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It's essentially a fifth layer of government (federal -> state -> county -> city -> HOA), so the "more government!" crowd is always eager to support HOAs.
HOA's are the libertarians' most acceptable alternative to government because it is private, and voluntary. So you'll often find a libertarian crowd supporting HOAs as well because they don't consider it government because private entity=good.
 
Congress quarreling is something that has always happened but the Supreme Court and the modern judicial system ridiculousness is not something meant to happen by design. The almighty Marbury vs. Madison saw the Court go against the "Father of Constitution" to get the power of judicial review and nationwide injunctions are a relatively new tactic for partisan (primarily liberal activist) judges to stop the executive branch from doing something.
Without Judicial review, the Constitution has no force of law.
 
HOA's are the libertarians' most acceptable alternative to government because it is private, and voluntary. So you'll often find a libertarian crowd supporting HOAs as well because they don't consider it government because private entity=good.
HOA's are evil as shit and if this is what libertarians think is a good idea they truly are the dumb fucks of democracy. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has dealt with a HOA and wanted the person who came up with it to be tortured by having them try and open jammed jar lids super-glued with razor blades around the circumference.
 
I wish we had an hoa here. My neighborhood isn't "bad" but it could be one day, would be better today if people didn't have too many cars for the size of their house and park all over the street, if people didn't have too many houses and rent those out, if people didn't throw couches and big shit on the curb they know damn well the trash men won't pick up and leave sitting, I don't know if people are doing airbnb or renting a room but I don't like the idea of that either, if people haven't repainted in 20 something years and their house looks like shit, if their garage door is busted off track forever looking like shit. And yes, keep up with the lawn too. Imo if one wants total freedom of their land/property move to the country, there are responsibilities that come with living in a neighborhood/city/proximity of others. Cmv.
 
Yeah, but it's never ever 'keep your lawn cut' and almost always 'you have to use this Pennsylvania seed, and if you even think about taking a bush hauler to the jungle that's in the property you just bought we'll take you to court because our crotch goblins like playing there and it gives the teen a place to smoke pot and finger themselves far enough away from us so we can self-medicate but not so far off that we'll worry that the urban youth will rape them'.

I did move way out to the middle of nowhere after dealing with that shit.
 
When people hear "horrifying word that begins with N" they really should think "nuclear", and this is a subtle nod in that direction or at least that's how i choose to interpret it.
I mean yes but.. what about nuclear power? we gotta start switching to that soon and I doubt this helps
 
I wish we had an hoa here. My neighborhood isn't "bad" but it could be one day, would be better today if people didn't have too many cars for the size of their house and park all over the street, if people didn't have too many houses and rent those out, if people didn't throw couches and big shit on the curb they know damn well the trash men won't pick up and leave sitting, I don't know if people are doing airbnb or renting a room but I don't like the idea of that either, if people haven't repainted in 20 something years and their house looks like shit, if their garage door is busted off track forever looking like shit. And yes, keep up with the lawn too. Imo if one wants total freedom of their land/property move to the country, there are responsibilities that come with living in a neighborhood/city/proximity of others. Cmv.

Even in areas without an HOA the city will fine you if your lawn is unruly or you have tons of broken down shit making things look bad. At least some cities (the two Ive lived in)
 
Even in areas without an HOA the city will fine you if your lawn is unruly or you have tons of broken down shit making things look bad. At least some cities (the two Ive lived in)

They do here too but it has to be reported by someone first, be better if it never started in the first place. and the city doesn't really have rules about a lot of the other things like the 7 cars or shitty old paint. I get what you all are saying about rule-creep too but there's gotta be some better middle ground could be figured out
 
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They do here too but it has to be reported by someone first, be better if it never started in the first place. and the city doesn't really have rules about a lot of the other things like the 7 cars or shitty old paint. I get what you all are saying about rule-creep too but there's gotta be some better middle ground could be figured out

I can agree but more levels of bureaucracy is almost never the answer. And yes you're def right about people having to report, but there is always one person on the block who seems to be happy to do so. I'm not sure about your exact area, but houses that look derelict can also be reported to the city. If its just a matter of an ugly paint job or them parking in front of their house.. Thats just a suck it up and deal with it situation. I know my city wont allow you to park cars in your front yard only the drive way (back yard is ok). At most we get a few in the drive way and a few in front of their property.

If the existing rules were enforced properly I don't think you'd have as many issues.
 
Old people dying and their 2+ homes each going onto the market will bring prices down. The boomer death wave is the incoming market correction. They're sitting on so much real estate it's not funny. It isn't vanguard or blackrock who bought up the housing supply. It's boomer trying to play landlord. Funniest part of it all is that welfare pays for these decrepit demons to keep housing out of the hands of the working people who pay for the welfare.

The day of the pillow can't come fast enough.
Very few if any boomer estates will be inherited or actually hit the open market. Most will be sold to banks and multinational holding companies to cover a decade of biomechanical horror as the boomers desperately cling to life in fetid nursing homes.
 
Call it cowardice, sure, I get it. But it's completely understandable, from a individualistic notion, which of course libertarianism is. I ain't gonna serve time in your backward ass rule system to further my beliefs in hopes of my railroading enlightens and emancipates YOU.
If everyone does this then you don't have the ability to flee out of the system like you want. It's a form of freeloading, where you benefit from the freedom of the society without doing anything to defend it.

And when it's threatened you run off declaring that individualism is paramount. But you were happy to benefit from the collective protection and governance but you didn't govern society to keep it that way despite having the power and opportunity.

That's cowardice. It's what the silicon valley types found out. You can't keep running away from responsibility to keep your society free no matter how much you scream about individualism
 
If everyone does this then you don't have the ability to flee out of the system like you want. It's a form of freeloading, where you benefit from the freedom of the society without doing anything to defend it.

And when it's threatened you run off declaring that individualism is paramount. But you were happy to benefit from the collective protection and governance but you didn't govern society to keep it that way despite having the power and opportunity.

That's cowardice. It's what the silicon valley types found out. You can't keep running away from responsibility to keep your society free no matter how much you scream about individualism
But, like, i'm not jewish. this isn't a fascist society. My fate is not tied to that of the country or that of the people around me. "the system" is not uniform and you can literally just go buy land in missouri somewhere and never have to deal with anybody ever again. It's only cowardice if you're framing this as some kind of cosmic struggle but i'm not part of some grand drama i'm a fucking guy. To some degree yeah we're all born into the bondage of government tyrrany or whatever anarchist spiel you want to give but ultimately it's the same kind of faggotry that informs fascism, jews, collectivism, whatever. you're not stronger as a collective than as an individual, and almost every single piece of media in the world today is written to trick you into caring more about the collective than yourself.
 
you're not stronger as a collective than as an individual, and almost every single piece of media in the world today is written to trick you into caring more about the collective than yourself.
The reason collectivism is the MO everywhere is because the collective steamrolls the individual every time. Society is basically an ossification of this relationship, so that TPTB don't have to run every retard who thinks he's stronger than whatever collective he inhabits over with a tank to prove it to him. I think that people who think that the individual is stronger must not have ever had to actually do anything. Whatever you choose to do to support yourself as an island unto yourself would fail in a vacuum. Just living off the grid without the rest of society would require you to be an architect, blacksmith, farmer, electrician (or to properly cut & store firewood, know how to make a spring/root cellar and preserve crops, etc), carpenter, etc. And saying 'I'd trade with other people' is a cop-out - society exists in a large part to create and enforce the rules of a market and defend that order against external threats, so the claim devolves into 'I'll build a different, better kind of collective'.
 
The reason collectivism is the MO everywhere is because the collective steamrolls the individual every time. Society is basically an ossification of this relationship, so that TPTB don't have to run every retard who thinks he's stronger than whatever collective he inhabits over with a tank to prove it to him. I think that people who think that the individual is stronger must not have ever had to actually do anything. Whatever you choose to do to support yourself as an island unto yourself would fail in a vacuum. Just living off the grid without the rest of society would require you to be an architect, blacksmith, farmer, electrician (or to properly cut & store firewood, know how to make a spring/root cellar and preserve crops, etc), carpenter, etc. And saying 'I'd trade with other people' is a cop-out - society exists in a large part to create and enforce the rules of a market and defend that order against external threats, so the claim devolves into 'I'll build a different, better kind of collective'.
are you trying to insinuate i'm taking the unabomber position because i have no clue what you're talking about

we live in a society, man. i don't even know what you're trying to say. you're going to recieve some benefit from the people around you as a result of your labor. that's how a society functions. the smallest unit of that society is an invidual person, not a eusocial worker drone that subsumes the roles of the collective.
 
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