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https://news.sky.com/story/row-over-new-greggs-vegan-sausage-rolls-heats-up-11597679

A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
So what gives? I'm not joking when I say that, prior to visiting Kiwi Farms, every single person I ever met from Wales was a straight up edgy nihilist or a straight communist who hated England. These weren't Cardiff dudes, either, and none were students, academics, or business types in a normie setting. I'm genuinely curious about political viewpoints in Wales now.
You'll get a variety of political views in Wales, from 'Independence from the United Kingdom now!' (Plaid Cymru/Party of Wales) to the young woke pro EU types in Cardiff and Swansea (now mainly Liberals and Greens) and the old school Socialists who've been kicked out of the Left and now who vote for Reform UK.

Years ago, I would have been for Lord Anthony Wedgwood-Benn and John Smith (possibly the greatest Prime Minister we ever had, when you consider who succeeded him and them became PM only three years after Smith's death). I have personally never been Tory, though I do admire Margaret Thatcher (despite her failings) and consider her the best PM so far of my lifetime having been born almost 40 years ago. Major was dull in comparison, Blair was only good for the first four years, Brown became a one-eyed wrecking ball, Cameron was not too awful but did nothing to level up the rich-poor divides (I will still be thankful to him for allowing a vote on Brexit, even though we got a BRINO deal), May tried but the Tories didn't want 'Maggie 2', Boris was...Boris, Sunak was terrible and Starmer's worse than all of them combined.

As for hating England, that's just passe and dull - even when Wales are playing England at kickball or egg-throwing etc. I don't hate England or English people at all. South Wales' first language is English, though I am fluent in Welsh/Cymraeg, therefore these kids going 'I hate England' is daft, they're talking the language of people they claim to hate. The English like a bit of banter with us as well and they don't truly hate Wales or the Welsh - there might be a bit of envy that for such a small country we continue to punch way above our weight globally with Wales being home to Sir Tom Jones, Dame Shirley Bassey, Stereophonics, Alun Wyn Jones, Sam Warburton, Gareth Bale etc.

How would I describe myself? A Socialist at heart on permanent loan to the Far Right.

An interesting story about a young girl who was banned by the FA for making remarks about a transgendered woman opponent:


I just wonder if the FA will apologise.
 
If reform are winning come next election, Labour and Tories will form a coalition to stop them. You can take that to the bookies.
There's more overt and long-lasting hostility between the two parties for that possibility IMO, as well as politicians (moreso Labour than Tories) who would absolutely not want anything to with them. Like with the idea of a Muslim PM, it requires a very particular set of circumstances to come about. If Reform win (assuming the polls at least trend accurately) you'd more likely see Labour or the Conservatives try and form something with the Liberal Democrats to cinch a majority. The Lib Dems have formed a coalition with the Tories before in recent times (and they were the prime target for the Tories for coalitions as far back as 1974 when they were simply called 'The Liberals') but occasionally Labour seek to form one with the Lib Dems (Called the Lib-Lab pact) — regardless, to form a coalition government you need no party to achieve a majority in parliament, or to willingly invite another party in even after achieving one (like Blair almost did in '97 with the Lib Dems).

If you just mean "Non-Reform parties will vote down Reform bills", then... yeah? That usually always happens except with a few outlier MPs, like that one Blue Labour MP who occasionally votes for a Tory/Right-wing bill. Though I imagine some Conservatives would vote with Reform on a few things regardless of the party line. A couple pages back someone was bewildered by the Lib Dems opposing Keir alongside the Conservatives and Reform despite the party's politics. It's just a thing that happens in governments.
 
If reform are winning come next election, Labour and Tories will form a coalition to stop them. You can take that to the bookies.
So in a hypothetical situation this happens, I honestly believe there would be riots in some parts of the country. It's obvious that everyone is just done with Labour and certainly with the Tories and a lot see Reform as the only way to try exit this 2 party system at the moment (as much as I would disagree with that). If in one last death gasp Labour and Tories formed a coalition to stop Reform from taking the majority then to many people that would just be blatant confirmation that were not allowed to exit this system, no matter how much we vote.

The kick back it would get would be far worse then what Germany did when they did this against the AFD and in France with National Rally. I don't see it happening (more likely it would be Labour and lib dems) but if they ever did then they are just setting themselves up for one hell of a violent response.
 
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Love that every single thing the Labour government is doing resulting in a [everyone disliked that] response. Unfortunate that their ineptitude will have implications for us. The electorate are doing all they can by signalling they will vote reform and I take heart in that because a year ago that was unthinkable. It needs to be drummed into people that we either piss some non indigenous people off now or its civil war later.

I strongly encourage posting UK news with a flavour of your favourite lolcow for some levity.
 
Dylan Tippetts, said he can no longer represent a party "that does not support my fundamental rights".
‘I’m fine with my party removing freedom of speech and surrendering the country to foreign invaders, but don’t you dare tell me I’m a girl!’
How would I describe myself? A Socialist at heart on permanent loan to the Far Right.
Might pinch that.
 
There's more overt and long-lasting hostility between the two parties for that possibility IMO, as well as politicians (moreso Labour than Tories) who would absolutely not want anything to with them
I honestly believe there would be riots in some parts of the country.
With all due respect, and I can't word this any better so don't take it as a snipy comment, but this is 2025, not 2005.

The media machine can, and will if needed, be spun up to point out how a 'far-right' party cannot be allowed to win. You say it will lead to riots? only from the poors - in the eyes of the champagne socialists at least. You say the parties are too different for this to happen? Labour is cutting disability allowance, has its' eyes set on decimating pensions and has rid the pensioners of their winter fuel bill.
Not but a fag paper separates the modern tories - led by a female black, and labour - led by a muslim with an arm up the arse of a bespectacled, sweaty, closeted poofter.

Look toward France, Germany and Romania for a hint about what happens when a populist and supposed 'far-right' party gets anywhere near the popular vote. If the uniparty can't stop them from winning votes, then they will stop your votes from counting.

Now there is a chance that niggel farage will cuck out and do thy bidding of the old tories, or offer himself to whomever can offer him power, but if reform become a voice of the disenfranchised, that voice will be silenced and any violent protest stopped in its' tracks.
 
With all due respect, and I can't word this any better so don't take it as a snipy comment, but this is 2025, not 2005.

The media machine can, and will if needed, be spun up to point out how a 'far-right' party cannot be allowed to win. You say it will lead to riots? only from the poors - in the eyes of the champagne socialists at least. You say the parties are too different for this to happen? Labour is cutting disability allowance, has its' eyes set on decimating pensions and has rid the pensioners of their winter fuel bill.
Not but a fag paper separates the modern tories - led by a female black, and labour - led by a muslim with an arm up the arse of a bespectacled, sweaty, closeted poofter.

Look toward France, Germany and Romania for a hint about what happens when a populist and supposed 'far-right' party gets anywhere near the popular vote. If the uniparty can't stop them from winning votes, then they will stop your votes from counting.

Now there is a chance that niggel farage will cuck out and do thy bidding of the old tories, or offer himself to whomever can offer him power, but if reform become a voice of the disenfranchised, that voice will be silenced and any violent protest stopped in its' tracks.
If that is the case, then protestors on the Right need to use the playbook of the Leftwing protestors - accuse those criticising them of being the bigots and racists, turn the tables on them and call the MSM all the horrible names that they call us:

'Yes, I am protesting because my elderly neighbour almost froze to death last winter.'

'Hurr hurr, old people don't matter though!'

'Oh my God, that is so offensive, my elderly neighbour is part of the Windrush generation...'

'Oh, oh my, I didn't think..'

'I bet you hate the fact that she also has an elderly partner who is also black? You are, in my opinion, a disgusting racist... hey everybody (dog whistle gesture) this person is a racist... shame, shame shame!'

Do that enough times and they will be too scared to counter your arguments.

The one thing I hope that does happen is that the authorities try and ban Reform UK, as the Police and Army will not be able to stop the riots that will happen - the Army is down to about 50,000 (roughly the size of a town like Merthyr Tydfil) and the Police may well decide to stand with their families, friends and neighbours instead.

No amount of stamping his feet or pounding his fists on the floor will then save Starmer - he'll be lambasted as a joke at this point by all sides and it will then be in Labour's best interests to press the 'get rid' button.

Remember, the longer Starmer stays, the more a liability he remains - it's largely because of him that Labour suffered the record drubbing last week and lost one of their 50 safest seats in Runcorn & Helsby.

Add in to the mix the fact that Gray is trying to protect McSweeney and she may well be tempted to round on Starmer in a revenge plot (what does she know about Rachel Reeves being seemingly unsackable?) which could bring the whole party down.

'Give them enough rope' as The Clash album states.
 
'There will be riots in the country soon'. They say on a forum requiring a VPN to post on due to the laws enacted by their previous governing party and enforced by the currently governing party.
Give it time, there is only so much nonsense that people will tolerate.

He's hated by all sides, and 1/3 of Labour voters at the last GE now deeply regret voting for him - something which Labour never did years ago, admitting they got it wrong.

Starmer's already running scared of the people - he's never here to answer to his party's incompetency.

We just need the fuse to be lit and then BOOM.

One more 'Southport' or 'Nottingham' and a NPC response from Starmer will be the straw that breaks the British camel's back.
 
The media machine can, and will if needed, be spun up to point out how a 'far-right' party cannot be allowed to win.
I kind of went into this particular line of thought a while back, but the media machine is only effective if people are actively consuming it. After Covid, more people embraced the internet and computers, so the number of people seeking their news and info from elsewhere increased by quite a lot.

The older generation still watch a lot of TV, but they're also the same generation that Labour rely a lot on and they took a hammer to their bennies. I'll try to keep my response here as precise as possible:
1.Online news now matches TV in popularity (71% vs. 70%), with social media playing a key role—over half (52%) use it for news. While TV remains dominant for older audiences (85% of 55+ adults), younger people (16-24s) overwhelmingly prefer online sources (88%), especially social media (82%). TV news entities like the BBC still reach large audiences (68%), but their influence is waning, with four of the top ten news sources now being social media platforms. Trust in traditional outlets remains higher, but newspapers continue to decline, and TikTok’s role as a news source is growing (11% of adults, up from 1% in 2020).
2. The above is used in conjunction with the recent report that the police can't keep up with online 'misinfo'. I.E. the internet is more effective at getting to people than you think.
You say the parties are too different for this to happen? Labour is cutting disability allowance, has its' eyes set on decimating pensions and has rid the pensioners of their winter fuel bill. Not but a fag paper separates the modern tories - led by a female black, and labour
It was back-to-back death of political stereotypes these past five years: Conservatives stopped being the austerity-loving racists for rich people and Labour stopped being the spend-happy, immigrant-loving benefits party for poors.

The Conservative being anti-immigrant party died in the public's eyes in 2023 when they attempted the Rwanda scheme (wherein it was revealed immigration has been on the constant rise every since they got in - again, like Labour's cuts, the Conservatives willingly put the 700k a year figure everywhere.) and stopped appealing to the people who overlap with the Lib Dems because they were as happy to spend money and raise taxes as Labour were.

Labour quickly died in the eyes of a lot of people less than 6 months after winning the election when they proposed scrapping the winter fuel allowance like you said, revealing they weren't different from the party they just replaced in terms of long-held stereotypes of the party. It was really that easy. This was also a self-own on Labour's part, since anybody who stilled relied on the TV for their news saw this plastered everywhere.

The parties appearing more alike in the eyes of the public is more detrimental to them both than it is a boon. It ostracises their most hardcore voters. "I want Labour, not Tory-Labour!" and vice versa.

If Ami, Ali, or whatever his name is, is the true leader behind Labour, you ought to be thanking him for help destroying it from the inside... of Starmer's ass.
Look toward France, Germany and Romania for a hint about what happens when a populist and supposed 'far-right' party gets anywhere near the popular vote. If the uniparty can't stop them from winning votes, then they will stop your votes from counting.
I look like a prick because I cited those three as being in a worse state than the UK, and they are, but beside France, the CDU guy who replaced the SPD guy in charge of Germany's spy agency lifted the 'extremist' label from the AFD (safe for now), and in Romania the same Right-wing guy won (again) and it caused the PM to resign. Basically, whilst it might appear they're omnipotent and will get their way in the end, they're order of things also succumbs to entropy — it'll eventually die. They're trying their best to delay but despite their machines they can't really keep up. Romania's telecom deputy wanted to suspend Tiktok prior to the first election due to the Right's surge of popularity, which like the above report about Southport, they really can't do much when it comes to individual exposure to 'misinfo' (uncomfortable facts).

If it means anything for France, Le Pen is trying to appeal her sentence. It's unlikely to work, but even Macron is afraid of what barring her from the election would do. (Helps to remember that the EU did this) Push to come to shove, there's a bloke who can run in her place.
Now there is a chance that niggel farage will cuck out and do thy bidding of the old tories, or offer himself to whomever can offer him power, but if reform become a voice of the disenfranchised, that voice will be silenced and any violent protest stopped in its' tracks.
This is honestly the biggest and genuine worry, and is probably at greater odds of happening than the rest.

There's a handful of things Farage/Reform have promised that if they were done at bare minimum, would massively benefit the Right (Free speech protections being the number 1) but if he tries to absorb the Tories or continue to try and prove he's not a racist to people who would never vote for him, nothing might get done about immigration (which his comments and banishment of Lowe seem to imply) and any attempts to implement some sort of constitution for free speech might fly out the window, so there's still a bad outcome to a total Reform victory in that situation.

It's the hope that Reform will become the party people want it to be because the MPs within it are more "based" than Farage that makes them winning worthwhile, assuming we don't get a shock upset by Lowe coming in with a steel chair of a party.

But still, the Tories imitating some of Lowe's rhetoric and Labour are trying hard to appear like they give a shit, so the more and more the disenfranchised make themselves known, the more and more the mainstream parties will need do just to keep their poll numbers in the double digits (Except the Lib Dems, who'll inexplicably remain at 13% until the heat death of the universe). Which might push Farage kicking and screaming into actually voicing opinions on immigration that Reform voters agree with.

With all due respect, and I can't word this any better so don't take it as a snipy comment, but this is 2025, not 2005.
God, how I wish it was.
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