Celebrity Meghan Markle / Rachel Meghan Markle / Meghan, Duchess of Sussex / Meghan Sussex / The Alliterate One - Markle Snarkle

[John Andrews Stan]

This deep dive into the security issue is very thorough. Yet no one can figure out why the hell Harry wants security provided by an establishment he believes wants him and his family to be killed, or why he’d want to reconcile with a family he believes has interfered in him getting that security so that his family will fucking die.

Note that even Catherine goes out shopping in London without a bodyguard at her side, including when her children — including an heir to the throne — with her.

 

[FatalTater]

Re: Surrogacy and succession, what are the odds of it even being an issue considering how far down the line they are? I guess they might be eligible for a minor title, but quite a few people are between Harry's kids and the throne.

As for Meghan's dad, I just assume she wants to distance herself from him because there's no hiding how WHITE he is, and it might put a dent in her "I'm a black woman of color" schtick.

 

[Not A Bunny]

Yet no one can figure out why the hell Harry wants security provided by an establishment he believes wants him and his family to be killed, or why he’d want to reconcile with a family he believes has interfered in him getting that security so that his family will fucking die.

Never mind why "no one can figure it out".

The Royal Family is undoubtedly good at sending messages low-key, and most people would generally get the message before too long. I presume the only reason that the family doesn't explain to Harry as if he were a small child that they understand the game he's playing is because he'd report every word of it to the press, making the RF look bad (because we as humans tend not to like ugly truths), and there's this odd hope that it will eventually penetrate his thick skull.

The entirety of the public relations staff for the RF has for years now been looking at this situation and screaming, Why hasn't he GOTTEN it yet?

 

[nigel p poppycock]

I seem to recall she's estranged from her mother again, right? I don't know the story behind that. Did she mention her on Mother's Day at all?

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Re: Surrogacy and succession, what are the odds of it even being an issue considering how far down the line they are?

William refuses to adhere to protocol that says the heir and his heir should not travel together. He insists on not only the whole family traveling together but he often flies them himself in a helicopter. It’s an extremely bad idea and not a calculated risk he should be allowed to take IMO.

I seem to recall she's estranged from her mother again, right? I don't know the story behind that. Did she mention her on Mother's Day at all?

People are saying Doria was very cold toward her on WLM and in the NYT video of her eating Meghan’s newfangled banana pudding with strawberries and passion fruit (not a combo that sounds good to me). She also didn’t mention Doria on Mother’s Day. But maybe Doria just isn’t a demonstrative woman. Until there’s something more firm than vibes to go on, I consider it fanfic.

 

[Free the Pedos]

Note that even Catherine goes out shopping in London without a bodyguard at her side, including when her children — including an heir to the throne — with her.

I thought Will’s family and Charles and Camilla actually do have 24 security (and rightly so)? It seems pretty crazy that they’d be able to go out without it because they’re actually important.

 

[obsdj]

William refuses to adhere to protocol that says the heir and his heir should not travel together. He insists on not only the whole family traveling together but he often flies them himself in a helicopter. It’s an extremely bad idea and not a calculated risk he should be allowed to take IMO.

Where has it been confirmed that William refuses to do that? George is not yet twelve so the provision hasn't kicked in yet (his birthday is in July).

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I thought Will’s family and Charles and Camilla actually do have 24 security (and rightly so)? It seems pretty crazy that they’d be able to go out without it because they’re actually important.

They have 24/7 security but the guards do not accompany them into every shop or restaurant. They’re usually waiting outside. I’ve personally seen her on her own and with her mother in the Kings Road on four occasions since 2012 and there are ample paparazzi photos showing this as well.

Where has it been confirmed that William refuses to do that?

It has been written of extensively by royal editors and authors. For example, Robert Jobson’s biography of Catherine goes into great detail on the matter. Both the late queen and current king have opposed William’s stance, which he refuses to back down on. I found these quotes in just a couple of minutes — it’s not an obscure point.

An experienced pilot, William had upset the late Queen when he defied her request not to pilot his family the 115 miles from Kensington Palace to Anmer Hall, their home in Norfolk. The Queen, haunted by the 1967 crash that killed the Captain of the Queen's Flight (although no royals were on board), 'did not hold back', one aide said. She had sharp words with William after he defied her wishes by taking a helicopter flight to Norfolk with all his immediate family. She had warned him against flying with George in case of an accident, telling her grandson he always had to be aware of the succession.

"One recent source of disagreement is William's stubborn refusal to take his father's advice on safeguarding the succession. Earlier this year, the King had raised concerns with his son about the wisdom of William using his helicopter to fly his entire family around the country.”

The Queen has spoken rather firmly to William about this and urged him to give up flying in the helicopter altogether.

The Queen had several conversations with William who has previously flown his family the 115 miles from Kensington Palace to their home at Anmer Hall, Norfolk. And it comes after a major probe was launched after two near-misses in one royal helicopter flight.

Her Majesty has told close friends and courtiers that she would like William to stop flying himself, particularly in bad weather, as helicopters are not the safest form of transport.

“It keeps the Queen awake at night and she is understandably very worried. She knows William is a capable pilot but does not think it is worth the risk for all five of them to carry on flying together and can’t imagine what would happen. It would spark a constitutional crisis.

The Queen has told William she is worried that, however good he is as a pilot, bad weather and accidents can strike at any time.

“The Queen is delighted in the way William and Kate have risen to the challenge in recent years and knows the monarchy is safe in their hands. She thinks the future is bright with them at the helm after Charles but if something happened to him and the family it doesn’t bear thinking about.”

Technically, William should never be on the same flight as his father or his children.

George is not yet twelve so the provision hasn't kicked in yet (his birthday is in July).

That is incorrect. According to the protocol, those in the immediate succession are not to travel together regardless of age. QEII made an exception for the trip to Australia that the then-Cambridges made when George was a baby, with the understanding it was to be a one-off. William, known for being stubborn, never bothered seeking permission again and openly defied both his grandmother and father in continuing to fly the whole family together. It’s been reported that he and Catherine “would rather the whole family die together if something happens,” but I don’t put much credence in that. It’s not terribly logical.

 

[obsdj]

It has been written of extensively by royal editors and authors. For example, Robert Jobson’s biography of Catherine goes into great detail on the matter. Both the late queen and current king have opposed William’s stance, which he refuses to back down on. I found these quotes in just a couple of minutes — it’s not an obscure point.

That is incorrect. According to the protocol, those in the immediate succession are not to travel together regardless of age.

You're mistaken.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

You're mistaken.

Not at all. You are relying on a media report — one among thousands about endless topics, not just royal-related — that cites no sources for its claims, because it’s based only on other media reports that also cite no sources. This media habit is why so many other supposed “royal rules” have been thoroughly debunked, ie only neutral nail polish, no selfies, no hugs, etc. We all know by now that the 24 hour news cycle doesn’t much care about citation or accuracy of sources.

The way protocol works is that it is based on tradition and the one with the last word on protocol is always the current monarch. It’s literally never been codified anywhere and you will never find any such written rule about the age of 12. (It wouldn’t be fair of me to challenge you to do so as it would be a pointless wild goose chase.)

So if some past heirs and monarchs have abstained from traveling together from age 12 in the past, that has no bearing on the fact that the traditional protocol of literally hundreds of years is that regardless of age, those in the direct line of succession do not travel together.

Ultimately William knew he could get away with doing what he wanted regardless of the monarch’s explicit orders. It’s just how he’s always been and it’s one of the reasons he has clashed so much with his father’s staff. Charles is known to let both his sons (at least until recently) run roughshod over him, probably out of very deserved guilt for his past errors. But that’s not the same as having the approval of the monarch.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Re: Surrogacy and succession, what are the odds of it even being an issue considering how far down the line they are?

They really aren't:
William
George
Charlotte
Louis
Harold

He's one bad weather day away from the throne..

 

[Free the Pedos]

He's one bad weather day away from the throne..

I sincerely hope Harry’s epic crash out has made Will reconsider this.

 

[obsdj]

I sincerely hope Harry’s epic crash out has made Will reconsider this.

Remember, it would take an Act of Parliament to remove anyone from the line of succession.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

I sincerely hope Harry’s epic crash out has made Will reconsider this.

You’d think it would but he’s still doing it. He’s always been known for being stubborn and headstrong.

When KCIII was diagnosed with cancer, Charles again pleaded with him to stop flying with George, Charlotte and Louis. William again refused and Charles actually made him acknowledge in writing that he knew exactly what risk he was taking and that he was conscious that he was defying direct orders from the monarch.

Per courtiers quoted in Robert Jobson’s book cited in my previous post:

The king insisted that William sign a formal acknowledgement of the risks involved and take full responsibility for his actions, a grim reminder of the weight of succession.

“You cannot fly with all your family,” the queen told William. And he did. He defied her. And then the king has said exactly the same — and William is pretty much defying him. Actually, the king got him to write down to say that he knows the problems involved, and it’s his responsibility. It’s rather naive of him to do it.

George’s age has never figured into this family disagreement even a little bit.

Fun fact: Jobson is the former royal editor of four London newspapers and has written multiple books about the BRF. He had to make his Twitter account private several years ago due to abuse from Meghan’s fans. It’s still private to this day.

 

[multiverse]

Remember, it would take an Act of Parliament to remove anyone from the line of succession.

But would anyone tolerate the bloody Yorks on the throne? Booting Harold and his sprogs from the line of succession means Andy, then Beatrice on the throne if the worst happened.

 

[John Andrews Stan]

But would anyone tolerate the bloody Yorks on the throne? Booting Harold and his sprogs from the line of succession means Andy, then Beatrice on the throne if the worst happened.

No one will be removed from the line of succession. It’s an elaborate and complex process that would require collaboration between all 15 Commonwealth nations. This kind of cooperation was last enacted in 2013 when the succession reforms were made that ended male-preference primogeniture, removed the ban on marriage to a Catholic, etc. Despite the reforms being dated to 2013, these arduous agreements and ratifications were not completed until spring 2015. It’s not something that would ever be done lightly. Especially because it would be a national embarrassment to have to enact legislation in the UK and involving the Commonwealth on the basis that the royal family has such fuckups in the line of succession. These things aren’t acknowledged except in private.

 

[Ass Dan]

No one will be removed from the line of succession. It’s an elaborate and complex process that would require collaboration between all 15 Commonwealth nations. This kind of cooperation was last enacted in 2013 when the succession reforms were made that ended male-preference primogeniture, removed the ban on marriage to a Catholic, etc. Despite the reforms being dated to 2013, these arduous agreements and ratifications were not completed until spring 2015. It’s not something that would ever be done lightly. Especially because it would be a national embarrassment to have to enact legislation in the UK and involving the Commonwealth on the basis that the royal family has such fuckups in the line of succession. These things aren’t acknowledged except in private.

Can I ask how you know all this shit? Do you just have an autist-level obsession with the BRF or are you an actual leak?

 

[John Andrews Stan]

Can I ask how you know all this shit? Do you just have an autist-level obsession with the BRF or are you an actual leak?

Thanks, I’m flattered! I won’t be revealing anything personal, but the fact is anyone can access this information if they want it. “I read an article once” is fine if you don’t mind being wrong all the time, but it doesn’t take much more effort to check your work before sharing falsehoods as fact. Beyond that, feel free to DM me so we don’t derail the thread. Some people ITT focus a bit too much on me as it is.

Meghan and Harry have officially jumped the shark if this is true:



Shot:


Chaser:

 

[Tasty Tatty]

But would anyone tolerate the bloody Yorks on the throne? Booting Harold and his sprogs from the line of succession means Andy, then Beatrice on the throne if the worst happened.

Andrew would never last. I can see him abdicating for his daughter instead. Or so I hope.

 

[Dr. Butt]

You’d think it would but he’s still doing it. He’s always been known for being stubborn and headstrong.

When KCIII was diagnosed with cancer, Charles again pleaded with him to stop flying with George, Charlotte and Louis. William again refused and Charles actually made him acknowledge in writing that he knew exactly what risk he was taking and that he was conscious that he was defying direct orders from the monarch.

Per courtiers quoted in Robert Jobson’s book cited in my previous post:

The whole family really is inbred-retarded except for the dead queen and Kate.

Andrew would never last. I can see him abdicating for his daughter instead. Or so I hope.

No way. I want another George IV situation. I think it might be good for the world, in the way those tall ships raised America's spirits during the Bicentennial.