What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[Bonesjones]

You don't even need to know very much about Freud's work, it lays it out pretty bare.

Except none of that is accurate or valid. There is no desire for annihilation or returning to a mother's womb or whatever fake kikery Fraud was saying.

They don't seek self destruction, they seek oneness with all of humanity. They fight on the terms of how it plays out, with Shinji's mom's secret plan ultimately working. Which is the rejection of "instrumentality" because ultimately being your own person and learning to deal with life is the whole purpose of reality.

There's literally no sexual desire for a mother figure at all, Shinji regularly rejects all of it.

The Remakes are also Anno just saying he wishes he never has to deal with EVA again because he wants to move on with his life and you should to.

 

[big pauper]

I don't really care for the rebuild movies and they changed the planned plot with each movie, if they even had a plan. But for the show all the Evangelion theology stuff is background framing to the introspective character analysis, which is about isolation, the self, and psychological introspection, which follows Freud's ideas fairly closely. See the whole Hedgehog's Dilemma, the desire to return to the mother's womb, the desire for self destruction and return to primordial nothing (Death Drive, Thanatos), Pleasure principle, and the sexual desire for a mother figure, Asuka having borderline personality, etc. You don't even need to know very much about Freud's work, it lays it out pretty bare.

while those are all true there's a little bit of jung. evangelions are obviously representations of a profound shadow that overshadows a significant portion of the pilot's conscious life and the tremendous cost of projecting it. to fight their personal demons the pilots have to descend into their unconscious and forcibly overcome the trauma caused by poor relationships with their parents by becoming their shadow and fighting the will of god itself.

so i think the theology stuff is a bit more than background framing but it's certainly not surface level or the real meat and potatoes of the joint. quite a lot of people have independently looked at it and thought it was a refutation of post-enlightenment jewish faith so there must be something to it. even if it's just bits of the collective unconscious coming through

 

[SphinxItOver]

I am so sick of seeing that fake ass dumb map.

Does the us government have an underground tunnel highway system?

Yes. Even mini railroads between cities.

Does the US government have operational underground facilities?

Yes. Sometimes you hear about rando gov owned cave storage facilities from time to time. Like the retirement paperwork cave. I think the civi side is far more interesting with logistics. Just check out any random trucker videos covering ANY of the states caves. Many are former government facilities. I bet null would love the cheese caves.

Are all of the underground cave storage systems in the midwest all connected?

That's a when and where 'it depends" question.

Does the CIA have ground penetrating imaging systems that use synthetic aperture radars?

Mandatory SAR WARS jokes must be made. Why have your own when you can just borrow from NASA or just put one of your spokes into a civi owned business.

 

[Bonesjones]

Mandatory SAR WARS jokes must be made. Why have your own when you can just borrow from NASA or just put one of your spokes into a civi owned business.

Don't you mean the https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Reconnaissance_Office ?

They give NASA their spare parts (literally).

 

[big pauper]

Yes. Sometimes you hear about rando gov owned cave storage facilities from time to time. Like the retirement paperwork cave. I think the civi side is far more interesting with logistics. Just check out any random trucker videos covering ANY of the states caves. Many are former government facilities. I bet null would love the cheese caves.

it's less so much about the existence of the cheese caves, because they just straight up tell us about them. where they are, how to get to them, how much cheese there is, etc. the ground is easy to dig into and very stable and there's a huge benefit to building temperature controlled facilities underground. there is no element of secrecy to the cheese caves. but they are only a small portion of a much larger massive scale logistical facility that is rented out to multiple private entities, large enough to store an entire meat packing plant alongside the cheese caves. It serves hundreds of tractor trailers a day and is connected to a freight railway system

I know that building a giant underground highway is an entirely different endeavour than just building a storage space but if you were going to hide something like that in plain sight you would do it in a place like that, especially in an underground facility with miles of roads inside of it that already sees massive logistical traffic.

 

[Fek]

This recent topic is a fun one that crops up once in a while.

I'd suggest that one looks to the underground passages (and "cities") which are more widely-known. They are, indeed, quite a real thing and are very extensive. Likewise, there are underground passages beneath most "old town" sections of the major cities within the US and Europe. I'd wager most of you have heard of the Paris Catacombs, as an example. Now, the tunnels all around the region of Turkey nodded to in the first link may look nothing much like the tunnels under Paris, or New York, or Chicago. However, I would suggest that those lurking under cities were a combination of being touched up "original" tunnels and newer segments added for..well, I'm not going to go into their more modern uses here, friends.

Either way, I have become convinced that most of those tunnels were there before so-called recorded history. They are very, very, very old, and created using techniques foreign to most in present day. I would suggest the process used to shape those tunnels is very similar (or the same) to the manner in which many other inconvenient-to-narrative structures around this place were created.

This cycle of humanity isn't the first one with "advanced" building techniques, friends (to put it very incompletely and mildly). I am confident any of you who desire to approach this topic in good faith will walk away with a similar realization.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Mandatory SAR WARS jokes must be made. Why have your own when you can just borrow from NASA or just put one of your spokes into a civi owned business.

I read something about this a long time ago, and I wish I could remember where. It was more like NASA borrowing it, if I recall. Remember when National Geographic did the NASA pictures of the underground Nile River tributaries in the late 80s or early 90s?

That was a basically a deliberate soft disclosure of capabilities. "Hey Ivan, see our pretty pictures? We could also see all of your ICBM fields and bunkers the whole time, and if we can see it, we can target it! Its a good thing that whole Cold War never went hot, eh Ivan? Wink Wink Nudge Nudge!"

There's been a few "Look, Science! But you better read between the lines Ivan" moments.

 

[NoReturn]

I'm tired of talking about whether a chinese cartoon called "new genesis gospel" is kosher or not so we're gonna talk about deep underground military bases
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Does the us government have an underground tunnel highway system? Does the US government have operational underground facilities? Are all of the underground cave storage systems in the midwest all connected? Does the CIA have ground penetrating imaging systems that use synthetic aperture radars? Is the ending scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark actually a realistic depiction of the alien cloning facility under Dulce new mexico?

I used this map in my post about the Grand Canyon, so I want to point out a few things in the Southwest. Maybe someone can chime in on the other regions.

1. This map overlays a base in the Grand Canyon, there really was military buildout there.
2. There are abandoned bases in Colorado for Titan missiles that line up pretty well, too. (Look up "Goat Canyon")
3. There are a ton of caves in Arizona and Utah where we don't know where the entrances are of if they exist, but if you could bore your way to them you'd have plenty of space to use for military purposes.

This cycle of humanity isn't the first one with "advanced" building techniques, friends (to put it very incompletely and mildly). I am confident any of you who desire to approach this topic in good faith will walk away with a similar realization.

Again I must also point out that the Hopi say they got to the Grand Canyon area by traveling via caves.

 

[teriyakiburns]

I read something about this a long time ago, and I wish I could remember where. It was more like NASA borrowing it, if I recall.

The NRO donated two space telescopes to NASA in 2012, though they would have to build out their own isntrumentation and sensors on them. One is set to become WFIRST, which is intended to operate in a similar manner to Hubble, but primarily in infra-red wavelengths. There's no public plans for the other yet. I'm pretty sure a significant amount of Hubble is re-purposd NRO hardware as well, but nobody was willing to admit it.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

The NRO donated two space telescopes to NASA in 2012, though they would have to build out their own isntrumentation and sensors on them. One is set to become WFIRST, which is intended to operate in a similar manner to Hubble, but primarily in infra-red wavelengths. There's no public plans for the other yet. I'm pretty sure a significant amount of Hubble is re-purposd NRO hardware as well, but nobody was willing to admit it.

Hubble is a modified KH-11 Keyhole which is why they were able to get a replacement mirror so quickly. And they were shipped in the same containers.

 

[VisaMallgoth]

Evangelion was based on Anno reading Freud and thinking it was deep, any of the theological stuff lining up is likely coincidental as probably linked to the underlying collective consciousness ideas that Jung researched. At least that's my take.

I'm pretty sure most of these Otaku creators get introduced to Freud or Jung during college, sometimes as mandatory work, so whatever Kabbalistic residue there is could come from there or at least provided a starting point for them that eventually got them into it. Generally speaking, the Japanese are meticulous regarding their work, so i don't believe that they are ignorant concerning any of these subjects or that they picked it because it looked cool or whatever bs excuse he uses so he won't get blackballed from the industry.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

You can tell me that I'm misunderstanding all you want but I don't care about your interpretation of what tikkun olam means. I care what rabbis and religious authorities say and you aren't a rabbi, you don't have any say in the interpretation of jewish religious text. Chabad and My Jewish Learning do not back up your statements, by the way

How are you getting felted this bad? I pointed out what it plainly means and how it's plainly opposite to gnostic thought, you're scrabbling to recover anything and leaving with the cope that I'm not a rabbi.

There's tons of Jews who are greatly learned and who are not rabbis, all that being a rabbi means is that you got smicha and people trust you enough to give moral/halahic determinations.

Frindly reminder that Im still waiting for your reasoning of what Judaism or Kabbalah says about where all new soul parts to full the growing population of the world come from!

Iirc it comes from already existing souls, soul parts can split into further parts

 

[AnOminous]

Like you say, it's a no-brainer, except that it got flagged as a way to lampoon racists as "they all look alike". It's just a biological fact, though obviously it's one that should be overcome. If you can't tell the difference between two people of the same race, then that's a limitation you should seek to consciously remove from yourself. Nothing more embarrassing than the guy who confused Samuel L. Jackson with Morgan Freeman on air.

Even literal infants recognize "one of us" traits. Until very recently in evolutionary history, living or dying depended on it.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Iirc it comes from already existing souls, soul parts can split into further parts

This is getting downright Scientological...

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

This cycle of humanity isn't the first one with "advanced" building techniques, friends (to put it very incompletely and mildly). I am confident any of you who desire to approach this topic in good faith will walk away with a similar realization.

so then why is it that we haven't found any examples of prehistoric mines that used advanced techniques?

 

[big pauper]

I'm pretty sure most of these Otaku creators get introduced to Freud or Jung during college, sometimes as mandatory work, so whatever Kabbalistic residue there is could come from there or at least provided a starting point for them that eventually got them into it. Generally speaking, the Japanese are meticulous regarding their work, so i don't believe that they are ignorant concerning any of these subjects or that they picked it because it looked cool or whatever bs excuse he uses so he won't get blackballed from the industry.

i think they set out to do a work on self actualization through psychoanalysis and more or less did the surface level stuff about freud and the unconscious stuff about the esoteric parts of jungian psychoanalysis. the christ archetype is a fully actualized, integrated self and that's pretty much what christ symbolizes in christianity too with the logos. the gnostics were not very fond of the concept and despite dying out as a religious group they clearly influenced hermeticism as a school of esoteric thought which ultimately ended up being one of the bigger influences towards kabblah

our resident agitator is going to present these things as being completely separated and ridiculous to conflate but the crucible of hellenistic greece was very large and made a lot of things

 

[Meriasek]

This cycle of humanity isn't the first one with "advanced" building techniques, friends (to put it very incompletely and mildly). I am confident any of you who desire to approach this topic in good faith will walk away with a similar realization.

Depending on what "advanced" means I'm inclined to agree. I'd definitely not be surprised if human civilisation had been around longer than what we think, possibly far into the last ice age. Or even before. I don't think it had been more advanced than maybe early bronze age, so no 100k old high tech, but I do think we might underestimate early humanity quite a bit when it comes to creating stone structures.

 

[Overly Serious]

Depending on what "advanced" means I'm inclined to agree. I'd definitely not be surprised if human civilisation had been around longer than what we think, possibly far into the last ice age. Or even before. I don't think it had been more advanced than maybe early bronze age, so no 100k old high tech, but I do think we might underestimate early humanity quite a bit when it comes to creating stone structures.

And a point to note is that bronze was both valuable and easy to recycle so as old bronze artefacts wore down and broke, people would re-purpose that bronze. There could have been Antikythera mechanisms all over the place and we'd still only know of that one instance because the ship it was on sank.

 

[big pauper]

Depending on what "advanced" means I'm inclined to agree. I'd definitely not be surprised if human civilisation had been around longer than what we think, possibly far into the last ice age. Or even before. I don't think it had been more advanced than maybe early bronze age, so no 100k old high tech, but I do think we might underestimate early humanity quite a bit when it comes to creating stone structures.

"recorded history" only goes back about 5000 years and we don't really have anything before babylon. the current narrative is that humanity didn't develop agriculture until about 12000 years ago and agriculture was the impetus for developing the religious and writing systems that organized humanity. the problem with this narrative is that there's evidence of large scale settlements up to 12000 years ago and past that you start running into the issue where the sea level was different enough that human settlements would be in completely different places, that's long enough ago that it's pushing against the end of the last ice age. these people obviously had to have agriculture to keep cities that large alive, and not just the beginnings of agriculture, they already had to know how things worked to have multi-generational settlements.

like our entire understanding of cunieform tablets is based on the fact that we only have the ones they bothered firing in a kiln, which means that they made a specific choice to preserve them instead of just turning it into another blank slate. History is only valuable if you give it value and i don't think that concept really began until hellenistic greece after the greco-roman-egyptians realized that all of their societies had a common origin point that wasn't just an idiosyncratic myth.

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

As an weeb, Eva had a very bizarre and troubled production leading to the series being as unique as it was. It started as a more typical mecha show, albeit Anno did want themes regarding psychology as he frequently battled Depression. There were a ton of rewriting scripts, and the tone got darker midway through the season. The studio was also having major budget issues, so the money for animating giant robot fights was less and less so they then focused on the psychological aspects that required less animation. Staff was leaving, the remainders were overworked, there was the Sarin Gas Attack midway through airing the show and that hit the whole of Japan really hard, Anno was losing his damn mind as only the Japanese can, and basically shit was fucked so they shit out the last two episodes.
Eva is peak clusterfuck.