes to load everything fully. If I disabled that in Autoruns it would again take seconds to load up. Same applies to Linux, it won't slow your system down if you don't run it.

Most importantly, Linux Mint is still Linux. Nothing's stopping you from nuking Cinnamon and replacing it with dwm if you so wish to desire. The benefit of Mint is that it comes preinstalled with all the shit you, the average end user, would want, both in the frontend and backend, so that your Linux experience is as hassle-free as it can be. And ultimately people don't give a shit about how much you can rice your computer, or how you can run your OS on a potato. People care about having a functional OS that does what it's meant to do and doesn't bother them. If I can get it from Windows, I'll use Windows. If someone can get it from Linux, they'll use Linux. If both cause them issues, they'll choose the one that causes them the least.

tl;dr: elitist should neck themselves for the betterment of Linux's future, Mint is fine, don't listen to faggots telling you to use Ubuntu, Debian, Arch or Gentoo. Just use Mint.

Or else...

 

[The Saltening]

Yeah. booted into opensuse. discover doesnt work. nobody has an asnwer. people with answers dont tell you how to do it they just expect you to know everything already.

and this is why i gave up last time with mint. stuff is broken out of the box and unless you know everything already its basically impossible to fix.

i have literally spent and hour trying to do a simple package update

fixed it. bypassed discover. fuck discover.

 

[Aidan]

Not archfi? I thought that was recommended or is that in the past?

Try them out in a virtual machine. Decide which one you think is best for your situation and go from there.

What exactly is all the hype around Rust about anyway?

I still don't get it but others have covered the official/formal reasons. The community around it is beyond toxic in a "toxic positivity" kind of way and faux acceptance. The language seems fine, every language has dumb stuff, but there is an effort to needlessly rewrite everything in Rust, especially from C++, like a virus. It's uncanny and any "rustaceans" I've seen in the wild are freaks I avoid.

Yeah. booted into opensuse. discover doesnt work. nobody has an asnwer. people with answers dont tell you how to do it they just expect you to know everything already.

and this is why i gave up last time with mint. stuff is broken out of the box and unless you know everything already its basically impossible to fix.

i have literally spent and hour trying to do a simple package update

OpenSUSE isn't niche but isn't as popular as Ubuntu based distros, not even close, so if you're brand new to it all Mint, Ubunutu, or any *ubuntu derivatives like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc would be easier to find support for as what works on one will almost always apply to the rest.
I don't even know what discover is. Apparently the KDE software center, see if YaST software works and if it does then close it and try Discover again. I don't know how Discover works but it worked on a fresh install just now.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

This whole stigma around """beginner""" distros is just retarded elitism.

Is there a stigma? I think most people are pretty willing to tell people to use linux mint.

compiled software only slows your machine down

I'm going to need some kind of source to believe this one. Or literally anything to support it.

edit oh. reading it again. i think I understand what you meant by the second thing.

 

[The Saltening]

OpenSUSE isn't niche but isn't as popular as Ubuntu based distros, not even close, so if you're brand new to it all Mint, Ubunutu, or any *ubuntu derivatives like Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu, etc would be easier to find support for as what works on one will almost always apply to the rest.
I don't even know what discover is.

So I am pulling my hair out right now trying to wrap my head around gpu drivers. I hear drivers are built into the kernal? I have a 9070xt and on windows it gets updates pretty often to fix issues and add features. I know mint is "behind" opensuse on updates or something. How tf do I know if things will work? Is my gpu supported on distro x vs y?

I am currently flashing opensuse 15.6 to a usb. I tried 16 beta and I think that was a mistake. I could not get zypper to find or install a single package. I eventually got steam to "install" but it didnt work.

The reason I avoided mint was because I want HDR. I think I can use application HDR on mint but full desktop HDR isnt supported. Although in opensuse 16 I couldnt find HDR even though it is supposed to be supported on plasma 6 which was installed.

How are gpu drivers handled for amd?

This entire thing is so overwhelming.

edit: im just going to install mint and see if I can even get anything working

 

[Samuel Fuller]

So I am pulling my hair out right now trying to wrap my head around gpu drivers. I hear drivers are built into the kernal? I have a 9070xt and on windows it gets updates pretty often to fix issues and add features. I know mint is "behind" opensuse on updates or something. How tf do I know if things will work? Is my gpu supported on distro x vs y?

I am currently flashing opensuse 15.6 to a usb. I tried 16 beta and I think that was a mistake. I could not get zypper to find or install a single package. I eventually got steam to "install" but it didnt work.

The reason I avoided mint was because I want HDR. I think I can use application HDR on mint but full desktop HDR isnt supported. Although in opensuse 16 I couldnt find HDR even though it is supposed to be supported on plasma 6 which was installed.

How are gpu drivers handled for amd?

This entire thing is so overwhelming.

edit: im just going to install mint and see if I can even get anything working

Maybe Linux just isn't for you.

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

So I am pulling my hair out right now trying to wrap my head around gpu drivers. I hear drivers are built into the kernal? I have a 9070xt and on windows it gets updates pretty often to fix issues and add features. I know mint is "behind" opensuse on updates or something. How tf do I know if things will work? Is my gpu supported on distro x vs y?

I am currently flashing opensuse 15.6 to a usb. I tried 16 beta and I think that was a mistake. I could not get zypper to find or install a single package. I eventually got steam to "install" but it didnt work.

The reason I avoided mint was because I want HDR. I think I can use application HDR on mint but full desktop HDR isnt supported. Although in opensuse 16 I couldnt find HDR even though it is supposed to be supported on plasma 6 which was installed.

How are gpu drivers handled for amd?

This entire thing is so overwhelming.

It would make things easier if you just took things a bit slower with it. Before worrying about hdr. Just using a Linux distro for a couple days to get a feel for things.

As far as drivers. Drivers are built with the kernel either into it or as modules. But you can also install external drivers that aren't actually part of the kernel build for things that aren't included. On most distros you are going to be looking for the linux-firmware package. But I don't use opensuse. So I really don't know what their packages are going to be.

In general if you want hrd on Linux you are going to want a more bleeding edge distro. There is a reason a lot of the gamer types use arch or arch based distros. I'm not saying to use that. But if hdr is the most important thing to you. That might be where you need to go. Like I said though. Just use Linux for a day or two. Do other things you want to do in that time outside of messing with the hdr thing. And come back to it when feel just a little more comfortable with the system.

One thing to mention. Is idk if xorg actually properly supports hdr. I know Wayland is implementing it now. But those are pretty recent changes. So only the most up to date distros are probably going to support it.

 

[Wood]

opensuse 15.6

That's ancient. AMD drivers are in the kernel, openSUSE 15.6 has kernel from 2023. Try a distro that's more current.

 

[The Saltening]

It would make things easier if you just took things a bit slower with it. Before worrying about hdr. Just using a Linux distro for a couple days to get a feel for things.

yes. I am chilling out. I am going to install mint and see what happens. Gamescope will enable HDR for gaming and thats the most important thing.

I also learned about MESA drivers so I will probably get that and LACT so I can configure my gpu since for some reason adrenaline doesnt exist on linux.

Like if I am unable to use any of the stuff I actively use idk what the point of linux is. Configuring gpu features seems like a pretty important item to just leave out. FSR4 specifically. I also undervolt my gpu in adrenaline but I assume there are alternative options for linux I can find later.

 

[GNU Abyss]

I am usually meh about scolding in the codes of conduct, that's what they are there for and you can't really avoid it these days but this is the most retarded one I've ever seen. It's beyond the boiler plate broad denouncements that you usually see and it seems super bitter for some reason.

It's this phenomenon that mainly affects oversocialized white collar workers. I'm not even sure how to call it; anti-henpecking prostration maybe? Basically, if you agree with something outside of the accepted opinions bubble, you need to get down on your knees and affirm your allegiance afterwards. I have a feeling that this entire spiel is in their CoC because:

• Chimera's core has a tendency toward minimalism. The trannysphere associates minimalism with Suckless who are, to them, Nazis and bigots
• Chimera opts to have a non-systemd default init. Anti-systemd linux users are, once again, Nazis and bigots in the eyes of the trannysphere
• AI/crypto stuff is just there for extra asspats I feel like

Consider another example, The Elephant In The Room (A).

One important thing to note is that nobody involved is against Codes of Conduct. The problem here is the Foundation’s structural dysfunction, bad leadership, and the way the CoC was used in this case as a result. I’m aware of the charged nature of the subject, and the potential for feeding right wing narratives, but I think it’s also important to not let that deter us from discussing these very real issues. But just to be extra clear: Fuck Nazis, GNOME is Antifa.

"CoCks kinda suck and make good people disappear from projects. Oh God please don't take away my source of income and stab me to death with your HRT syringes I'm still one of you guys, please. Long live Antifa".

So I am pulling my hair out right now trying to wrap my head around gpu drivers. I hear drivers are built into the kernal? I have a 9070xt and on windows it gets updates pretty often to fix issues and add features. I know mint is "behind" opensuse on updates or something. How tf do I know if things will work? Is my gpu supported on distro x vs y?

I am currently flashing opensuse 15.6 to a usb. I tried 16 beta and I think that was a mistake. I could not get zypper to find or install a single package. I eventually got steam to "install" but it didnt work.

The reason I avoided mint was because I want HDR. I think I can use application HDR on mint but full desktop HDR isnt supported. Although in opensuse 16 I couldnt find HDR even though it is supposed to be supported on plasma 6 which was installed.

How are gpu drivers handled for amd?

This entire thing is so overwhelming.

edit: im just going to install mint and see if I can even get anything working

As a general rule, the newer a hardware feature is, the less likely you are to have it supported in Linux. HDR and FSR4 sound like relatively recent developments. I don't have any of this on my machine, my only advice is consulting Wikis and forum posts.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/HDR_monitor_support
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamescope - probably something to look for, Valve's microcompositor for games

Another thing worth mentioning is that stable distros often lag behind in feature support. I know the "btw" stereotype, but it wouldn't hurt to try and install Arch or its easier flavor - EndeavourOS. I'm pretty sure even Valve's SteamOS is based on Manjaro (an Arch derivative).

 

[Aidan]

How are gpu drivers handled for amd?

Better because AMD supports Linux directly. I'm not one to talk to about HDR though because I don't care about it so it's never factored into anything for me. Apparently it's supported experimentally on KDE Plasma 6 with Wayland.

If you're new it may seem daunting but try EndeavourOS which is Arch with KDE Plasma 6. Endeavour has an installer so isn't the meme Arch experience and its package manner is very straightforward.
To install Steam, for example, you'd open the terminal and type yay steam and then type the corresponding number for the Steam package.

There's also Garuda which I know has an autistic looking gaming version, uses KDE, and is also Arch based and has an installer, though I don't know if it uses yay, you can install that after the fact if you like.

Whether Endeavour or Garuda meet your needs, I don't know, but they use KDE Plasma and Wayland so might support the features you're after. There's a post from last year where a guy got HDR working to an acceptable level for him with Garuda but at that point whatever works on Garuda will work on other Arch-based distros. https://forum.garudalinux.org/t/enabling-hdr-crashes-desktop-after-wakeup/36906/4

 

[prollyanotherlurker]

yes. I am chilling out. I am going to install mint and see what happens. Gamescope will enable HDR for gaming and thats the most important thing.

I also learned about MESA drivers so I will probably get that and LACT so I can configure my gpu since for some reason adrenaline doesnt exist on linux.

Like if I am unable to use any of the stuff I actively use idk what the point of linux is. Configuring gpu features seems like a pretty important item to just leave out. FSR4 specifically. I also undervolt my gpu in adrenaline but I assume there are alternative options for linux I can find later.

There are also things like amdvlk. The amd-pro drivers though most people don't recommend those. But there are some other things you can look into. But yeah I definitely think before diving into that. Just messing around with some other things a bit is a good idea.

You should be able to undervolt. I at least know you can with the /sys/ file system. I definitely don't recommend messing with that for anyone new to Linux. I'm just mentioning it, because I know it's a method to directly change things like that. So there is a pretty good chance there is a GUI interface to do the same things.