Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

Re: Anachan to chubby.

A huge part of the munchie dynamic is that these girls are using it as a way to avoid expectations.

They're thin, kind of pretty, dancers, high achievers, whatever. And they don't want to be. But they don't have the strength of character to just say, look, I'm going to be mediocre. I'm going to eat cheetoes and watch TV and drop out of college. Munching is a built-in excuse. I'm not insufficiently talented. I'm sick. I'm not flaking out on obligations because I want to stay in and watch TV. I'm sick. I'm not dropping out of college because I'm unmotivated. I'm sick. I'm not slacking on exercise and deconditioning. I'm sick.

Ironically they get wedded to the "sick" role, and they trade a few years of parental disapproval as they bum around post-high school or post-college for a lifetime of playing sick.

Thinness is another expectation they shrug off. I'm not eating like crap and gaining weight. I'm sick.

 

[Alamo basement dweller]

In other news, I am having serious lactose withdrawal symptoms now that I am up to date on this thread. My morning coffee is just not the same. Any recommendations on other amusing threads with similar flavour to entertain me?

I recommend Victoria/Victor Markhoff’s thread in the Stinkditch for a wonderful mix of munching and gender speshuls. Also, for a nice long read that mixes delusion, extreme obesity, and recently a lovely chronic illness arc check out Anna O’Brien AKA Glitter and Lasers in the Deathfats forum. While not quite the same as the munchies, both feature women who have had every opportunity to lead a perfectly privileged life but instead have chosen to make complete assholes of themselves on the internet while spiraling downward and blaming everyone but themselves for their very solvable problems. It’s glorious. Both are absolutely wonderful cows. Top notch lactose.

 

[tipsy otter]

Late to the discussion about OCD vs OCPD, but for what it's worth, the classic keyword for the distinction is that OCD is ego-dystonic while OCPD is ego-syntonic.

That is to say, in OCD the obsession/compulsion cycle does not align with one's view of themselves or the world. Like "what if my friend dies because of me, so I have to text him every hour on the hour", which is distressing because you hope your friend doesn't die and here you have to desperately do your best to keep him alive.

Meanwhile, in OCPD, the obsessions and actions of control don't involve the same kind of distress because they're seen as an extension of the personality. E.g., "I have to be slim and perfect so I never eat even a morsel of bread, and this is just how I am". There can be some distress but one is not being driven to do things to avoid distressing obsessions; instead the obsessions align with one's moral beliefs and values ("I should strive to be slim and perfect").

OCD is more akin to an anxiety disorder (while uniquely characterised by the obsession/compulsion cycle), and OCPD is a personality disorder, i.e. pervasive across a person's life and affecting their interfacing with the world. Both can entail poor insight.

 

[Not_a_Doctor]

@The Jewel of the Nile @Alamo basement dweller and @Oracular Slug thanks for the recommendations. I think the Tard Baby one would make me too sad and angry to provide suitable early morning entertainment, the GRS surgery doctors would involve looking at too many mangled pictures of assorted genitalia and that stuff is ugly as fuck to look at even when it hasn’t been out through a meat grinder. I think the deathfats are a good place to go and will provide adequate motivation for me to get off my own fat ass and do some exercise.

@tipsy otter that is a perfect summation of the difference between OCD and OCPD. Could not have put it any better.

I’m afraid I am not going to be very useful in providing fresh meat for the thread as I don’t have any social media or frequent Reddit. I do like to take a look at some of the more ridiculous subreddits from time to time (chronic illness, EDS, rare disease <<< because it is full of EDSers and not a single person with an actual rare disease) and came across this entertaining detour.

Spoiler: MAID for MCAS

Chances of getting MAID . Took a pic but can’t post it so here is the text:

“What are the chances of getting MAID (esp. in Europe)? My MCS symptoms got a lot worse - I react to everything and have trouble just getting through the day. I live in hell! I read about a woman who got medical assistance in dying in Canada. I rely on donations and can‘t even afford MAID on my own but I wanted to know whether that‘s even possible or doctors will just gaslight me. THANKS!”

The user in question (morelov33) aka Laura / Lori has been posting this across various reddits, most of which have removed the post (took some pics for posterity but can’t post from iPad) but did succeed in schilling her Go Fund Me. She is seriously looking into MAID for MCS which she calls“a rare, incurable chronic illness that is associated with unbearable, daily pain”. Here is an excerpt of her sob story for those not wanting to click through. Get the tissues out for the river of tears you will cry:

“Unfortunately, there is no prospect of healing or relief, and the pain increases over time. It’s a horrifying feeling when you can no longer endure it in your body due to physical limitations and can do nothing about it. Every second is filled with immense suffering […] I am seriously ill, bedridden, and forced to live in isolation from the outside world. Breathing pain and neurological symptoms from my illness are especially troubling. I am severely restricted, and my health is in an extremely bad state. The physical and emotional pain is so overwhelming that I now feel compelled to take the final step – the decision for euthanasia.”

Immediately made me think of Bart’s frog-prince: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h80ZlYQtpg

Unsurprisingly, her family does not support this decision! She also wants money to get her own place. Not sure why she needs it if she just wants to go get MAID and shuffle off thus mortal coil?

As you probably already know, MCS is not seen as a valid diagnosis among most medical professionals who don’t have the word “integrative” in their title.

John Hopkins: Multiple Chemical Sensitivities

NIH Paper: Multiple Chemical Sensitivities

I feel for the future genuinely terminally ill people who have made the painful decision to end their life who will undoubtedly be waiting on lists to die while special snowflakes like our friend Laura clog up the referrals process. Recently we read that our beloved Sad Walrus has also succeeded in obtaining the right to die (we presume, although sounds like she just wants to starve for attention and not take the quicker less attention seeking route) and we’ve had idiots like Hope Otto claim they are going through VSED. I can just see MAID becoming another resource that these vapid malingerers will use it as just another way to seek attention.

Oh, and if you hadn’t already guessed, she has BPD too! Who would have thunk it!

I’ve tried to sleuth her out but as I don’t have any of the toks, books, or grams I’ve hit a dead end. If anyone can link me through to her I’m happy to continue searching for entertaining nuggets before she catches wind of any mockery of her utter ridiculousness on our part.

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[athousandrustynails]

Talking about MAID when you have a functional pair of arms that can fashion a noose and a perfectly sturdy door in your home is hillarious.

I happened on someone in a city sub presumably sympathy farming by asking what the best things to do were before they sought assisted suicide. Detecting a whiff of the munch I went to their profile and they had many posts where they casually mentioned their plans for assisted suicide due to "chronic pain" but seemed to be entirely able bodied. You may want to argue the bit with me on this but they were also a tranny. Had to stop myself from pointing out that sleeping tablets and vodka are widely available and affordable. The country they live in doesn't even have assisted suicide.

 

[Hyacinth Bucket (Bouquet)]

Your chances of getting MAID for MCAS in Canada are probably not bad. I know of people who got it for chronic fatigue/EDS reasons. Canada sees its citizens in a pretty dim light. A MCAS patient probably takes up a lot of medical resources and doesn't work. Better to usher you out and try to import someone else to take your place.

 

[Polychromos]

(Sorry for not delivering yet, I'll try to finish something today!)

Late to the discussion about OCD vs OCPD, but for what it's worth, the classic keyword for the distinction is that OCD is ego-dystonic while OCPD is ego-syntonic.

That is to say, in OCD the obsession/compulsion cycle does not align with one's view of themselves or the world. Like "what if my friend dies because of me, so I have to text him every hour on the hour", which is distressing because you hope your friend doesn't die and here you have to desperately do your best to keep him alive.

Meanwhile, in OCPD, the obsessions and actions of control don't involve the same kind of distress because they're seen as an extension of the personality. E.g., "I have to be slim and perfect so I never eat even a morsel of bread, and this is just how I am". There can be some distress but one is not being driven to do things to avoid distressing obsessions; instead the obsessions align with one's moral beliefs and values ("I should strive to be slim and perfect").

OCD is more akin to an anxiety disorder (while uniquely characterised by the obsession/compulsion cycle), and OCPD is a personality disorder, i.e. pervasive across a person's life and affecting their interfacing with the world. Both can entail poor insight.

So technically an eating disorder could be fueled by both? The ones that claim OCD obviously usually sound more like the OCPD type, but it could technically be "if I eat something my little brother will get into an accident", which would be OCD. Am I getting this right?

"Unfortunately, there is no prospect of healing or relief, and the pain increases over time. It’s a horrifying feeling when you can no longer endure it in your body due to physical limitations and can do nothing about it. Every second is filled with immense suffering […] I am seriously ill, bedridden, and forced to live in isolation from the outside world. Breathing pain and neurological symptoms from my illness are especially troubling. I am severely restricted, and my health is in an extremely bad state. The physical and emotional pain is so overwhelming that I now feel compelled to take the final step – the decision for euthanasia.”

I feel for everyone with lots of allergies. But it's so funny that the "reactions" the munchies show off are so light. You don't have to have an insane allergy to get quite the reaction. And I totally get that even mild allergies might be draining to someone, but they don't even claim allergies most of the time. "I'm sensitive to everything" is such a red flag. I miss the munchie trend of showing off minimal/normal reactions to allergy tests.
This woman defeneatly sounds like a munchie, but I also think the whole "chronic illness community" (including non-munchies) makes people give up on their quality of live way sooner than it used to be.

As you probably already know, MCS is not seen as a valid diagnosis among most medical professionals who don’t have the word “integrative” in their title.

Wow, highly scented stuff, cigarettes and toxic fumes are bad for you! What a revelation Obviously some people will be more sensitive than others. They must be special!

Talking about MAID when you have a functional pair of arms that can fashion a noose and a perfectly sturdy door in your home is hillarious.

I happened on someone in a city sub presumably sympathy farming by asking what the best things to do were before they sought assisted suicide. Detecting a whiff of the munch I went to their profile and they had many posts where they casually mentioned their plans for assisted suicide due to "chronic pain" but seemed to be entirely able bodied. You may want to argue the bit with me on this but they were also a tranny. Had to stop myself from pointing out that sleeping tablets and vodka are widely available and affordable. The country they live in doesn't even have assisted suicide.

I 100% agree. I'm pro assisted suicide for people who are not capable of doing it themselves. Even then, there should be an intense process behind it. It should be hard to achieve. Better yet, I think there is a level of medical care that really shouldn't be an opt out, but an opt in.

 

[tipsy otter]

So technically an eating disorder could be fueled by both? The ones that claim OCD obviously usually sound more like the OCPD type, but it could technically be "if I eat something my little brother will get into an accident", which would be OCD. Am I getting this right?

Yeah, that distinction would be correct, plus a tinge of "I really want to eat but I really must not because otherwise my brother could die". I wouldn't say "eating disorder" per se since those are particular clinical entities, but the disordered eating behaviours themselves (eg restriction, pickiness, etc) could be caused by a number of other things, too.

(For example, one could also control food intake in a pathological way driven by a belief that food is a vehicle for nanobots deployed by the CIA to spy on people (delusions of persecution eg in schizophrenia), etc.)

Not really sure how this OCD tangent ended up becoming a thing, but hope making the distinction was of some service.

ETA: It would probably be more of a digression, but maybe when I'm less busy at work I'll go a-hunting for something I read before on personalities and distinct clinical phenotypes in anorexia nervosa for our collective curiosity. (If I read it and didn't just fabricate the memory.) Or if anyone recognises the idea and thinks it would be a good contribution, go ahead.

 

[OrSoHelpMe]

Some British chick quietly trademarked the term “tubie”, waited until enough time had passed no one could contest it, then reported all the other Etsy shop owners that used the word, which was a lot of shops. Got a bunch of shops permanently taken down, the whole community lost their minds, she posted an apology video with her nose hose promising to stay off Etsy for a few months so that there will be more customers for rest of them while they rebuild.

https://youtu.be/0ovrpEIZ5z4?si=IiEOeZcre3ajJf0w

Not exactly the girls we talk about here, but I’m sure they are caught up in this drama.

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

Charlise Fischetti fka charliseyy part 2. We left Charlise when she was getting her body hacked up after covid quarantine sent her teenage life off the rails. She was sabotaging all attempts to get her fed while her mommy dutifully googled more reasons she can't eat and begged doctors to dose her with more morphine. She pretended to be unable to feel her legs, faked seizures, screamed about ceaseless pain all while doctors, even some of our favorite lunatics, tried to tell her family this was all an act. In our second, final, fatal act Charilise decides she is going to try to get attention from the Queen herself.

Spoiler: NOTICE ME TAYLOR!

I think I forgot to add her talking about how tall she is into the first one as proof-ish, so here it is.


I thought she was discussed on one of the dead subreddits like MunchSnark because this is not the only time she will imply or state she sees what people are saying about her in other places. I got her name from a person who was involved in those subs which I rarely if ever visited. But i asked and they said if she was discussed, they don't remember it.


Her weight is still dropping from her very obvious eating disorder.


It's all because of the second surgery now. "I am slowly dying." No, she's pretty rapidly dying. She just hasn't fully committed to the bit yet.


Seriously, how many of these girls just constantly talks about how everyone knows she's faking for attention and internet fame? i don't think I've ever seen one bring it up so often.


Please remember your anorexic friends when the food holidays roll around. She should have pulled a Cheyanne and made her family cook and eat their meals in the garage so she doesn't have to smell or look at it!


Over on Tiktok she tells us she just got her cord detethered for the second time and she's once again pulling the paralysis act. At least she proved she was bloated as fuck after MALS surgery.


She now has a spine infection. And she's tagging Taylor Swift in every post.


she's been in for a month this time. She has had four more spine surgeries, a central line "fell out" and had to be replaced, two feeding tubes, c. diff again, and psychosis and now she suffers from severe memory loss.


I'll just leave these older stories about her ripping her hickman out here, then.


these posts from a few weeks later show what happened to all her tubes. First she wailed that they were too painful because of 12th Rib Syndrome then she fucked with the tubes until they were infected and gross and had to come out.


And this thing about her "worst dream ever" "it wasn't a dream" was that the doctors told her she couldn't have the pain medication she wanted


The surgeries didn't fail. The surgeries mostly went fine save maybe the spine infection. She just had no intention of getting better and used them as a springboard for the next thing.


Mommy now takes her body checks for her.


here's mommy to update us when there's drama.



She turns 19 and lets us know she's totally bedbound, can't wash herself, can't brush her hair or change her clothes. How do these girls STAND this?! Like if they aren't all just lying, how do you just lay in your own grease and sweat like that all the time and not just feel so disgusted and itchy all the time. I feel like it's human nature to want to feel clean. I also want to point out that she's home in this photo. That wire thing behind her is a cage for one of the family pets. But she still has all the hospital bracelets on and the chemo caps.


She calls the ambulance for a blip on her bloodwork and gets admitted by screaming she's in pain and can't move from the waist down again. The only sensation she has in her leg and foot joints is her many many dislocations. She still can't pee and has become catheter dependent and because of this gave herself a bunch of UTIs and an AKI. Don't worry, they're giving her opiates on demand again and doing a bunch of scans that will surely turn something up!


Ear to ear grinning and giving a thumbs up while being so, so scared of a blood transfusion despite launching herself headfirst into extremely risky surgeries over and over.

Spoiler: Single White Female

She gets a sepsis while admitted and has to have all her lines pulled and replaced. Of course, this is the fault of the trained medical staff who handle central lines every day, not the barely-educated teenager whose entire fragile identity is wrapped up in being sick and living in the hospital.


But mostly she's crying that because of this she won't be able to see Queen Taytay on the Eras tour. Please @ taylorswift!!! Come visit your number one fan in the hospital!!! Genuine question, because I live under the pop culture equivalent of the sarcophagus they encased Chernobyl in. is it just because she's the biggest thing to hit pop music in decades or is there something specific about Taylor Swift / her music that draws these girls to her? I know that Halsey chick claims she's a dazzling zebra but I don't see too many of them crawling up her skirt. Meanwhile off the top of my head I can think of Amanda Winig, Jordan Asbee, Tricia Melland, Grace Harestad, Shelby/Julian, Brynn Duncan, Sophie Phillips, and Alexx Petrilla who are confirmed swifties, most of them to the point of shelling out for Eras tickets.


I guess it's because she writes the kind of music sad little girls and walking personality disorders relate to? I really only know that one about "I'm the problem it's me" one because Amanda Winig liked a lot of Etsy stuff with those lyrics so I looked it up.


Any normal person, disabled, ill, or otherwise, would be mortified to post this.


Mom makes her last regular update to the gofundme



She got to see Queen Taytay, by the way. Even got a special concert in the ambulance on her way there thanks to the EMTs!! Of course she'll have to go right back to the hospital after


she made a big dramatic show about how terribly she suffered to experience a few hours of live pop music. That's sunburn.


She even showed off the 8" row of bracelets she wore that caused the tan lines. I want to know when "dedicated concert outfit skinwalking the artist you are seeing" became the thing. The wisdom I absorbed is "don't be that guy." You paid to see the band. Everyone in there already knows you are a fan.


There's people with nerve cancer and rare diseases that turn their muscle to bone but sure kid, fake dislocations are the most painful condition known to man.


Charlise won't just skinwalk Taytay at her show. Even someone who lives under a nuclear sarcophagus knows that she is now trying to make herself look like Swift with this haircut, cardigan, and red lipstick. Chemo caps out, Swiftie Chic in. This post is just bragging that a charity built her a ramp and she also got a custom power chair and a hospital bed for her home. She explains that the reason they always had to get an ambulance for her before was because she couldn't get out of her own home and had to have EMTs transport her. She tried to crawl down but she had so many dislocations. I don't know why her parents couldn't just support her down those few steps but whatever, ambulance is big prize I guess so instead of the logical solution they called one. (Spoiler: I never saw proof of the power chair. If she ever got it, she only posted it to stories and didn't care enough to save them as highlights.)


I did find proof she's been wanting the bed for ages.


Oh I just noticed the tag. Mercedes Benz Stadium is not in Charleston. It's in Atlanta, 5 hours from where she lives. So what was with the ambulance ride? It's not like they took her to Atlanta. And now she has a ramp so even if it was true that she couldn't get down the stairs before she can now. I also just noticed she has a bag of peepee hanging out under her chair. Gross. If she can put the clocks on her chair why couldn't she have made a little pouch or something to hide that?


And now I had to go back because I didn't know what this thing on the ground was next to her and my brain registered it as a deflated mylar balloon and discarded it as unimportant. No, that's a big bag of bloody piss and she's just tossed it on the ground next to her.


I went in her stories to see if she was mentioning this symptom and oh god


other than that she was just saying she had bladder problems from birth and had rare foley malfunctions the nurses had never seen. Probably because normal people don't sabotage their pee tubes. She also put off her urology appointment for weeks.


Two years after she had it, her MALS surgery is deemed a complete failure. Her artery is compressed again. In 2022 they kept taking her off TPN and she spent months without nutrition. I'll give her one thing - unlike most of our girls I NEVER see evidence of her eating and drinking. I'm sure she was, even our deceased giga-skelly Sofia Rodriguez copped to eating candy and Tricia Melland whose intestines and stomach are literally falling apart inside her body shows off her treats (as long as she drains them, tee hee!) But this one? I don't think I've seen her with so much as a cup of black coffee.* She has a tentative appointment with a surgeon in Tennessee for revision of her MALS surgery now that Hsu is also giving her the radioactive treatment. (Also laugh at the "I can fix her" in the comments.)



*lol I wrote that before I went through her stories. nah she was another one who had her "so worth it" food/drinks and also showed herself taking handfuls of pills orally. She just kept it to story posts so i would have missed it.


In the slides she tells on herself yet again. Here she lets us know the hospital in Connecticut knew she was faking the paralysis and urinary retention and told her she needed to get up and use the toilet like a normal person. She claimed she couldn't urinate at all at the time. Now she's saying she just couldn't feel when she had to go and couldn't get herself to the toilet so she would just piss the bed. And the thing that made her stop faking and start walking was.. they put her on steroids. so reminiscent of Tilly when she was in the blue cube. She too faked seizures, pretended she couldn't walk, pissed in her bed, and freaked out over getting steroid fat. I gotta imagine when they started pumping this one full of solu-medrol it made her "I can't even have a sip of water" act hard too keep up with.


And the last slide is just admitting that like Tilly her mummy can't keep out of the google searches, and the hospital back home telling them even if she found someone willing to cut her open the surgery was experimental and unproven and she should not go through with it. She sure showed them by getting it anyway and claiming it caused tons of new problems and made her much worse.

Spoiler: the bad kind of attention

Ah yes. Paralyzed, in crippling pain, hips dislocate if you look at them too hard, needs an EMT crew to get her down her porch steps, but all that goes out the window when she sees Taylor Swift in person. Then she can bounce in her seat, stamp her feet, and dance around. This clip went viral and has almost 200k likes on it in the instagram version, but zero comments. Hmmm.

Yeah, she got eaten alive. Looks like most of the comments were just dudes going around laughing at obsessed swifties acting like they just saw Jesus Christ manifest in their living room, but some seem to have cottoned on to the fact that her entire Internet presence is an exercise in look-at-me.


Two days later she posts this. She arrived in Tennessee for her new MALS surgeon appointment. The next day they were in a minor car accident when her sister supposedly was in an impossible situation where she could not avoid impact with a stationary object (???) and Charlise is rushed to the hospital in an ambulance because of the severe damage this jolt caused her. The ER diagnosed her with a very rare disease called "whiplash" but she screams for pain meds and gets them. They also find she's dehydrated and her potassium and blood pressure are super low. Eating disorder says what?


Thank you mommy for letting me put you through endless anxiety and heartache to feed my personality disorder. I always somewhat hope with the dead ones, that their delusional families didn't realize in the 11th hour that their daughter did this all just for attention and drugs and to protect an eating disorder. But I have a feeling mom liked having a sick kid to be the warrior mama of.


What she didn't let us know in the grid was she went back to Tennessee a few weeks later and had some mystery surgery. The first post makes this sound like it's another compression quack and it might be, but if it was, she blew her shot by carrying on like she always does.


Aww she really was a G. Here's her posting some of the many times she got called a faker, an attention-seeker, a waste of resources, a grifter, etc. Apparently she had posted some videos of her having "seizures" and the people who have/know someone who has actual epilepsy were not amused by whatever she did. Someone even made a fake Charliseyy account exposing her lol. And yeah, confirmation she was roasted on "the forums" somewhere. The way they worded this - not on reddit or something but the forums - makes me think it was some Taylor Swift fan forum that was ripping her to shreds for skinwalking the Queen and faking her health problems. I found no proof of this. But I did find that...

The Daily Fail wrote an article about her and other little spoonies crying on Tiktok for attention.


And she actually has a lot larger of a footprint than I thought when I sat down to do this. Rremember how the tiktok was originally for her crocheting? She has a personal, @charliseyy f/k/a chronically.charlise, that started right after the first neck surgery. I don't know why I didn't just assume that was the case when all I found was the crochet one and try the username except I truly didn't intend for this to be anywhere near this extensive. Here we learn she claims she needed to cut that baby-fine hair she's got because it put less weight on her neck.


She sure does swing her head around for someone who claims incredible pain, balance issues, and seizures from CCI.


The weird jailbaity shit is so much worse in video format oh my lord.


MALS celiac block and bragging she puked up her tube.


That "shirt" I was confused by is something called a brami which is basically a longline bra you wear as a shirt. Can we please bring back shame and just a little bit of modesty? Also nice subtle brag about sizes.


I understand why the teenage girls don't realize how obvious their shit is, but how do the parents not notice? I have to assume mom is in on it when her kid is strutting around like this, reveling in her weight loss and hopping around on one leg for attention, but they insist she needs a wheelchair and dilaudid and desperately wants to eat.


"Medical malpractice." The only malpractice I see is sociopaths giving young girls surgery on demand for minor structural abnormalities they know are not causing any real issue.


This is your brain desperately trying to get you to eat before you die. You need food, your lizard brain assumes there's a famine, then it smells meat and goes "EAT THAT RIGHT NOW."


She apparently used to post herself crying on Snapchat (?) all the time. These are only two from a montage.


The surgery that led to the cancer clout era. It was never a port. It was a broviac then a hickman but all the cool girls and cancer kids get ports.


and the drama that ensued after it. I forgot that it was only a few weeks between when she got it and when she managed to end up with sepsis.


Twice. How differently could this have gone if the doctors said she was incompetent to care for a central line?


her Hsu tattoo and another time she feels she needs to remind people most of her doctors don't believe her.


And we have the crying videos and her clapping back that people say it's for attention. There's only a few, but I think she must have had a lot more she deleted after the Daily Mail article because she's saying here it's not her fault the algo pushes that content.


Lol @ this one complaining about people competing to be the sickest. She constantly compared her pain and symptoms to everyone else's and she almost invariably claimed every treatment made her worse. The only time she ever claimed improvement was when she was scrambling to explain why she was getting discharged from the hospital despite claiming she was in excruciating pain and couldn't feel her legs.


But she's totally unable to walk. Can't even crawl down a few steps to get in the car when she needs to see a doctor because she dislocates her everything. Better call an ambulance! Mom HAD to know. This one dumb video has convinced me mom was totally fucking complicit.

Then the account is silent until Taytay time, and we also see the first acknowledgement of the fake account, and that catches us up. Unfortunately did not deliver on the fake seizures. This is also the reason I went back in her story highlights, but no luck there either.


She also has a Swiftie account I am not looking at because oh my fuck I do not care.. TIL Taylor Swift snowglobe. Who ARE these people?

Spoiler: Collision course

Moving on, she goes quiet on instagram for a long time but is still on her formerly crochet themed tiktok to announce she's had another fusion and it went wrong. Again. Same fucking song and dance. Totally bedbound, excruciating pain, blood infections, and she gets a revision to the fusion trying to ease these symptoms.


Finally back on Insta to talk about the third fusion. This time she's also pulling an Andie claiming that her head is completely flopping around on her neck and she can't support it at all. She has to have her head supported all the time like a baby or else it just flops backwards like something out of Death Becomes Her.


Nah. She's supporting her head just fine.


She also accused this hospital of doing a mystery surgery on her without her consent while also bitching that they weren't given her enough pain medication and benzos to keep her obliterated.


The next post is her crying, holding her head up, followed by another tay swift song montage of pics of her figure skating. Aww they booted her out.


Another surgery and she's so so so scared. Can't you tell by her placid smile? Again?


So the story here is that she got the one fusion, pretended she couldn't hold her head up, then interfered with wound healing for a month to the point where when they went in to revise this fusion the old one was still wide open in places


also she lost sensation to the top of her head this time and can't believe they don't have a solution.


And back to skinwalking Swift. And telegraphing her ED so hard people can see it from space.


We learn she's back in the hospital and for once she actually talks about the intended theme of this crochet account (but also lets us know she's far too sick to crochet now)


tl;dr doctors who don't give me every pain medication I demand for the pain they know isn't real are BAD. Hospice baiting at the end.


what the fuck what the fuck what the FUCK?! She didn't shower for so long that the crusty dead skin on her looked like dirt and her hair was completely matted into a ball, and in 2023 she only showered five times total. Pretend she's actually bedbound, actually as disabled and dependent as she claims. She wants to shower but she can't because of her disabilities. And no one has helped her get clean for four months. No one has cared about this bedbound, paralyzed woman enough to give her a basic sponge bath and wash her hair for her, not even bed wipes and a rinseless shampoo cap. In any circumstances, this is abuse. You wouldn't let a newborn baby, your demented nana, or a Luna-tier potato sit in their filth for four fucking months, why would you let a physically disabled but mentally aware adult who is saying she wants to be clean? The comments are full of other women feeling validated because they also haven't showered in months. Mom's complicit, mom loves her dying daughter drama.


Her last post on her personal tiktok is February 2024, just some dumb lipsync video.


Turns 20, dressed like Taytay, big bag of infected piss on the bed, and she's been dreading it because it means she's no longer a teenager. This one really, really did not want to get old. And she didn't! "I hope I live through my 20s." Also WHY THE PISS BAG??? WHY IS IT BRIGHT RED??? Massive infection? Are her kidneys shutting down now? That's what that is right? That's a bag of bloody pee? Why would you just put that front and center, if it was a necessary and unfortunate factor of your life?


She ends up in some official Google video about the Eras tour and gets even more attention.


Hey remember when I said I wasn't looking at her Swiftie account? Yeah I didn't believe me either. She's silent on all platforms for weeks then comes back to that account to show off she's once again in the hospital and looks worse than ever. She's pale, almost grey, and drawn. What the fuck is going on with her teeth? Are her gums bleeding? Lipstick? It doesn't look like that in later videos so I don't think it's that the teeth are so see through from purging we can see the insides. Also seeking attention from other pop singers now.


Back to her insta account to hospice bait some more.


Did you guess that this was all an attempt to get Tay Swift's attention by saying she's dying in posts tagging her? No she did not show up at the hospital. It was a reel showing she's in bay 13 and she's also shown that she writes that number on her hand all the time when she's skinwalking Taylor, but I'm an adult with a whole personality so I don't know what that means. (Curiosity got the best of me while editing. Taylor claims thirteen is her lucky number.)


Septic. And showing off her thigh gap.


Over on the swiftie account she's talking about this gross male surgeon who no longer loves her and won't slice her open since she turned 18 and that means he's a pedo. Or, hear me out... she aged out of pediatrics, and he knows she's on a collision course and refuses to participate anymore.


Wonder if it had anything to do with the growth that appeared on the fusion incision she picked and picked at.


On the crochet account, she's getting an EEG, looking like the walking dead, and tagging Selena Gomez. It's the last post she makes there.


Over on the Swiftie account, fangirling aggressively about this other person. I've never even heard of this one but she tags her too, still trying to get attention from one of these pop stars for the poor little dying girl. It doesn't work. There's a few more inconsequential posts, then it goes silent too.



A new Threads account appears for her. There's only one post announcing she's on pediatric hospice. While this may sound like our typical ana-baby-girlchild brag about how she's so small she needs to be in children's hospice, there's actually a really important distinction here. The post she makes is barely coherent and people think it's a hack. It just looks like she or her mom is using talk to text.



The next proof of life, she turns 21 and confirms my talk to text theory. And there it is. At age 21, you age out of pediatric hospice. In the US, to qualify for adult hospice you have to stop any curative treatments you receive. You are saying "I accept that I am dying and will not get better, please let me pass as comfortably as possible." If you have cancer, you stop chemo and immunotherapy. If you are in kidney failure, you go off dialysis. Pediatric hospice is treated as an add-on. Your kid does not have to stop treatment for their terminal cancer to enter hospice. They can continue life-extending measures because they are children, and because it helps their family feel like they did everything possible, and because hospice services extend to things like respite care and therapy for parents and bereavement preparation for healthy siblings to help them understand what is happening. So far as I know, it has to do with insurance companies not wanting to pay for expensive treatments for a futile disease course, but an amendment to the Affordable Care Act added in provisions for children and young adults under 21 to receive both curative and hospice care. Once you hit 21, that's kind of it. You go off your curative medicine and die, or you stay on your curative medicine and die, because the point of hospice is there is no hope for recovery. I do not think there is no hope for Charlise to get better if she wants to.


She says the address she keeps dropping isn't hers. That's true. It's her older sister's


Here's her house.


And there's the wheelchair ramp.


Every platform is silent after this until April 2025 when mom updates everything - all three of her tiktoks and her instagram plus some other platforms I didn't mention because there was nothing unique posted to them - to announce she's passed. The entire post is about how terrible doctors didn't believe her but she sure showed them.


I did some googling but I can't find an obituary or anything else about her. Mom's facebook is full of sorry-for-your-loss comments, and so is her sister's, and I don't doubt this one chose the nuclear option at the end.

There were so many people trying to stop this one, so many times she got read the riot act by a doctor or cut off her pain medications and booted from the hospital or denied some surgery because she invariably claimed every treatment made her worse. Even people in her own family tried to reason with them and say she didn't need all these surgeries and drugs. Unlike Tricia or Cheyanne whose organs were totally fucked by the time they were in their late teens, this one still could have saved herself pretty much right up to the end but chose not to. It wasn't like Taylah Keating who made that one decision to pursue a radical experimental surgery she didn't need and never got to take that back. She just slowly chose to stop existing because the biggest pop star in the last 30 years didn't respond to her desperate act.

Social media was a mistake. Do not let your children use it. I truly do not think there was a good ending here. If one of these pop singers she tagged over and over had responded to her, I think it would have just made her dig deeper into the role hoping for more attention from them and consequently die faster.

I'm not completely heartless. I think the bulk of the blame here lies on the adults, not just her ultra-enabling mother and the doctors who agreed to cut her up, but in general. Covid quarantine fucked these kids up. They spent months or years in their bedrooms staring at their phones with no face-to-face interaction with their peers, no choir practices or soccer tournaments to eat up their free time, nothing to do. These kids just wanted someone to remember they existed.

As for what killed her, who knows? ED caught up with her, infection, kidneys finally gave out, some combination of that and pain meds. Doesn't really matter I guess. What a waste.

 

[Otterly]

Even people in her own family tried to reason with them and say she didn't need all these surgeries and drugs

The buck stops with the docs IMO. Like trannies, ONLY doctors are prescribing and ONLY surgeons are operating.
We demonise gatekeeping and this is the result. What a waste.

 

[butterscotch latte]

Does gainsbyrissy and her 'unicorn organ production' count? She's not anorexic, guiseee, she was just born with petite like organs and a liver disease that is 'immune to her'! Her stomach rejects laxatives, she has bile reflux, OCD, ADHD, diabetes, and a tonne of food intolerances (that miraculously, she manages to eat and survive anyway)... obviously she's not just starving herself!!

She's borderline illiterate from years of starvation so I'm not surprised she can't keep her story straight. (In this first post, she originally said her stomach was overproducing bile, someone in the comments told her the liver produces bile, and she promptly edited the caption and deleted their comments)


Stole this from Reddit, a comparison of her apparent intolerances and her actual diet

 

[GooseDisrupt]

How do these girls STAND this?! Like if they aren't all just lying, how do you just lay in your own grease and sweat like that all the time and not just feel so disgusted and itchy all the time. I feel like it's human nature to want to feel clean.

I have been wondering about this for a while. Without wishing to PL, the only times I've been incapacitated, I couldn't think of anything other than getting into a shower and washing my hair.

I guess the difference is that most sane people are looking forward to feeling better, and these people are wishing they'd get worse?

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

And no one has helped her get clean for four months.

This was a really bizarre part of this story. I thought maybe she was just being dramatic, but she's really filthy with super matted hair. How? Why?
I guess someone could have been prompting her every day to get up and get clean and she just refused, but someone with half a brain should have just said no, you have to bathe. It really does become neglect.

 

[brooky]

I don’t really understand the question - what would an ”environmental” cause of munching be? I’m not being snarky, I genuinely don’t get it.

Late to the convo but I'm certain the pandemic didn't help. Any kid already prone to health anxiety, or with parents prone to health anxiety, could easily be permanent psychologically damaged by the lockdown. Even worse if they actually knew someone who died from covid, or a bad bout with it themselves. Combine that with social media and I think you have a perfect environment for munchies.

 

[Breadbear]

This was a really bizarre part of this story. I thought maybe she was just being dramatic, but she's really filthy with super matted hair. How? Why?
I guess someone could have been prompting her every day to get up and get clean and she just refused, but someone with half a brain should have just said no, you have to bathe. It really does become neglect.

How and why was my reaction, too. Even bedbound people get their hair and bodies washed.

 

[hallowed gargantuan]

I've been watching Charlise for years and happened to scrape her mom's Facebook before she locked it down maybe two years ago. Her mom, Angela Fischetti, definitely got off on having a sick/disabled kid and is a bit of a munchie herself.

Spoiler: Pre-Munching FB posts

She made a huge deal about chapped fucking lips.


She was always having reactions of some kind.


In a moment of stellar parenting, 10-year-old Charlise was allowed to pose with a (hopefully fake?) cigarette on Halloween.


For several years she talked incessantly about her own illnesses too.


Costochondritis.


Charlise seemed to get really into skating in 2019 and spent a lot of time at the rink. Suddenly, mom developed cold urticaria, which is when cold temperatures give you hives.

Spoiler: 2020 Posts

Also included are a few screenshots from Charlise's own Facebook account.

Spoiler: 2021 Posts

Yes, this picture where Charlise is grinning ear to ear pointing to her new surgical tube in her baby prostitute outfit was taken the same day she was released from 22 days in the hospital.

Spoiler: 2022 Posts

Also, the text on her GoFundMe was changed at some point; it used to reveal a lot more about what happened in 2020. I captured this screenshot around May 2022.

Spoiler: GFM Text from 2022

A couple of interesting IG comments.




This is from December 2, 2023.

 

[Aunt Carol]

Stole this from Reddit, a comparison of her apparent intolerances and her actual diet

Good spotting, and interesting information, but emotionally I have such a soft spot for schizoarrows. Such passion!

 

[athousandrustynails]

Thank you for the director's cut of this story! What a wonderful bonus. I loved this part where Charlise insists they didn't ask for narcotics but used the line "Just something to take the edge off" lol

Ibuprofen is available at the pharmacy over the counter ma'am...

 

[Not_a_Doctor]

Wow, Charlise really went from 0 to 60 in such a short period of time.

What bothers me the most about munchies who successfully shuffle off their mortal coil is that they then become proof to other munchies of their super cereals disease. “SEE!”, they wail, “I TOLD YOU I AM DYING”.

It also never fails to perplex me that someone who is apparently so sure that they are dying, and is baiting about hospice and aesthetically shouldering the terrible weight of their impending flatline would spend so much of their valuable, dwindling time on the internet. But then none of them have a personality outside of Instagram and hospital so what else would they do with their final months? Give me a comfy chair on a quiet beach with my person of choice sat beside me but I’m not down with the kids, so maybe I just don’t understand them.

I know we talk a lot about how the internet and social media in particular is gasoline for these trash fires but popular medical dramas also flame the cray cray.

Spoiler: Grey’s Anatomy has a lot to answer for

Shows like Grey’s and House centre on the doctors. They get all the air time. Have you seen films like Hidden Figures, or other biopics that focus on a small group of people and the part they played in history? You typically get a disclaimer somewhere or it’s mentioned in the review that the film uses composite characters to simplify the narrative. You don’t get that on medical shows.

You don’t see the ward clark, the phlebotomist, the lunch lady, the porters, the cycle of nurses on 12 hour shifts, the pastoral care team, the dieticians, the rehabilitation and physiotherapy team, the lab techs, the radiographers and so on and so on. The doctors do it all. Anyone dumb as fuck who thinks this is an an accurate representation of health care comes in with a massively false sense of what role the doctor will have in their care.

Add to that the fact that no one is watching medical dramas to learn how to place a chest tube or how to read an X-ray, it’s about the people. They have to portray the doctors as these empathetic, caring superheroes otherwise the show would be boring.

So desperately lonely white-bread teens like Charlise and her “speaking as a mother” enabler come into ED expecting to be coddled and cared for and spoken to in dulcet tones while a handsome brown-eyed male model softly strokes their hand and tells them he’s going to fight for her.

The reality is there’s not enough staff for the number of patients, they are on the look out for genuinely emergent people who are going to die if they don’t get treated in the next 10-30 minutes, and your intense daily pain that hasn’t killed you yet isn’t high on their list of priorities. So you get given the basics and told to fuck off and make an appointment with someone who is paid to give a shit.

The specialists also don’t coddle them and so they get bounced around. If they do get admitted, it is always traumatic and they are gaslit and suffer horrendous PTSD all because they don’t have a crowd of white coats standing around their bed running a heated differential and rushing them in to tests and surgeries.

Knowing how hospitals actually work (not sure if this applies to the US or Canadia) I’m always amazed when these girls complain about how horribly they were treated, but no one ever talks about raising their issues with the charge nurse. No one ever talks about speaking to the patient relations team who actually take accusations of malpractice pretty seriously. They never talk about the appointment they had with the palliative care team who told them about what their local options are, or the pastoral care team who came and spent time with them and asked how they were doing. They don’t mention the disability support workers who get tagged in for patients with seriously disabling or life limiting conditions. It’s just wah wah wah the doctors say I’m faking and no one will give me what I want”.

When they are eventually discharged because they aren’t dying, they end up back in ED which I find suspicious as fuck. If they have a condition with a risk that they will need to be hospitalised, at least in my side of the planet, there is a plan in place. You have a nurse you call, or a clinic, and instead of going to ED, you let that person know what is happening and they get you admitted for treatment or assessment asap.

No one is leaving you without a bowel movement for three months or without nutrition for weeks at a time if that is actually what is going on. They disimpact, or get you on PPN or TPN. And no one is leaving you unwashed for months unless you adamantly refuse to be helped. It may only be once a day, but you will have a nurse change your bedding and offer you a wash down with a flannel and if you keep refusing maybe they refer you to psych or note on your chart “patient refuses to bathe”.

I will finish with the observation that you can always spot a faker/OTT/illness-chaser by their reaction to being told there is nothing wrong with them. Most people celebrate. Instead, they take it as a personal challenge to prove the meanie doctors wrong. Well done, Charlise! You really showed them this time!