Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

On one hand this could fuck over Sony and save the Internet. On the other it could get obliterated, as it never should have existed to begin with. Interesting.

It would be much funnier if was the 9th vs the 5th, but I'll settle.

 

[Harvey Danger]

The 10th Circuit case is cited by people trying to protect internet users from Sony's self-claimed (and court enforced) ability to terminate your internet access.
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I've raged about this case elsewhere. I hope the recording companies and all lawyers representing them die in a fire.

It's a good catch by the ISP lawyers. As retarded as the 10th's ruling is, even that can't be used to apply liability to an ISP acting as a blind utility. However I think there was more in play, they had a stated policy of never terminating customer access no matter how many reports of torrenting copyrighted material they received. This is the correct stance, but it clashes a bit with their claim of passive conduct; they are willfully rejecting demands for action, like Null did to Greer. Both Null and Grande were correct in doing so, but if the retarded legal system decides to err on the side of copyright holders, it might start treating ISPs like the 10th treated Null.

I don't have time for more than a skimming, but it looks like they're only arguing a Circuit split (4th and 5th) on their own case. From what I can tell, it's not arguing the 10th's Greer ruling as part of a split, right? I wish it was, that BS needs to be thrown out, but I understand if they're arguing a narrower scope.

 

[WelperHelper99]

It would be much funnier if was the 9th vs the 5th, but I'll settle.

It'll be funny enough if Greer did something good for once in his life. Personally I want Sony fucked up the ass. It amuses me if the Farms, in part, was responsible for the ass fucking

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I don't have time for more than a skimming, but it looks like they're only arguing a Circuit split on their own case. From what I can tell, it's not arguing the 10th's Greer ruling as part of a split, right? I wish it was, that BS needs to be thrown out, but I understand if they're arguing a narrower scope.

They show that both their case and our contains a circuit split. One of their many arguments is that if their case was tried in Colorado under Greer standard they would have won.


Comparing Greer case with conflicting Fifth and Ninth Circuit precedents:



They aren't arguing that the Greer case was wrongly decided, of course, and are only covering their own ass.

 

[WelperHelper99]

They show that both their case and our contains a circuit split. One of their many arguments is that if their case was tried in Colorado under Greer standard they would have won.
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Comparing Greer case with conflicting Fifth and Ninth Circuit precedents:
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They aren't arguing that the Greer case was wrongly decided, of course, and are only covering their own ass.

It also mentions the 2nd circuit was more or less in line with the 10th. Was this Jersh's master plan to get to SCOTUS? Cause a 4 way circuit split against Sony? Plans within plans. Kino.

 

[reptile baht spaniard rid]

Now I'm stuck wondering if there's some chudlawyer who saw a chance to shove his favorite lolcase into a supreme brief or if they found it themselves.

I can just imagine the paralegal coming on that, seeing it might apply, pulling it up and reading a bit, reading a bit more, reading more, and then saying "you gotta see this".

 

[Useful_Mistake]

If the cert is granted, technically Mr. Hardin could file an amicus brief trying to get the court to consider that the Greer case was wrongly decided.

 

[lol cow supreme]

Now I'm stuck wondering if there's some chudlawyer who saw a chance to shove his favorite lolcase into a supreme brief or if they found it themselves.

I can just imagine the paralegal coming on that, seeing it might apply, pulling it up and reading a bit, reading a bit more, reading more, and then saying "you gotta see this".

The chudlawyer is coming from inside the thread! Maybe it is even..YOU!

My headcanon is working on a "Mr. Greer goes to Washington" moment. Instead of talking about anything relevant to any court case, he starts blabbering about the bureaucracy of whorehouses in Nevada. I have a dream!

Mr Greer goes to Washington you say? Funny that... https://www.brucklaw.com/dc-decriminalizing-prostitution/

 

[HackerX]

They show that both their case and our contains a circuit split. One of their many arguments is that if their case was tried in Colorado under Greer standard they would have won.
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Comparing Greer case with conflicting Fifth and Ninth Circuit precedents:
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They aren't arguing that the Greer case was wrongly decided, of course, and are only covering their own ass.

My headcanon is working on a "Mr. Greer goes to Washington" moment. Instead of talking about anything relevant to any court case, he starts blabbering about the bureaucracy of whorehouses in Nevada. I have a dream!

 

[BoomerPrime]

My headcanon is working on a "Mr. Greer goes to Washington" moment. Instead of talking about anything relevant to any court case, he starts blabbering about the bureaucracy of whorehouses in Nevada. I have a dream!

Not before he gets turned down by a gaggle of DC hookers, though.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Russ claims to be studying law, so it would be hilarious if Greer comes up in the curriculum, but he gets it wrong because he can't agree with the teacher what the lawsuit was about and what its merits were!

 

[MunsterCheeseJr]

The 10th Circuit case is cited by people trying to protect internet users from Sony's self-claimed (and court enforced) ability to terminate your internet access.
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https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/24/24-967/351431/20250306224742086_grande%20v.%20umg%20--%20cert.%20petition%20--%20FILED.pdf

Mind you, this is a Petition for a writ of certiorari, not a SCOTUS decision.

@Potentially Criminal Can you get someone on lawtube who is familiar with this kind of stuff to explain in layman language what exactly is happening here?

 

[Useful_Mistake]

@Potentially Criminal Can you get someone on lawtube who is familiar with this kind of stuff to explain in layman language what exactly is happening here?

What is unclear?

 

[Uncle Buck]

@Potentially Criminal Can you get someone on lawtube who is familiar with this kind of stuff to explain in layman language what exactly is happening here?

Shenanigans, that's what's happening; fat, gay shenanigans.

 

[Unknown God]

Even worse. He has acknowledged that he easily could have done so. and that Google would have complied, but he had not done so because Null called him mean names, and because he couldn't sue if Google had complied.

I doubt Josh will get full fee shifting because nigger of the world and blablabla, but this fact alone should make it pretty much automatic in any non retarded justice system. "I could have solved the issue with simple steps that I was fully aware of but I wanted to sue this guy I don't like instead." It's hard to imagine how much more clear cut it is than this.

 

[ICanLurkNoMore]

I doubt Josh will get full fee shifting because nigger of the world and blablabla, but this fact alone should make it pretty much automatic in any non retarded justice system. "I could have solved the issue with simple steps that I was fully aware of but I wanted to sue this guy I don't like instead." It's hard to imagine how much more clear cut it is than this.

and yet here we are, stuck in the mud with a pig that is slowly realising it doesn't actually like mud.
maybe.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

ECF 285

 

[HTTP Error 404]

Rut Roh Russhole, did you lie to the court? Blatantly? And in writing?

Oh, naughty naughty. If you weren't a complete fucking retard, they might hold you to the standard of an adult or even a particularly smart child. But you are, so they won't.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Greer is not happy we found out about the meeting that he basically publicly announced and calls it stalking



Then he lies and says he's suing the Farms over stalking.

 

[DuckofDoom]

Hardin's really twisting the knife with this one.