US No, You Don’t Actually Have a Right to a Bank Account - Null BTFO by New York Times


When Brian P. Brooks was a financial regulator during the first Trump administration, he would hear complaints about “debanking” and force himself not to roll his eyes.

The expression was being used by representatives of some rather polarizing businesses, such as private prisons and fracking operators, who complained to Mr. Brooks, the acting comptroller of the currency, that their bank accounts were being closed without warning. His reaction boiled down to the free-market equivalent of tough luck. He didn’t see it as his job to compel banks to do business with anyone in particular.

Five years later, Mr. Brooks, who now runs a brokerage firm and advises cryptocurrency companies, says he is convinced there is a problem. He is among a growing number of people in the finance world who have urged Trump administration officials over the past half-year — in meetings in Washington and at the Mar-a-Lago club in Florida — to crack down on the practice.

“The electric company can’t deny you service because it doesn’t like your looks, and neither can a bank,” Mr. Brooks said in an interview.

In recent months, the cry of “debanking” has rung out from conservative and religious groups and the Trump Organization to accuse lenders of politically motivated discrimination. It is coming from cryptocurrency companies that say regulations bar them from opening ordinary bank accounts, and from liberal lawmakers speaking up for individuals and businesses whose A.T.M. cards are shut off without warning.

President Trump and Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent have brought up the issue, and so has Senator Elizabeth Warren, the Massachusetts Democrat. And dozens of state attorneys general have written to the chief executives of major banks demanding answers.

But if there is a political consensus that debanking is a problem, there is less agreement on what to do about it. Or on what it is at all.

The term is most often raised by those who argue that the financial system has locked them out because of their political positions. Those denials can include closing accounts or refusing to provide financing or underwrite loans for certain types of activities.

No legal right to a bank account exists, however. Banks are prohibited from discriminating in lending on the basis of protected factors including race and gender, but are generally permitted to eschew categories of customers deemed too risky, such as adult entertainers or cash-dependent small businesses.

What appears as prejudice to some is, to others, simply a bank using its discretion to run a profitable business and avoid depositors who raise red flags. Lawmakers say there have been thousands of debanking complaints over the past few years,

“The debanking hysteria is all smoke, no fire,” said Adam J. Levitin, a professor of law and finance at Georgetown University. “It’s a lot of self-serving and unverifiable allegations from risky businesses and customers.”

But even lenders and regulators who hadn’t treated these complaints as a priority now say publicly that they are studying it seriously.

The Trump administration told Congress in March that it would cease enforcing an esoteric bank regulatory tool — an assessment of whether a banking activity may harm a bank’s reputation — that critics of debanking have assailed.

Administration officials have separately discussed with bank executives and regulators a number of potential moves, including issuing a presidential executive order on the matter and reviving a proposal from the first Trump term that would force large banks to provide “fair access” to their products, according to two people who have discussed the matter with administration officials but were not authorized to speak publicly.

In a sign of how much the tide has shifted, the same bank lobbying groups that fiercely fought a fair-access rule for the past few years have signaled that they might not object if it is attempted now.

The debanking conversation tracks back to the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis, when regulators enacted rules to deter banks from lending to risky businesses.

An Obama administration program, Operation Choke Point, cracked down on bank accounts for some payday lenders and gun-related businesses.

The first Trump administration dropped the Choke Point initiative, and Democrats also began arguing that a rash of small-business account closures was evidence that something needed to be done to curb debanking.

In late 2020 the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, under Mr. Brooks, said it saw evidence that the five largest banks in America — JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, Citi, Wells Fargo and U.S. Bank — had stopped providing banking services to fossil fuel companies.

In one instance flagged by the attorney general’s office for Wyoming, Wells Fargo’s website advertised that the lender would deny services to coal mining companies. The web page has since disappeared, and Wells Fargo spokeswomen declined requests for clarification on the bank’s current policies.

But other examples commonly cited by conservative media in recent years are disputed, such as the case of Indigenous Advance, a Tennessee Christian charity active in Uganda. The charity, with the help of a religious advocacy group, Alliance Defending Freedom, filed a complaint with the state’s attorney general in 2023, arguing that Bank of America had apparently closed its account because the lender disagreed with its religious views.

Bank of America firmly denied that, saying that Indigenous Advance was involved in debt collection and that the bank refuses to serve such entities.

Jeremy Tedesco, senior counsel at Alliance Defending Freedom, said Bank of America had not given that reason when it closed the account but had raised it only four months later, after the media began writing about the case. One thing that isn’t disputed: The Tennessee attorney general’s office did not pursue the case.

For Mr. Trump, the issue appears to be both personal and political.

The first lady, Melania Trump, wrote in her recent memoir that a bank had dropped her and the couple’s son, Barron, though she cited no evidence and her office declined to provide any. And in March, the Trump Organization sued Capital One in a state court in Florida, accusing the bank of “unjustifiably terminating” more than 300 of its bank accounts after the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol because of “‘woke’ beliefs.”

A Capital One spokesman denied that the bank closed any accounts for political reasons, but declined to provide any other reason for Trump account closures.

A White House spokesman, Harrison Fields, said in a statement, “The White House is, of course, concerned with the illegal abuse of power by banking institutions and their regulators designed to eradicate conservatives from public life.”

The topic has also given Mr. Trump an opportunity to reward the crypto industry, which contends that it is de facto debanked by regulatory conditions under which banks can open accounts for crypto companies. The industry says these guidelines have made it difficult to engage in even basic banking services.

In a statement, a Treasury spokeswoman called debanking “un-American” and said Mr. Bessent had asked regulators to address the issue of “reputational risk.” Some critics of debanking have said banks should not be allowed to use this risk as justification to refuse banking services to potential customers.

“The Treasury Department remains committed to ensuring that the banking system operates with integrity and provides fair access to Americans.”

Senator Tim Scott, Republican of South Carolina, has advanced a bill that seeks to address debanking concerns directly. The major bank lobbying groups support the bill, which one prominent bank attorney, speaking anonymously to avoid angering policymakers, called “an exercise in self-preservation.”

The Federal Reserve, too, has said it is looking into the issue. Late last month, the Fed withdrew directives that required banks to notify it before doing business with crypto clients — one of the more hated rules for crypto firms.

And in February, the central bank’s chair, Jerome H. Powell, told lawmakers that it had removed language from a manual for its regional reserve banks regarding how they decide which financial companies gain access to the Fed’s payments system.

The guidance on these master accounts previously urged the reserve banks to “consider the conduct of the institution and its leadership and whether association with the institution poses undue reputational risk.” It also raised the issue of whether the institution in question was engaged in “controversial commentary or activities.”
 
They're money launderers, do you honestly think their stated revenue is all they make?
The money laundering would be below the top line revenue, cleverly hidden in expenses and accruals.

The government taking it out of revenues rather than income is actually quite smart.

ETA: as to solving the debanking issue, I think state-run (not Federal) banks of last resort could be helpful. I think state-run would be better because the states could compete with each other, making the public solution less shitty.
 
Eww i aint eating journalists.
A chud like you will never even get a crumb of journussy.

Actually I have heard young leftists justify hateful/violent behaviour towards perceived neo-Nazis as follows: Nazis hate you for who you are, which you cannot change. We hate Nazis for the views they espouse, which can change. Therefore, we are justified in our hatred and violence, because they merely need to say uncle. Essentially, there are no bad tactics only bad targets.

Most people, and the Government, will tacitly support debanking because they see it has a societal value in correcting problematic tendencies and silencing bothersome voices. Obviously it’s illegal to debank people based on protected classes, because there is no perception that refusing to provide banking services to a nigger has any societal value.
 
Again, has this actually happened? In Canada, the government literally had to force banks to freeze accounts. The banks themselves were not particularly interested in removing customers.

‘Let’s fight the government by involving the government’ is generally not a productive solution.

China also locks people out of payment methods like WeChat and Alipay that do things that go against the CCP, which is effectively a way of debanking people. China also did things like freezing people's bank cards for "Zero COVID safety protection".
 
They'll cut them a check for whatever remained in the account. The bank's attitude is "go somewhere else, you can't stay here".
That's fine then, like I said I have no insider knowledge of banking systems, my layman first impression from the article is that the money is just seized and the bank blows a raspberry at them.
You also seem to think banks are some hivemind of ideologically-driven spite. They're not. At worst, they're washing their hands of it and telling the debanked, "not our problem."
I was under the impression that flags like OFAC sanctions were linked to individuals or companies through some kind of identification, like SSNs or EINs, so once someone is flagged and gets debanked by one bank, others will see the same flag when that person/company is trying to get a new account.

Honestly I'm glad that things aren't as underhanded as they seemed. It's still all pretty fucking slimy but it's not slimy-dystopian in the US like how it sounds in China from:

China also locks people out of payment methods like WeChat and Alipay that do things that go against the CCP, which is effectively a way of debanking people. China also did things like freezing people's bank cards for "Zero COVID safety protection".
 
Just when I thought I didn't hate these journalists enough.
Yeah, technically true alright. Technically true based on laws drafted at a time where communication went through tin cans. So obviously none of these laws should be refined and the definition of human rights shouldn't expand to include things mainstream driveling leftoids disapprove of, but clearly Internet access and health care are human rights (not mutually exclusive, all of them can be rights).
 
These same faggots at the NYT probably turned around and wrote a whiny bleeding heart article about much unbanked niggers who just have no choice but to use payday lenders.
 
I was under the impression that flags like OFAC sanctions were linked to individuals or companies through some kind of identification, like SSNs or EINs, so once someone is flagged and gets debanked by one bank, others will see the same flag when that person/company is trying to get a new account.
They are, but banks aren't gonna flag or share that information unless they have good reason to believe it's a real match. Information dragnets are vast; they're not gonna launch an investigation because their reports matched someone named "Allen" to "Allah Akbar".

Banks are the people keeping your money secure, not the Spanish Inquisition. By and large, they don't give two fucks what their customers do with their own money unless it's gonna cause problems for themselves. Compliance is all about covering their own asses.
 
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Voting technically is not a right, and many of the problems we have today are because too m
Take a Constitutional law class. Or really any law class. When you put together case law, the amendments, and the statutes there absolutely is an enforceable right to vote. No law removing that is ever happening just because some subreddit told you ACKSHUALLY
Well, technically Paypal and Credit Unions aren't considered banks by law.
In context, this is a distinction without a difference and even entities called banks can have different regulators, though post SVB that is slowly becoming a smaller case.

Several states’ banking regulators regulate PayPal.
 
Even worse is the fact that it's not just that the bank doesn't like you, it's that "some cunt at mastercard/visa/whatever baby-eating payment processor called us and said they don't like you, so we can't make an account for you unless we want our bank to be inoperable, sorry, guess that's your problem now :))" is the response you might get if you're lucky after 10 different boilerplate responses with nothing concrete to actually explain the issue.
 
Has anyone consulted Israel on how bigots are supposed to bake the cake after the bank closes their account for not endorsing sodomites?
 
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The thing is though, there's a big difference between denying/closing an account due to clear risk of fraud or association with criminal activity (i.e. money laundering, OFAC type issues, etc.) and these debanking situations where accounts were closed with no explanation or justification.
De-banking should not be allowed for anything less than criminal activity. The executives of any company committing such political persecution deserve to be thrown in ADX Florence for economic terrorism.
banking should be a legally compulsory service, like any other utility.
If they're going to be permitted to deny service, it should be based on a very short list of extreme risk circumstances and for no other reason.

This "We don't like your politics, get fucked loser LOL" approach the banking industry has been permitted to take for the past five decades is an utter shitshow and has to be stopped. Trump should issue an EO and Congress should pass legislation making debanking a crime.
 
It wouldn't be too bad if it was still like back in the day where any bozo could start a bank if there were unserved customers.
The Based Bank would do well even without the blackjack and hookers.
But these days the government demands you have $50 000 000 in starting capital, can convince a government body that you deserve to be part of the cabal, and the people who decide if you get to found a bank are bought and paid by the already existing banks.
It's all so
 
Take a Constitutional law class. Or really any law class.
And they would tell you the Constitution does not grant you a right to vote. You don't need to be a constitutional scholar to read the Constitution. States have broad powers to decide how to run their elections, and they can certainly limit who vote and do all the time with gerrymandering, deciding who preventing felons from voting, age requirements, certifying electors, limiting what areas have voting machines and ballot drop boxes, restrictions on ballot measures, banning RCV, and enforcing voting identification requirements.
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In context, this is a distinction without a difference and even entities called banks can have different regulators, though post SVB that is slowly becoming a smaller case.
Its a moot point to bring up regulations because they typically don't force de-banking; its up to the bank itself. More so, the FDIC does not insure Paypal because its not a bank. What you linked simply shows Paypal has businesses licenses in those states. That's separate from being considered a bank.States can restrict you from operating a brothel within in their state, but that doesn't make a brothel a bank.

Ironically, constitutional law courses are suppose to teach you semantics matter, so its odd to discount them like this.
 
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Again, has this actually happened? In Canada, the government literally had to force banks to freeze accounts. The banks themselves were not particularly interested in removing customers.

‘Let’s fight the government by involving the government’ is generally not a productive solution.
Sitting back and doing nothing got us in this shit heap and those unbankings go one way. The ability to freely unbank and the push towards a cashless future leads to a future where someone can be literally unpersonrd in the near future. See past your own dick and think of where this leads.
I'm so glad that globohomo and shitlibs publish crap like this proudly. More people will slowly wake up every single day.
And yet you have multiple retards in this thread going 'well acksually it's a private business' ignoring the fact that the canaries are already being choked out.
 
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