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In the conventional formulation of the prisoner's dilemma both prisoners are still punished (less severely) if neither confesses. The ideal outcome in the prisoner's dilemma is to confess when the other player doesn't--snitching!

The real lesson is that you have to know what the other guy is going to do. In real life you can't assume that other people are perfectly rational self interested actors (they aren't), which is where the real difficulty lies.
The Prisoner's Dilemma is a dumb game theory experiment because it ignores that events are embedded in larger social contexts, and few such events are without precedent and therefore will tend to already have social rules surrounding them.

So sure, if you had multiple Prisoners in a Dilemma situation, and they had no prior knowledge whatsoever that Prisoner's Dilemmas exist, then the optimal solution is snitching. Except the problem is they do have prior knowledge about the Dilemma, since it happens all the time in the real world, and so we have the social rule, "snitches get stitches."

Stalin's NKVD had a different approach. Since they had a quota of traitors to execute, they tortured prisoners until one of them snitched. Husband, wife, friends, whomever. The prisoners knew whoever snitched first would live, and the others would die. And moreover, they knew that if nobody snitched, they would all die. Thus the NKVD always got their conspirators, even when no conspiracy existed!
 
The Prisoner's Dilemma is a dumb game theory experiment because it ignores that events are embedded in larger social contexts, and few such events are without precedent and therefore will tend to already have social rules surrounding them.

So sure, if you had multiple Prisoners in a Dilemma situation, and they had no prior knowledge whatsoever that Prisoner's Dilemmas exist, then the optimal solution is snitching. Except the problem is they do have prior knowledge about the Dilemma, since it happens all the time in the real world, and so we have the social rule, "snitches get stitches."
It's not so bad. A very good rule of thumb is to start with the simplest possible model of a given situation, then analyze it to see how closely it fits a given situation. Taken in that light it's a good starting point.

Based on criticisms like yours you could modify the basic setup to include sequential games, probabilistic strategies, partial information, coordination, larger numbers of prisoners, etc. But you still need somewhere to start, which is what a very simple model gives you, even if it's not a realistic model of real world behavior.
 
Should we regulate anything that can be addictive? Should I have to show my ID to buy candy? Play a gatcha game? Regulating addiction just means a larger government. And I'm for the least amount of government getting up into my life.
I'll never forgive Libertarians for allowing their party to become the party of degenerates and retards. It wasn't always like this.
 
We'll know it when we see it.

Jokes aside, that's the difficult part about porn and the law, there's a lot of subjectivity. There ultimately has to be a punishment for sites allowing kids to see this but realistically "kids" (teenage boys) are going to find a way. The current solutions to prevent this are technical or require censorship at the ISP level which are each non-answers in the US. This isn't something I've put a lot of thought into so I don't know a "good" way to do it that doesn't require ID verification which itself opens up another can of worms as far as data management and potential implications down the road with the inevitable data breach.
Yup. And the two things this whole thing is about is a combination of "we will define obscenity" -- which is fucking impossible, but we'll see -- and we'll force ID checks.

Obscenity is relative. At my worst, when I was surfing 4chan and posting regular threads on /e/, it would take shitting dicknipples, futa, and just about any mid-tier furry shit to make me flinch. But if I asked my family members what obscene was? They'd have a VASTLY different take on things -- spread legs or a hard dick would probably do it. I don't trust any official definition to be able to be nailed down... BUT at the same time, I now recognize this as the same demoralization that made me a fedora wearing retard about religion for decades. "We can't define obscenity because we simply can't" is a symptom of demoralization. Of indoctrination programming.

I think instead of Obscene content, we could and should legally define sexual content. That's doable. Content that is intended to cause sexual arousal in normal people without a paraphilia. (This is to counteract the smug idiots who will say "what about FEET, some people find THEM hot, are you banning FEET PICS?" or the like.) Naked people in suggestive poses. Sexually aroused people. Sexual costumes like lingerie or the like.

Also, what we CAN do is make sure this shit isn't seen in "public."

Booze is a vice. It's a vice people enjoy, and some people have problems with -- but we'd never make a legal mandate for how much you're allowed to have. But we CAN do restrictions on behavior with the vice. You can't drive a car drunk. Children shouldn't be able to get booze, and we should punish kids who get booze and adults who give it to them. And if you're drunk in public or worse, drunk in public around kids, the police are going to do something about it.

Porn is a vice. We can regulate it in similar ways. Maybe I shouldn't walk down the mall and see blown out prolapsed anuses in store windows. Maybe some dude fucking his fist should be told to leave the food court. And maybe places where kids are at should especially not have porn around them. Childhood is too short already, why speedrun through it? Other than the fact that it helps the LGBTQP recruit, of course.

The problem is right now that every big tech company out there just has given up on the idea of even considering regulating shit -- partially cause the left doesn't want it regulated. Yes, there's safesearch, but it can be turned off. It's 2025 and LLMs are ascendant. You're telling me Google/Bing/etc couldn't create a LLM to scan content for age appropriateness and block underage users from accessing it? They already can detect if you're LGBT by how you touch your phone, we're going to pretend they don't use digital phrenology to detect that users are underage?

PornHub had a complete fucking autistic meltdown because a few states required ID for accessing porn sites. Why? Yes, there's a privacy concern, but I believe exactly 0% that Pornhub cares about that. No, I sure as shit don't trust the government to handle ID checks and I trust everyone else less. But what the hell else can you do? You're not going to tell Jonny Cum Lately the Furfag to stop posting his degenerate shit everywhere, he considers things that cause him sexual arousal to be a holy virtue he must share with the world. The only way out I can see is to segrigate the kids from accessing content. Personally, I think we should just block anyone from under 18 from the internet, but, that would require parents actually take responsibility and good luck with that. Plus they're prime advertisement demographic so there's no way the techbros will want to do it, so...
 
I'll never forgive Libertarians for allowing their party to become the party of degenerates and retards. It wasn't always like this.
Libertarian and Green Parties do not run on serious platforms because they know they'll never win any seats. They're not serious people because they know they're controlled opposition.
 
Wanna show your butthole getting wrecked by bad dragon dildos on stream? Fine. But the feds should put a cap on it for income. Same with YouTube and other “content creators.” I’m all for capitalism, but if you get over 100K a year shoving plastics or dicks into your orifices, maybe, just maybe, you don’t deserve it.
if you're wiling to go this far why not just ban it? it's awful for the people consuming it, it's awful for the people making and it's destructive to societies who allow it. The only reason porn is allowed in the first place is because it's being wrongly interpreted as "speech" when nobody on earth sees a video of a girl sucking a cock as anything other than what it is, a video designed to illicit sexual arousal in the viewer which is the definition of obscenity.

even if you're gonna go by the standard of the fucking retard on the supreme who came up with his retarded "I know it when I see it" standard and later the miller test, none of this stuff should be legal:
  1. Would the average person today think the work mainly tries to stir up sexual desire?
  2. Does the work show or describe sexual or bodily functions in an offensive way, according to state law?
  3. Does the whole work have no serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific value?
all of this describes internet porn to a T.
 

You guys remember when we fought World War 2 the Germans started and ended the war with may more advanced tech and fancy military toys but at kinda low volume and America beat them by just Mcdonaldsing their ass and bringing 11 Shermans to fight every 1 tiger, basically we destroyed them with production and logistics

some know me one here, im a retard but I know a little history, I ask all willing to engage with this point seriously, if china started, tommorow making these with bombs on them and tells us

"we are going to start sinking ever single navy vessel under a US flag we find within our territorial waters, This includes the Island of Taiwan, any use of nuclear weapons from any nation will result in a total use of all Chinese Nuclear weapons onto American citys, however we will not use a 1st strike nuclear policy"

Short of us using nuclear weapons how do we credibly go up against a never ending supply of cheap drones? Only strategic bombers could reach as far as China from US soil and we have less than 200 of those, they would be gone in a month of continuous strikes. Hell we allow the use of modern strike aircraft and it only buys us another 1,500 or so.

I think we might have been outmaneuvered on this one and its kinda just a matter of time but Im open to be shown another perspective, if you wanna ad hominem me thats fine just please have a concrete reason why my logic is wrong aswell please
 
Libertarian and Green Parties do not run on serious platforms because they know they'll never win any seats. They're not serious people because they know they're controlled opposition.
Once upon a time the Libertarians were actually trying to win the elections, Michael Badnarik (2004 Libertarian Presidential candidate) was arrested for trying to attend the 2004 Presidential debates, the Green Party candidate too. I have always strongly felt that if Badnarik had been given the same platforms that the Republican and Democrats were given he could have gotten people to vote Libertarian in 2004 especially but the people in charge would never let a 2004 era Libertarian anywhere near the national spotlight.
 
Can you people ever just jerk off in private? Why do you always have to try to force other people to witness your fucking fantasies
I noticed that leftist humor often focuses on "shock" humor. But, in this post-internet world, very little is actually "shocking" compared to the perversion and gore we've already seen, so leftist "humor" just comes off as pointless vulgarity and isn't funny. I started noticing around the time that Sausage Party 1 came out. It wasn't funny, it was just crass. Since leftists aren't allowed to make jokes about people, but any and every sexual perversion is fair game, leftist comedy leans into vulgarity but still manages to miss being funny.
I’m so conflicted- does Thanedar look more like a burn victim that survived a car fire? Or an acid attack victim from London?
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He has the worst dentures I've ever seen. They're ill-fitting and the bottoms look like they're ready to fly out at any second when he talks. They're also badly matched to his remaining teeth. You can see in the back, the natural, yellowish-gray snaggleteeth that remain in his head. The only way that those white teeth in the front are his teeth is the fact that he paid for them in full (and he didn't pay nearly enough).
At this point, I wonder how many of the anti-boomer posters just really hate their parents. Maybe I’m sheltered, but most of the boomers I associate with are nothing like the descriptions that constantly get posted here.
Intergenerational hate is a manufactured anti-white psyop. I include millennial and zoomer hate into this mix.

I've also noticed that a lot of (((people))) on this site have a strawman view of other groups they don't belong to, and spend endless hours beating those strawmen into dust. I don't think it's a coincidence that these (((people))) are the fiercest about essential members of healthy families, such as mothers, fathers, and grandparents. Imagine what a power grab if white families could be separated and turned against each other; why, we're already halfway there! A little more pressure and the American family will be gone, along with the middle class.
 

You guys remember when we fought World War 2 the Germans started and ended the war with may more advanced tech and fancy military toys but at kinda low volume and America beat them by just Mcdonaldsing their ass and bringing 11 Shermans to fight every 1 tiger, basically we destroyed them with production and logistics

some know me one here, im a retard but I know a little history, I ask all willing to engage with this point seriously, if china started, tommorow making these with bombs on them and tells us

"we are going to start sinking ever single navy vessel under a US flag we find within our territorial waters, This includes the Island of Taiwan, any use of nuclear weapons from any nation will result in a total use of all Chinese Nuclear weapons onto American citys, however we will not use a 1st strike nuclear policy"

Short of us using nuclear weapons how do we credibly go up against a never ending supply of cheap drones? Only strategic bombers could reach as far as China from US soil and we have less than 200 of those, they would be gone in a month of continuous strikes. Hell we allow the use of modern strike aircraft and it only buys us another 1,500 or so.

I think we might have been outmaneuvered on this one and its kinda just a matter of time but Im open to be shown another perspective, if you wanna ad hominem me thats fine just please have a concrete reason why my logic is wrong aswell please
Every time I come into this thread you're in freakout mode. Calm the fuck down already.
 
Since leftists aren't allowed to make jokes about people, but any and every sexual perversion is fair game, leftist comedy leans into vulgarity but still manages to miss being funny.
Its very schizo

There is that korean american comedian margot cho. Who basically tells jokes about being a fag hag, gay sex, mocks her mother.

She got the first sitcom as an asian woman and it was built on her comedy.

All the shit she did in 1990s and her stand up material would be grounds for cancleation. But she gets a pass.

Fuck I still rememebr Patt Oswalt's angry bit about black angus and has the line "doors lock from the outside faggot!"

I ve seen parents try to push their view of sexuality on their kids, kids being stupid and not IMO sexual creatures nod and go along with the bullshit. Then purberty hits and it turns out most kids are straight if you dont molest them.

Also the messyness with dealing with hormal children...fuck they get ferral, I would question why any person would want to interact with them. Now I m picturing a trans person of color showing a jr classroom 2 girls 1 cup. when we both know swap.avi was the king of shock shit.

On the topic of porn I was hooked up to my schools DC++ server and I had anime, I had movies, I had whole seasons of the simpsons. You know what everyone took from me?

Porn...and the classical music section of my mp3 folder.

That was it i would look at the log and it would be

porn
porn
porn
porn
classical music
porn
classical music

made me think people were watching porn and setting it to classical music.
 

You guys remember when we fought World War 2 the Germans started and ended the war with may more advanced tech and fancy military toys but at kinda low volume and America beat them by just Mcdonaldsing their ass and bringing 11 Shermans to fight every 1 tiger, basically we destroyed them with production and logistics

some know me one here, im a retard but I know a little history, I ask all willing to engage with this point seriously, if china started, tommorow making these with bombs on them and tells us

"we are going to start sinking ever single navy vessel under a US flag we find within our territorial waters, This includes the Island of Taiwan, any use of nuclear weapons from any nation will result in a total use of all Chinese Nuclear weapons onto American citys, however we will not use a 1st strike nuclear policy"

Short of us using nuclear weapons how do we credibly go up against a never ending supply of cheap drones? Only strategic bombers could reach as far as China from US soil and we have less than 200 of those, they would be gone in a month of continuous strikes. Hell we allow the use of modern strike aircraft and it only buys us another 1,500 or so.

I think we might have been outmaneuvered on this one and its kinda just a matter of time but Im open to be shown another perspective, if you wanna ad hominem me thats fine just please have a concrete reason why my logic is wrong aswell please
China is a paper tiger. Their power is mainly based off of appearances. The People's Liberation Army hasn't fought a war since 1979. Who knows how drone warfare would work against Taiwan or any of China's neighbors.

China's Achilles Heel is the 3 Gorges Dam. I've already mention that one bad rainy season could cause it to self destruct. A powerful explosive could take it out. With it, a lot of china.
 
China is a paper tiger. Their power is mainly based off of appearances. The People's Liberation Army hasn't fought a war since 1979. Who knows how drone warfare would work against Taiwan or any of China's neighbors.

China's Achilles Heel is the 3 Gorges Dam. I've already mention that one bad rainy season could cause it to self destruct. A powerful explosive could take it out. With it, a lot of china.
They also don't have a blue water navy of any significant size. Their airforce is outdated even though they've been trying to upgrade it to modern standards. Their nukes are probably at least half filled with Water. If the Soviets/Russians are any indication, they have corruption all throughout the military and most of their soldiers are probably not up to Western standards in terms of fitness, training or overall skill.
 

You guys remember when we fought World War 2 the Germans started and ended the war with may more advanced tech and fancy military toys but at kinda low volume and America beat them by just Mcdonaldsing their ass and bringing 11 Shermans to fight every 1 tiger, basically we destroyed them with production and logistics

some know me one here, im a retard but I know a little history, I ask all willing to engage with this point seriously, if china started, tommorow making these with bombs on them and tells us

"we are going to start sinking ever single navy vessel under a US flag we find within our territorial waters, This includes the Island of Taiwan, any use of nuclear weapons from any nation will result in a total use of all Chinese Nuclear weapons onto American citys, however we will not use a 1st strike nuclear policy"

Short of us using nuclear weapons how do we credibly go up against a never ending supply of cheap drones? Only strategic bombers could reach as far as China from US soil and we have less than 200 of those, they would be gone in a month of continuous strikes. Hell we allow the use of modern strike aircraft and it only buys us another 1,500 or so.

I think we might have been outmaneuvered on this one and its kinda just a matter of time but Im open to be shown another perspective, if you wanna ad hominem me thats fine just please have a concrete reason why my logic is wrong aswell please
You are really underestimating the capabilities of a bog standard surface warships to do everything from close in defense to, to electronics warfare to just being to able to take hits and keep fighting anyway.

That entire drone swarm could easily be shredded by one of the Sea Wizards, incidentally.

 
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