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He’s kinda like Supes in that you can drop him into anything and with a bit of creativity, it’ll work.

There’s no support stuff you gotta worry about, no Batcave, no buildings to web onto, no battery to recharge, no commanding officers or any of that. Hell, even his supporting cast can go years or even decades inbetween appearances.
Reminder that the first (true) appearance of rocket raccoon was an issue of hulk during the big green guy's 20th anniversary. Whenever the story is reprinted (ex the gaurdian of the keystone quadrant collection and the gotg movie prequel comic trade) it essentially drops hulk into a story where a Saturday morning cartoon cast finds him sleeping in the grass and drags him into a world of killer robot clowns, crazed lunatics playing dress up as Bobby cops, and talking funny animals. And Ole greenskin is just like, "well hulk make new friends so that's nice."

Man what the fuck were bill mantlo and Sal buscema smoking in 82?
 
He’s kinda like Supes in that you can drop him into anything and with a bit of creativity, it’ll work.

There’s no support stuff you gotta worry about, no Batcave, no buildings to web onto, no battery to recharge, no commanding officers or any of that. Hell, even his supporting cast can go years or even decades inbetween appearances.

Yeah, they're sort of big archetypal characters. I like Jekyll and Hyde type characters, so sometimes I'll read the Hulk for fun. His rogues gallery, like Superman, consists of 80% randos that wind up being threats to everyone else due to scaling to Hulk and 20% are relevant and potentially iconic. I mean, for the Hulk, The Leader and Abomination are the two villains that come to mind. General Thunderbolt Ross sorta counts, but he's also been a flat out hero too. Hell, half of Hulk's relationships with the wider heroic community are very "frenemy" type things. Doc Samson, Wolverine, Ben Grimm, Thor, The F4, The Avengers, etc. Everyone knows he's dangerous. I like the idea of the Hulk. I think the issue is that a lot of people keep trying to do the Peter David thing where they do amateur psychoanalysis of the Hulk and it just doesn't work that well. David worked, sorta, for the novelty of it. I don't remember a lot of other Hulk writers. Greg Pak was amusing, but not that good. Al Ewing was. . . interesting. But probably overhyped. I think Donny Cates is doing Hulk now? I forget.

Hulk doesn't need baggage. I do think it'd be cool to see the Pantheon and Vali Halfblood pop up again, but Hulk's best left on his own unless there's a need for him. The 00s with all the weird Hulk events taught me that he's really memorable as a sympathetic villain (World War Hulk).
 
Yeah, they're sort of big archetypal characters. I like Jekyll and Hyde type characters, so sometimes I'll read the Hulk for fun. His rogues gallery, like Superman, consists of 80% randos that wind up being threats to everyone else due to scaling to Hulk and 20% are relevant and potentially iconic. I mean, for the Hulk, The Leader and Abomination are the two villains that come to mind. General Thunderbolt Ross sorta counts, but he's also been a flat out hero too. Hell, half of Hulk's relationships with the wider heroic community are very "frenemy" type things. Doc Samson, Wolverine, Ben Grimm, Thor, The F4, The Avengers, etc. Everyone knows he's dangerous. I like the idea of the Hulk. I think the issue is that a lot of people keep trying to do the Peter David thing where they do amateur psychoanalysis of the Hulk and it just doesn't work that well. David worked, sorta, for the novelty of it. I don't remember a lot of other Hulk writers. Greg Pak was amusing, but not that good. Al Ewing was. . . interesting. But probably overhyped. I think Donny Cates is doing Hulk now? I forget.

Hulk doesn't need baggage. I do think it'd be cool to see the Pantheon and Vali Halfblood pop up again, but Hulk's best left on his own unless there's a need for him. The 00s with all the weird Hulk events taught me that he's really memorable as a sympathetic villain (World War Hulk).
It’s currently Phillip Kennedy Johnson writing, it sucks.

As disliked as it was, I think some elements of Ultimate Hulk would be great for retooling into the mainline, or a dominant personality for a run, just reigned-in, no cannibalism.
-Id-based Hulk as opposed to a true split personality (it’s Bruce’s repressed desires)
-Genuinely hated and feared with great reason.
-Bruce being high on being Hulk
-Betty being the root cause of retard Hulk, remove her and he gets talky (take the best of Savage and the best of Joe)
-adaptive abilities as opposed to scaling strength

No psycho-analysis bullshit either, Bruce is a desensitized genius on the run (ideally in somewhere not the States) and he turns into a cryptid at night, make him more werewolf than Jekyll and Hyde (I know Joe and Devil did this but they’re not “evil” personas anymore) and even make adamantium his silver bullet equivalent. He also needs some new villains who aren’t just Hulks.

That’d be my run for Hulk.
 
What would you guys do with Skaar?

I kinda want to see Bruce on the run in South America
Skaar should be tagging along with his retard dad, it’s a crime him and X-23 never got a rivalry like their idiot dads.

Bruce and Skaar in Columbia (it’s on my mind cause Ralph), get Bruce a new love interest cause him and Betty are so cooked and shock everyone with her living, not getting mutated and actually being competent and having valid reactions to the weird shit that will absolutely ruin her life.

“Oh? The weird gringo with his similarly weird tattooed son turned out to be greyish-green rage monsters on the run from the Feds? Welcome to the reality of every Hulk love interest.”
 
What's going on with Dark Horse these days?

I remember back in the 2010s they seemed like the heir ascendant to fill the gaps that Marvel and DC wasn't satisfying. Now the last thing I heard about them is they shutterbugged one of their digital apps.

The only thing I can think of is that their business model was based on using licensed comics (with actual effort put into them) to pay the bills, so that they could afford for creators directly under their umbrella to create original content. But their licenses were based on things like Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, etc. which have since wound up past their prime. So I guess they stagnated with the market surrounding them.
 
What's going on with Dark Horse these days?

I remember back in the 2010s they seemed like the heir ascendant to fill the gaps that Marvel and DC wasn't satisfying. Now the last thing I heard about them is they shutterbugged one of their digital apps.

The only thing I can think of is that their business model was based on using licensed comics (with actual effort put into them) to pay the bills, so that they could afford for creators directly under their umbrella to create original content. But their licenses were based on things like Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, etc. which have since wound up past their prime. So I guess they stagnated with the market surrounding them.
*hugs my four tomb raider omnibus sets*
Speaking of apps.....I daresay i simply can't farhom reading them digitally. Forgive me, I don't know how to explain it but like....turning pages having a physical book to read from feels better in a sense. To me, reading a comic from a screen would honestly make my head throb. (Yes even webcomics)
 
What's going on with Dark Horse these days?

I remember back in the 2010s they seemed like the heir ascendant to fill the gaps that Marvel and DC wasn't satisfying. Now the last thing I heard about them is they shutterbugged one of their digital apps.

The only thing I can think of is that their business model was based on using licensed comics (with actual effort put into them) to pay the bills, so that they could afford for creators directly under their umbrella to create original content. But their licenses were based on things like Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, etc. which have since wound up past their prime. So I guess they stagnated with the market surrounding them.
I haven't read much from them. I initially liked their idea of doing mini-series runs to tell a full story rather than monthly issues, it allowed the creators to work when they wanted, but it led to me losing interest in their books. I think Umbrella Academy three came out nine years after it was announced and I never bought it despite thinking the first two were creatively interesting.
 
What's going on with Dark Horse these days?

I remember back in the 2010s they seemed like the heir ascendant to fill the gaps that Marvel and DC wasn't satisfying. Now the last thing I heard about them is they shutterbugged one of their digital apps.

The only thing I can think of is that their business model was based on using licensed comics (with actual effort put into them) to pay the bills, so that they could afford for creators directly under their umbrella to create original content. But their licenses were based on things like Star Wars, Halo, Mass Effect, etc. which have since wound up past their prime. So I guess they stagnated with the market surrounding them.
They got bought by a gaming company so they publish a lot more video game related material now. They also have a development deal with Netflix, so they're doing a Stranger Things comic and Netflix has adapted some of the Mark Millar comics they've published. I read an interview with the CEO of the company once, and her said that a large part of their sales come from Hellboy and their manga titles, especially Berserk. I assume the stuff like Grendel, Usagi Yojimbo, and Elfquest sell OK for them, but I have no idea how popular their other titles are. I will say that they've put out a decent amount of material in thick compilations that are reasonably priced. I can't say for certain how well they're doing, but I think they're in better shape than companies like IDW or Oni Press.
 
They got bought by a gaming company so they publish a lot more video game related material now. They also have a development deal with Netflix, so they're doing a Stranger Things comic and Netflix has adapted some of the Mark Millar comics they've published. I read an interview with the CEO of the company once, and her said that a large part of their sales come from Hellboy and their manga titles, especially Berserk. I assume the stuff like Grendel, Usagi Yojimbo, and Elfquest sell OK for them, but I have no idea how popular their other titles are. I will say that they've put out a decent amount of material in thick compilations that are reasonably priced. I can't say for certain how well they're doing, but I think they're in better shape than companies like IDW or Oni Press.
Dark Horse's Usagi Yojimbo trades are an amazing value. 600 pages of prime Usagi for $30.

I wish Dark Horse would give the same treatment to Groo: The Wanderer. I think its been decades since anyone has published a Groo trade collecting the pre-Marvel and early Marvel issues.
 
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Dark Horse's Usagi Yojimbo trades are an amazing value. 600 pages of prime Usagi for $30.

I wish Dark Horse would give the same treatment to Groo: The Wanderer. I think its been decades since anyone has published a Groo trade collecting the pre-Marvel and early Marvel issues.
Hasn't Groo's creator passed away somewhat recently too?
 
Here's something I thought was a neat effect. Its Punisher holding some dude's face against a window so the face becomes distorted.


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Now, this scene was drawn by Dale Eaglesham and inked by Scott Koblish. Eaglesham is probably best known for runs on Green Lantern and GSA. Scott Koblish was an inker during the 90s and 2000s, then became a penciller in the 2010s. I got to wondering how much inkers take away from the pencillers whose art they ink. Anyone who knows Koblish's style knows that its nothing like the above (Koblish's art tends to be more cartoony, with simpler composition while retaining a lot of kinetic dynamism). I would think that if I were an inker, I'd look at a page like this, think to myself, "hey, that's really cool" and put it in my back pocket for future use. But Koblish has never done anything like this, which prompted the original questions: What do inkers take away from the pencillers they ink?

Of course, then I looked at the published page and....


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THE GODDAMN COLORIST FUCKED IT UP!!!!

What the fuck even is that?
 
It's interesting seeing the art in different stages. There are certain artists, Brian Bolland for example, who I think the art looks way better in B/W without any colors. Others, they definitely need a colorist otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell who the fuck is who (I like Mark Bagley, but he's always had a same face issue and it's distracting some times).

Unfortunately, like above, you have issues where the colorist, especially in the 90s when they were still learning digital coloring, ruined some good line art and the scene.
 
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