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Should be a wild four years.

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If we wanna verify people's age, why not tie every driver's licenses or id for anyone over 18 to a Globally Unique Identifier. Setup some sort of public and private key to confirm it.

Brilliant idea. It could be embedded in everybody's right hand, or in their foreheads. And anybody who refuses to get one can't engage in commerce of any kind. No buying or selling. What could go wrong?
 
Porn should not be accessible in a way a five year old can stumble on it, and logins and small charge tokens to access would likely prevent 90% of it.
I still believe the option of "The internet is 18+ and if you allow your child access to the internet you are doing so at your and your child's own risk" is superior. You can make the same argument about other "harmful material" (political speech, slurs etc) that would similarly need regulation and some kind of system to verify age.

Children shouldn't be fully segregated from adult spaces, but more so be present as "invisible observers". When I was younger, this used to be the case, now children have x accounts under their real name with their age (and pronouns) in bio. It would be better if we make the commitment as society right now and establish that it is child neglect to give your children unfettered access to the Internet, unless it is a situation where you as the parent deem your kid to be mature enough to handle it, like letting them play a violent video game or watch a scary movie.

Anything else is just going to restrict the fun parts of the Internet more and more. It also is bad for childhood development. We don't expect maturity from children anymore, and I am sure this is part of the cause for a lot of cases of stunted maturity in teenagers and young adults. We need to expect more from our children, instead of locking away everything that could be potentially harmful to them and only unlocking it once they have reached the arbitrary age of xy years, like they will magically learn how to deal with those things due to crossing a certain age threshold.

Most of this doesn't apply to the pornography regulation, obviously, but some of it does. The "think of the children" argument has always been gay in my opinion. If you share a space with them, of course you moderate your behavior so as to be a good role model... but nobody ever asks "Wait, why are we sharing a space with children on the Internet in the first place?"
 
This isn't something I've put a lot of thought into so I don't know a "good" way to do it that doesn't require ID verification which itself opens up another can of worms as far as data management and potential implications down the road with the inevitable data breach.
the best idea i've come up with is to have unique identifiers tied back to authenticated devices, rather than authenticated individuals. if your device has a unique ID that confirms that it's an 18+ device then access all the porn you want. no ID? assume you are using a device for a minor. this retains both anonymity for the general public, including porn websites, but gives some kind of traceable ID that can be tied to a real person if you're a law enforcement agency who has access to that kind of information. if you use your porn device to access your bank accounts and other places where your ID can be tied back to you that's on you, but if you're smart and compartmentalize your devices then when the unique ID databases that companies will try to tie to personal information eventually get leaked you'll have some protection

not a perfect system, but if we're eventually going to get some kind of dystopian nightmare internet tracking then it might as well be something that gives you some sort of anonymity. and it gives a better way to regulate the kind of content children see online. if you're an adult and you give your child an 18+ device then that's pretty good proof of negligence
 
Before the fundamental transformation - as promised by Barack Obama - is complete, the USA's demographics will resemble those of Democrat-dominated larger cities like Kansas City. That means elected representatives like Quinton Lucas:
The Democrat mayor of a city where locals fear to step outside after 8pm said he was too busy to meet with them because he was off to see Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson.

‘If we want to talk more about public safety, I’ve got Ketanji Brown Jackson to go see at 4 o’clock. I’d like to be there and get through security,’ Kansas City Mayor Quinton Lucas told Fox 4 when asked about public safety concerns.

Governing is all about priorities. Who could pass up a chance to meet with the budding Broadway star Ketanji Brown Jackson?
Downtown Kansas City has become a hotspot for illegal street racing and reckless ATV and dirt bike riders tearing through the neighborhoods – chaos that escalated last month when a police officer was hit by an ATV, Fox 4 reported.

The unfolding post-modern future is as thrilling as a movie:
The dystopian scenes are reminiscent of the Mad Max movies, which saw a ‘road warrior’ played by Mel Gibson terrorized by post-apocalyptic gangs riding motorbikes and ATVs across the Australian desert.

Lucas isn’t useless. Here he helps the Emmy-nominated neoliberals at 60 Minutes campaign against the right of self-defense:

https://x.com/60Minutes/status/1457500964181655561
https://xcancel.com/60Minutes/status/1457500964181655561

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Early on, members adopted a controversial amendment by State Rep. Matt Shaheen (R-Plano), narrowing the scope of who is actually banned from purchasing land. The amendment specifies that individuals from designated countries are only restricted if they are not lawfully present and residing in the United States at the time of the transaction—opening the door for citizens of adversarial nations to purchase land while in the country on student or work visas.
That guy’s district is full of H-1Bs:
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Without the amendment, they would have to sell their houses.

Either they’re illegally voting or he’s not representing his voters.
 
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I'm archiving this article just in case, some of the Xeets in the article have already been deleted and I think all of these statues springing up at the same time is very interesting. Whoever wrote it needs to learn English spelling though.
While it is not allowed to have statues of Thomas Jefferson or Teddy Roosevelt, among others, in New York City, a 12 ft bronze statue of a random fat black woman just standing there is certainly permitted.

The new statue in Times Square is named Grounded in the Stars. The purpose of it, according to it’s creator Thomas J Price, is to be a “stark contrast” to two statues in Duffy Square of Father Francis Duffy and George M. Cohan, and a way of “disrupting traditional ideas” of what a “triumphant figure” is.

“In a culture that increasingly encourages a faster pace, Grounded in the Stars is an introspective meditation on humanity,” the artist’s website states, claiming the statue should “instigate meaningful connections and bind into an emotional state that allow for deeper reflection around the Human condition and greater cultural diversity.”

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The Roosevelt and Jefferson statues were removed last year. After all, what did they ever do in contrast with this overweight fictional woman whose nipples are showing through her baggy t-shirt?

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Is this supposed to champion black women?
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Cut the BS, lets say exactly what this is.
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It’s part of the pursuit of uniformity, the dismantling of vibrant, diverse aesthetics, to be replaced with a sterile monoculture of sick modernity that prioritizes ideology over beauty.

In fact, this exact thing with statues of obese random black women is a thing all over the world.
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Without even realizing it the people making these things and those sanctioning their placement in public are literally erecting a monotonous, homogenized cultural landscape, all the while proclaiming they’re promoting ‘diversity’.
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The objective ugliness of these things is stifling the human spirit, while claiming to be the exact opposite.
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Hardly Michelangelo's David are they.
 
Brilliant idea. It could be embedded in everybody's right hand, or in their foreheads. And anybody who refuses to get one can't engage in commerce of any kind. No buying or selling. What could go wrong?
When you put it that way, I look like a fucking retard for saying it. Which I am.
 
There ultimately has to be a punishment for sites allowing kids to see this but realistically "kids" (teenage boys) are going to find a way.
Porn was piss easy to find before the internet, sure. But it wasn't "Misspell Disney . com and you end up on a porn site with a vagina spread on load" easy. I get where the puritanical approach comes from regarding this.

But legislating things like this never works the way it's intended. What is "obscene" to normal people and things you for sure don't want a 7yr old finding by accident (Fur faggotry, hard core sex, spread naked girls, ect...) is, I promise you, far, FAR beyond what will be considered "obscene" to a room full of stick in the ass, bible thumping retards who've failed upwards in life to an elected seat. We'll end up paying an NGO millions of dollars to come up with a CM square gridline chart around a boob to quantify the specific square inch between a felony sex offense and art, all while the kids are sharing it openly on whatever app is hot at the time and still flying under the radar.
 
Stephen Miller has always struck me as someone with some serious deviant behavior going on behind closed doors. There's a darkness behind those eyes. Like... it would not shock me in the slightest if we wake up one day to find out he's gone out like David Carradine except with a bunch of illegal porn and items of stolen clothing laid out around him. Dude gives me the willies.
Cause its the first time you've seen a jew fight your country instead of against it from the insides. Complete flip of your mental script.
 
In the conventional formulation of the prisoner's dilemma both prisoners are still punished (less severely) if neither confesses. The ideal outcome in the prisoner's dilemma is to confess when the other player doesn't--snitching!

The real lesson is that you have to know what the other guy is going to do. In real life you can't assume that other people are perfectly rational self interested actors (they aren't), which is where the real difficulty lies.
The Prisoner's Dilemma is a dumb game theory experiment because it ignores that events are embedded in larger social contexts, and few such events are without precedent and therefore will tend to already have social rules surrounding them.

So sure, if you had multiple Prisoners in a Dilemma situation, and they had no prior knowledge whatsoever that Prisoner's Dilemmas exist, then the optimal solution is snitching. Except the problem is they do have prior knowledge about the Dilemma, since it happens all the time in the real world, and so we have the social rule, "snitches get stitches."

Stalin's NKVD had a different approach. Since they had a quota of traitors to execute, they tortured prisoners until one of them snitched. Husband, wife, friends, whomever. The prisoners knew whoever snitched first would live, and the others would die. And moreover, they knew that if nobody snitched, they would all die. Thus the NKVD always got their conspirators, even when no conspiracy existed!
 
The Prisoner's Dilemma is a dumb game theory experiment because it ignores that events are embedded in larger social contexts, and few such events are without precedent and therefore will tend to already have social rules surrounding them.

So sure, if you had multiple Prisoners in a Dilemma situation, and they had no prior knowledge whatsoever that Prisoner's Dilemmas exist, then the optimal solution is snitching. Except the problem is they do have prior knowledge about the Dilemma, since it happens all the time in the real world, and so we have the social rule, "snitches get stitches."
It's not so bad. A very good rule of thumb is to start with the simplest possible model of a given situation, then analyze it to see how closely it fits a given situation. Taken in that light it's a good starting point.

Based on criticisms like yours you could modify the basic setup to include sequential games, probabilistic strategies, partial information, coordination, larger numbers of prisoners, etc. But you still need somewhere to start, which is what a very simple model gives you, even if it's not a realistic model of real world behavior.
 
Should we regulate anything that can be addictive? Should I have to show my ID to buy candy? Play a gatcha game? Regulating addiction just means a larger government. And I'm for the least amount of government getting up into my life.
I'll never forgive Libertarians for allowing their party to become the party of degenerates and retards. It wasn't always like this.
 
We'll know it when we see it.

Jokes aside, that's the difficult part about porn and the law, there's a lot of subjectivity. There ultimately has to be a punishment for sites allowing kids to see this but realistically "kids" (teenage boys) are going to find a way. The current solutions to prevent this are technical or require censorship at the ISP level which are each non-answers in the US. This isn't something I've put a lot of thought into so I don't know a "good" way to do it that doesn't require ID verification which itself opens up another can of worms as far as data management and potential implications down the road with the inevitable data breach.
Yup. And the two things this whole thing is about is a combination of "we will define obscenity" -- which is fucking impossible, but we'll see -- and we'll force ID checks.

Obscenity is relative. At my worst, when I was surfing 4chan and posting regular threads on /e/, it would take shitting dicknipples, futa, and just about any mid-tier furry shit to make me flinch. But if I asked my family members what obscene was? They'd have a VASTLY different take on things -- spread legs or a hard dick would probably do it. I don't trust any official definition to be able to be nailed down... BUT at the same time, I now recognize this as the same demoralization that made me a fedora wearing retard about religion for decades. "We can't define obscenity because we simply can't" is a symptom of demoralization. Of indoctrination programming.

I think instead of Obscene content, we could and should legally define sexual content. That's doable. Content that is intended to cause sexual arousal in normal people without a paraphilia. (This is to counteract the smug idiots who will say "what about FEET, some people find THEM hot, are you banning FEET PICS?" or the like.) Naked people in suggestive poses. Sexually aroused people. Sexual costumes like lingerie or the like.

Also, what we CAN do is make sure this shit isn't seen in "public."

Booze is a vice. It's a vice people enjoy, and some people have problems with -- but we'd never make a legal mandate for how much you're allowed to have. But we CAN do restrictions on behavior with the vice. You can't drive a car drunk. Children shouldn't be able to get booze, and we should punish kids who get booze and adults who give it to them. And if you're drunk in public or worse, drunk in public around kids, the police are going to do something about it.

Porn is a vice. We can regulate it in similar ways. Maybe I shouldn't walk down the mall and see blown out prolapsed anuses in store windows. Maybe some dude fucking his fist should be told to leave the food court. And maybe places where kids are at should especially not have porn around them. Childhood is too short already, why speedrun through it? Other than the fact that it helps the LGBTQP recruit, of course.

The problem is right now that every big tech company out there just has given up on the idea of even considering regulating shit -- partially cause the left doesn't want it regulated. Yes, there's safesearch, but it can be turned off. It's 2025 and LLMs are ascendant. You're telling me Google/Bing/etc couldn't create a LLM to scan content for age appropriateness and block underage users from accessing it? They already can detect if you're LGBT by how you touch your phone, we're going to pretend they don't use digital phrenology to detect that users are underage?

PornHub had a complete fucking autistic meltdown because a few states required ID for accessing porn sites. Why? Yes, there's a privacy concern, but I believe exactly 0% that Pornhub cares about that. No, I sure as shit don't trust the government to handle ID checks and I trust everyone else less. But what the hell else can you do? You're not going to tell Jonny Cum Lately the Furfag to stop posting his degenerate shit everywhere, he considers things that cause him sexual arousal to be a holy virtue he must share with the world. The only way out I can see is to segrigate the kids from accessing content. Personally, I think we should just block anyone from under 18 from the internet, but, that would require parents actually take responsibility and good luck with that. Plus they're prime advertisement demographic so there's no way the techbros will want to do it, so...
 
I'll never forgive Libertarians for allowing their party to become the party of degenerates and retards. It wasn't always like this.
Libertarian and Green Parties do not run on serious platforms because they know they'll never win any seats. They're not serious people because they know they're controlled opposition.
 
Wanna show your butthole getting wrecked by bad dragon dildos on stream? Fine. But the feds should put a cap on it for income. Same with YouTube and other “content creators.” I’m all for capitalism, but if you get over 100K a year shoving plastics or dicks into your orifices, maybe, just maybe, you don’t deserve it.
if you're wiling to go this far why not just ban it? it's awful for the people consuming it, it's awful for the people making and it's destructive to societies who allow it. The only reason porn is allowed in the first place is because it's being wrongly interpreted as "speech" when nobody on earth sees a video of a girl sucking a cock as anything other than what it is, a video designed to illicit sexual arousal in the viewer which is the definition of obscenity.

even if you're gonna go by the standard of the fucking retard on the supreme who came up with his retarded "I know it when I see it" standard and later the miller test, none of this stuff should be legal:
  1. Would the average person today think the work mainly tries to stir up sexual desire?
  2. Does the work show or describe sexual or bodily functions in an offensive way, according to state law?
  3. Does the whole work have no serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?
all of this describes internet porn to a T.
 
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