RWBY - The Hindenburg on which Rooster Teeth rests its hopes, dreams and future

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

What makes you say that?

Blake isn't a lesbian, she has Sun and before him she had Adam. It wasn't until Barb and Arryn's little IRL lesbian crush that Bemblebee became a thing.

Yang is just too much like the group mom for me to see her romantically involved with any of the other three girls in her team (plus Ruby is her little sister and that's just really gross)

Weiss clearly isn't a lesbian (Neptune and then later Juanne) but her and Ruby do have chemistry as friends. If you, like the average shipper, are an emotionally stunted porn addict you will see any two characters who get along and immediately imagine them having sex. Ruby and Weiss are textbook perfect "opposites attract" types.

Ruby clearly isn't emotionally mature enough for romance but once again the only person on the team she has any form of chemistry with (who isn't her sister) is Weiss.


Obviously these are all terrible ships but that's why I said remotely makes sense.

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

Obviously these are all terrible ships but that's why I said remotely makes sense

I agree that Ruby and Weiss is the only team RWBY ship that even remotely makes sense, but I think a writer could write it much more convincingly than that. Blake and Yang have either dated men or are clearly romantically and sexually interested in men. This removes them from a lesbian relationship if one is concerned with remaining canon. But Weiss only ever expresses a vague, immature sort of interest in Neptune and her tsundere sort of attitude toward Jaune could be written off. Ruby is a blank slate as far as romance is concerned (as far as I remember, that might have changed recently).

I think you'd just have to emphasize a sort of sheltered upbringing on the part of Weiss where political marriage and production of an heir were first and foremost and roll Ruby's naivete into a sort of "falling in love with her first friend" kind of thing.

That's part of what pisses me off most about Bumblebee. I don't want gay ships on the show in the first place and they didn't even have the decency to write the one lesbian relationship that might actually work (if the writers were competent, which isn't the case for RWBY)

 

[Random Internet Person]

I think you'd just have to emphasize a sort of sheltered upbringing on the part of Weiss where political marriage and production of an heir were first and foremost and roll Ruby's naivete into a sort of "falling in love with her first friend" kind of thing.

So just make the Schnees something out of Game of Thrones? Didn’t V4 try something like that?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

but I think a writer could write it much more convincingly than that

The issue with this statement, and it's a fundamental issue with the entirety of the show, is that once you start rewriting small things you quickly find yourself needing to rewrite big things and you effectively end up making your own show before you know it.

I think you'd just have to emphasize a sort of sheltered upbringing on the part of Weiss where political marriage and production of an heir were first and foremost and roll Ruby's naivete into a sort of "falling in love with her first friend" kind of thing.

Eh, it might work but it's still pretty flimsy and honestly it's something that I'd let develop for at least four volumes before committing and even then romance is just something that I think really has no place in RWBY to begin with. Plus there's just plain other bigger things that need rewriting and by the time you do that romance is largely dead anyways since any chemistry these characters have even just to carry a scene is minimal at best.

So just make the Schnees something out of Game of Thrones? Didn’t V4 try something like that?

They kinda sorta did but they super did not commit to the bit and so it's less Game of Thrones and more prep school mean girls.

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

Eh, it might work but it's still pretty flimsy and honestly it's something that I'd let develop for at least four volumes before committing and even then romance is just something that I think really has no place in RWBY to begin with. Plus there's just plain other bigger things that need rewriting and by the time you do that romance is largely dead anyways since any chemistry these characters have even just to carry a scene is minimal at best.

Yeah, this isn't a treatment of the whole show or something, just a bit of rewriting in the relationships. I think for the show to be actually good you'd have to start over from the beginning of Monty's idea(s) and focus mostly on the character relationships while changing a handful of the overall plot beats. Just an example, if I were rewriting RWBY, the Fall of Beacon would happen at the end of Season 2 at the latest. Cut all the dumb school life bullshit unless you're looking to write a school life series (they clearly aren't),

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Yeah, this isn't a treatment of the whole show or something, just a bit of rewriting in the relationships. I think for the show to be actually good you'd have to start over from the beginning of Monty's idea(s) and focus mostly on the character relationships while changing a handful of the overall plot beats. Just an example, if I were rewriting RWBY, the Fall of Beacon would happen at the end of Season 2 at the latest. Cut all the dumb school life bullshit unless you're looking to write a school life series (they clearly aren't),

See I've always gone the opposite route and stated that the fall of beacon ruins the entire show and it should be rewritten as an episodic school days monster of the week series. Furthermore you should axe the Salem and Ozpin backstory as well as the gods, maidens, and artifacts. If you must keep the maidens and the artifacts then completely gut them and redo them.

 

[Tom Bombodildo]

See I've always gone the opposite route and stated that the fall of beacon ruins the entire show and it should be rewritten as an episodic school days monster of the week series.

Haha, just goes to show Miles and Kerry had no idea what they were doing since we both watched the same show and came away thinking it was written to be two different, mutually exclusive genres of TV.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Haha, just goes to show Miles and Kerry had no idea what they were doing since we both watched the same show and came away thinking it was written to be two different, mutually exclusive genres of TV.

Oh I agree that the show always wanted to be a serialized production I just think that the lack of any real backbone to its creative structure makes it impossible to pull that off and that it would work better as an episodic series.

But I'm also in a really weird place where for me the only two volumes with any actual substance are one and two, I think V3 is where the series first goes downhill.

 

[Tism the Return II]

Oh I agree that the show always wanted to be a serialized production I just think that the lack of any real backbone to its creative structure makes it impossible to pull that off and that it would work better as an episodic series.

But I'm also in a really weird place where for me the only two volumes with any actual substance are one and two, I think V3 is where the series first goes downhill.

V3 ruined the cozy and simpler direction RWBY had going for it and exposed everyone involved in its writing as too incompetent to handle serious storytelling (something they didn't need to do in V1 and V2).

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

V3 ruined the cozy and simpler direction RWBY had going for it and exposed everyone involved in its writing as too incompetent to handle serious storytelling (something they didn't need to do in V1 and V2).

Not only that but scope creep and cast bloat were already starting to become crippling problems at the end of V2 and V3 just cranked that shit to ten and then ripped out the knob.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

As true as that is, it’s still pretty funny RWBY of all things was able to get a Justice League crossover.

Hey, if Scooby-Doo can team up with Batman, so can Ruby Rose

Is it though? DC has a long and storied history of making crossovers with many different IP's, some of which aren't even owned by WB and are even smaller than RWBY in terms of cultural impact. Its not a high bar.

Its not like this is the Witcher, where that would genuinely be completely out of left field if RWBY did a crossover.

I'd say it's the timing more than anything else. This was around the time where Rooster Teeth's financial issues and toxic work environment put doubt on RWBY continuing. Rather than focus on the main show, they announced a two-part crossover with DC.

Crossovers are not a high bar. They're probably the absolute lowest bar.

*scoffs* You call those bizarre crossovers? Did you know Spider-Man canonically teamed up with the kids from Jessie?

It's messy and it tangles up the Adam/Blake/Weiss thread by adding in a previously unaffiliated third party. The person who should have been crippled in that fight is Weiss, not Yang. Yang being crippled by Adam really robs Weiss and Blake of serious narrative capital, there were better ways for Yang to have a personal crisis due to the Fall of Beacon and better ways to tell her that maybe just going berserker and brute forcing your way through everything isn't the best thing to do.

It's also weird because the show was already hinting at Neo as her main rival before Volume 3 shook things up.

Oh I agree that the show always wanted to be a serialized production I just think that the lack of any real backbone to its creative structure makes it impossible to pull that off and that it would work better as an episodic series.

But I'm also in a really weird place where for me the only two volumes with any actual substance are one and two, I think V3 is where the series first goes downhill.

While not technically animated, Monster Island Buddies does pretty much everything RWBY is trying to do with its story, only better.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

While not technically animated, Monster Island Buddies does pretty much everything RWBY is trying to do with its story, only better.

Never heard of it but if I were in charge of the circus I would have been trying everything in my power to make RWBY into a magical girl show ala Card Captor Sakura or a Teen Titans type episodic series.

It's also weird because the show was already hinting at Neo as her main rival before Volume 3 shook things up.

Yeah for sure and Neo is literally the perfect foil for Yang given their fighting styles. A fight between Adam and Yang doesn't drive home the point of "Don't just charge in and go crazy" since their semblences would naturally build off each other and they'd both need to immediately go hard in the paint in order to build their semblences as fast as possible because the first person to land a blow will get the knockout. Yang vs Neo is far more tactical, it'd be way more of a chess match where Neo is constantly trying to make Yang waste energy via Death From One Thousand Cuts and Yang's whole goal is to laser focus her energy into one massive knockout blow and figuring out the proper timing for that blow, which is what Team RWBY uses her for anyways throughout V1-V3.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Yeah for sure and Neo is literally the perfect foil for Yang given their fighting styles. A fight between Adam and Yang doesn't drive home the point of "Don't just charge in and go crazy" since their semblences would naturally build off each other and they'd both need to immediately go hard in the paint in order to build their semblences as fast as possible because the first person to land a blow will get the knockout. Yang vs Neo is far more tactical, it'd be way more of a chess match where Neo is constantly trying to make Yang waste energy via Death From One Thousand Cuts and Yang's whole goal is to laser focus her energy into one massive knockout blow and figuring out the proper timing for that blow, which is what Team RWBY uses her for anyways throughout V1-V3.

That would require a level of technical thinking that RWBY as a show has never been interested in.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

That would require a level of technical thinking that RWBY as a show has never been interested in.

Monty definitely was, fight scenes were literally the one thing he knew.

 

[Turtles McDougal]

Monty definitely was, fight scenes were literally the one thing he knew.

Furthermore, Yang vs. Neo is probably the best fight he's done. It sold you on Neo and put in the mystery of how Neo...actually works (The shifting eye colors).

Whether he would have followed through on the Yang/Neo feud is a different story, but c'est la vie.

 

[Cactuar King]

Not only that but scope creep and cast bloat were already starting to become crippling problems at the end of V2 and V3 just cranked that shit to ten and then ripped out the knob.

I think they had cast issues even from the start to be honest. Yang didn't get much to do during V1, and even though Teams RWBY and JNPR are supposed to be friends and sit at the same table, they don't interact much. I mean, they'll talk at each other, but never to each other. Team RWBY talk to each other and Ruby and Weiss will interact with Jaune, but that's kind of it. Ditto with JNPR, its very insular.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Yeah for sure and Neo is literally the perfect foil for Yang given their fighting styles. A fight between Adam and Yang doesn't drive home the point of "Don't just charge in and go crazy" since their semblences would naturally build off each other and they'd both need to immediately go hard in the paint in order to build their semblences as fast as possible because the first person to land a blow will get the knockout.

Remember when Yang called Adam's Semblance cheap when it's basically the same as hers?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Remember when Yang called Adam's Semblance cheap when it's basically the same as hers?

I don't actually, but I stopped watching after V4 and have only seen bits and pieces of the other volumes.

But either that said their semblance are only similar on the surface. In practice they work very differently because Adam wants to block and parry hits whereas Yang wants to trade.

 

[WitchOfDarkness]

, if I were rewriting RWBY, the Fall of Beacon would happen at the end of Season 2 at the latest. Cut all the dumb school life bullshit unless you're looking to write a school life series (they clearly aren't),

I don't know. The clearly don't want to write school life. But that is when the show at it's most popular. It's been them trying to play a fantasy setting and failing hard since then.

Does actually anyone care about the politics of the 4 kingdoms or whatever?

 

[Chilson]

I don't know. The clearly don't want to write school life. But that is when the show at it's most popular. It's been them trying to play a fantasy setting and failing hard since then.

Does actually anyone care about the politics of the 4 kingdoms or whatever?

I hated the school life story, but that is because I am biased and originally thought it was going to be a Witcher style hunter story where they would travel the world hunting monsters rather than just be yet another generic school anime setting.