Ukrainian Defensive War against the Russian Invasion - Mark IV: The Partitioning of Discussion

Any of the Americans wanna comment or shed light on Trump's latest interview? He tore into Ukraine a lot, he also found it hard (avoided), speaking even remotely negative about Russia/Putin.
it doesn't really matter at this point. there will be two camps on this: the people who call his statements stupid because they're absurdly shocking from a man that wants to appear strong, let alone one that runs on an "America first" platform. Then you will have the other side that calls the first one TDS mind broken losers and spend 4-5 paragraphs interpreting his statements in the nicest way possible. It would be easier to read the entrails. No meaningful conversation comes of it and it just pulls the thread away from it's purpose. Either Trump will eventually capitulate to Russia (wild that's a possibility) or Trump will put his foot down and actually support Ukraine.
 
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Rumors of new euroid sanctions emerge - but sanctions on kacap gas when?

Despite the Russian war against Ukraine, the EU imported more gas from Russia last year. The increase was 18 percent compared to 2023, the Ember think tank calculated. This includes both gas that entered the EU through pipelines and liquefied natural gas (LNG).

Italy, the Czech Republic and France in particular are increasingly buying gas from Russia, according to the data. Imports will continue to grow in 2025, the think tank added. However, according to analysts, this is not necessary, as gas demand has not increased in the EU. Moreover, gas prices have risen by almost 60 percent in 2024.
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Any of the Americans wanna comment or shed light on Trump's latest interview? He tore into Ukraine a lot, he also found it hard (avoided), speaking even remotely negative about Russia/Putin.
It's Trump showing what a colossal weakling he is, that's what Trump's doing and he is incapable of realizing it.

What he thinks he's doing is his usual shtick of cozying up to Putin, slamming Ukraine and being nice (through omission) towards Russia. The image he thinks this projects is "hey, buddy, look, I'm on your side, okay?" This, presumably, is to try and get himself back into the peace talks with the hopes that he can just be the big bully in the room or that Putin is just going to want to wash his hands of the whole thing. Boom, peace negotiated, war over, and Trump gets his hands on that Nobel Peace Prize he's been lusting after since his thing with North Korea back in the late 2010s went nowhere.

Of course, this doesn't work on Putin because this whole thing has devolved into some weird existential matter where he has to reclaim what he believes to be Russia's land by right and all the factors about why ending the war would be political suicide for him and the Russian economy. But any political leader worth a damn in this day and age can see Trump is completely out of his league while trying to pretend he isn't.
 
Trump is becoming incredibly irritated lately, from walking away from peace talks, straight up ignoring Israel, I genuinely think he's done fucking around.
Or maybe not, we'll see.
Trump got hit in the face by reality.

Maybe he realozed Putin was sweet talking/ass kissing/playing victim and as soon as he returns to Russia he does whatever he was doing, making Trump look like a retard.

He also can't glass Gaza and have his millionaire paradise in the middle east cause middle easterners are savage subhumans that hate eachother and go to war over nothing.
 


Preston Stewart thinks Trump Is A Major Impediment To Peace. It's a defensible position to say there's a US Administration bias towards Putin. Zelensky agrees to everything requested from Minerals Deal to ceasefires, but Putin refuses anything, yet Trump just bemoans how difficult Zelensky is to him. The Trump Administration awe of Russia seems immune to evidence. Russia is at best a regional power and at worst, or rather, also, an arch-terrorist (a drone attacking a marked bus of pensioners in killing at least nine is a recent example).

Putin and his blown up electrician - Kyiv Post / original link - Kyiv Post

I posted Professor Tim Wilson's mention of this above. One apparent Russian conspiracy theory is that Mikhail Mukhin the electrician was installing a cryogenic chamber where Putin's corpse is kept but that the FSB became suspicious Mukhin was gathering evidence and so FSB and FSO (Federal Protective Agency) agents mounted a joint operation to interrogate the electrician who on learning the purpose of the visit detonated a bomb. A more standard conspiracy theory is that it's an internal warning to Putin.

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Former Lithuanian Foreign Minister has understandable cynicism, even contempt for this 'Coalition of the Willing' or to my mind the 'Coalition of the Mediocre'.

Putin was threatened with “crippling” sanctions, which later became a threat to initiate preparations of crippling sanctions, which subsequently turned into an ordinary round of sanctions that are just as crippling as being poked with soft cushions in a Monty Python sketch.

While I obviously wish them all the success in the world, I am wondering why is it so hard to find evidence that the coalition of the willing is actually willing to do anything meaningful, let alone gamechanging.

For example, we have heard a lot about the thousand ships of Russia’s so-called shadow fleet. And after months of negotiations, Europe has managed to agree on sanctioning fewer than 200. Add that to the 100 previously sanctioned and we are fast approaching 300! Out of a thousand.

That means 700 ships are still sailing from St. Petersburg to wherever—carrying Russian oil and bringing back yuan, rupees, or whatever currency their buyers use. And that means Russian coffers are still being filled with money.
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Preston Stewart thinks Trump Is A Major Impediment To Peace. It's a defensible position to say there's a US Administration bias towards Putin. Zelensky agrees to everything requested from Minerals Deal to ceasefires, but Putin refuses anything, yet Trump just bemoans how difficult Zelensky is to him. The Trump Administration awe of Russia seems immune to evidence. Russia is at best a regional power and at best an arch-terrorist
"It's not terrorism when you're pest controlling the servants of globohomo," which is the sentiment of the pro-Russian, anti-NATO right. The fact eastern Europe had dare want to escape the Russian "sphere of influence" is an continuing affront to them ever since the Berlin Wall fell.
 
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"It's not terrorism when you're pest controlling the servants of globohomo," which is the sentiment of the pro-Russian, anti-NATO right. The fact eastern Europe dars want to escape the Russian "sphere of influence" is an continuing affront to them ever since the Berlin Wall fell.
This has always struck me as some form of odd national cuckoldry when I see it. Not saying everyone on the opposition are necessarily cucks but actively rooting for the undermining and destruction of the hegemony that you benefit from instead of just wanting to improve or reform it is just incredibly petty. It's throwing the whole family out with the bathwater so what? China or Russia can form a new multi-polar world that worsens your standing in life? "I want the people who hate me to win so the jews lose" while rooting for the majority jewish Russian oligarchs and overly corrupt CCP officials? Does the bull work sundays? I don't get it. The western anti-westerners will never not confound me. Someone help me out.
 
One apparent Russian conspiracy theory is that Mikhail Mukhin the electrician was installing a cryogenic chamber where Putin's corpse is kept but that the FSB became suspicious Mukhin was gathering evidence and so FSB and FSO (Federal Protective Agency) agents mounted a joint operation to interrogate the electrician who on learning the purpose of the visit detonated a bomb. A more standard conspiracy theory is that it's an internal warning to Putin.
Is that a theory inside Russia or outside of it? Because it sounds insane either way that Putin wants to effectively Futurama himself.
 
This has always struck me as some form of odd national cuckoldry when I see it. Not saying everyone on the opposition are necessarily cucks but actively rooting for the undermining and destruction of the hegemony that you benefit from instead of just wanting to improve or reform it is just incredibly petty. It's throwing the whole family out with the bathwater so what? China or Russia can form a new multi-polar world that worsens your standing in life? "I want the people who hate me to win so the jews lose" while rooting for the majority jewish Russian oligarchs and overly corrupt CCP officials? Does the bull work sundays? I don't get it. The western anti-westerners will never not confound me. Someone help me out.
Make no mistake, these people are not anti-jew. In fact, they have jujucum all over their faces just like Trump; they are paid by a network of some of the biggest homos you'll ever find, and that always goes back to the jews, who function more like organized crime than an ethnicity or a religion. A ton of these RW ziggers can be found as orbiters of BAP -- he has a thread: https://kiwifarms.st/threads/bronze...ue-twitter-the-talmudic-network.190081/unread
 
What he thinks he's doing is his usual shtick of cozying up to Putin, slamming Ukraine and being nice (through omission) towards Russia. The image he thinks this projects is "hey, buddy, look, I'm on your side, okay?" This, presumably, is to try and get himself back into the peace talks with the hopes that he can just be the big bully in the room or that Putin is just going to want to wash his hands of the whole thing. Boom, peace negotiated, war over, and Trump gets his hands on that Nobel Peace Prize he's been lusting after since his thing with North Korea back in the late 2010s went nowhere.
I think Trump basically believes people like Tucker and the Russia fanboys he's had on his podcast over US intelligence reports. So would prefer to side with Russia to get them to go against China, but can't as he has much of the senate still pushing for the sanctions bill and they may end up just doing it while making it veto proof so that Trump can't stop it.

There was even a story the other day regarding the administration trying to get a second intelligence report done on Venezuela because they didn't like the results they got back the first time (they didn't confirm their theory Tren de Aragua are agents of the Venezuelan government). So they're against deferring to the intelligence agencies for actual intelligence about other countries and are instead wanting to dictate to them what they're supposed to be finding is true.

The same approach may be affecting how they work at this peace deal where Trump and his friends are of the belief that Zelensky is everything some podcaster said, and having it direct how they tell everyone to handle the negotiations.
 
I think Trump basically believes people like Tucker and the Russia fanboys he's had on his podcast over US intelligence reports. So would prefer to side with Russia to get them to go against China, but can't as he has much of the senate still pushing for the sanctions bill and they may end up just doing it while making it veto proof so that Trump can't stop it.

There was even a story the other day regarding the administration trying to get a second intelligence report done on Venezuela because they didn't like the results they got back the first time (they didn't confirm their theory Tren de Aragua are agents of the Venezuelan government). So they're against deferring to the intelligence agencies for actual intelligence about other countries and are instead wanting to dictate to them what they're supposed to be finding is true.

The same approach may be affecting how they work at this peace deal where Trump and his friends are of the belief that Zelensky is everything some podcaster said, and having it direct how they tell everyone to handle the negotiations.
Trump trying to master plan this to be against China does make some sense, especially considering the tariff insanity, which also would explain why Trump's constantly pissed that Zelensky just won't hand over more of Ukraine to Russia to end the whole thing.
 
DId trvmp speak about North Korea since he became the POTUS again? He should, now their army is actively partaking in the war, with Kim's regime allegedly profiting billions of USD from that.

And no, these aren't French/Polish mercenaries (:)) or any Chinese hired soldier, they are a literal third actor fighting for Russia. And that should be a problem, if he cares for peace.
 
The Venezuela story for those unfamiliar.

Trump Appointee Pressed Analyst to Redo Intelligence on Venezuelan Gang​

A top adviser to the director of national intelligence ordered a senior analyst to redo an assessment of the relationship between Venezuela’s government and a gang after intelligence findings undercut the White House’s justification for deporting migrants, according to officials.

President Trump’s use of a wartime law to send Venezuelan migrants to a brutal prison in El Salvador without due process relies on a claim that U.S. intelligence agencies think is wrong. But behind the scenes, a political appointee told a career official to rework the assessment, a direction that allies of the intelligence analyst said amounted to pressure to change the findings.

Mr. Trump on March 15 invoked the law, the Alien Enemies Act, to summarily remove people accused of being members of the gang, Tren de Aragua. The rarely used act appears to require a link to a foreign state, and he claimed that Venezuela’s government had directed the gang to commit crimes inside the United States.

On March 20, The New York Times reported that an intelligence assessment in late February contradicted that claim. It detailed many reasons that the intelligence community as a whole concluded that the gang was not acting under the Venezuelan government’s control. The F.B.I. partly dissented, maintaining that the gang had some links to Venezuela’s government based on information all the other agencies did not find credible.

The administration was alarmed by the disclosure. The next day, a Friday, the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche, announced a criminal leak investigation, characterizing The Times’s detailed description of the intelligence assessment as “inaccurate” and “false” while insisting that Mr. Trump’s proclamation was “supported by fact, law, and common sense.”

The following Monday, Joe Kent, the acting chief of staff for Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, told a senior intelligence analyst to do a new assessment of the relationship between Venezuela’s government and the gang, the officials said. The analyst, Michael Collins, was serving as the acting chair of the National Intelligence Council at the time.

An official who has reviewed messages about the assessment said Mr. Kent made the request to Mr. Collins in an email, asking him to “rethink” the earlier analysis. The official said Mr. Kent was not politicizing the process, but giving his assessment and asking the intelligence officials to take into account the flows of migrants across the border during the Biden administration.

The National Intelligence Council is an elite internal think tank that reports to Ms. Gabbard and that policymakers can commission to undertake special analytical projects. The council canvasses spy agencies across the executive branch for its information.

While officials close to Ms. Gabbard said Mr. Kent’s request was entirely appropriate, other intelligence officials said they saw it as an effort to produce a torqued narrative that would support Mr. Trump’s agenda. But after re-examining the relevant evidence collected by agencies like the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency and the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the council on April 7 reaffirmed the original findings.

Inside the administration, even some officials who do not think Mr. Kent injected politics into the intelligence report are angry for what they see as a blundering intervention. Little new information had been collected in the month after the original assessment and his request for a redo, so there was no reason to expect the council to come up with different findings.


From the beginning, politics surrounded the request for an intelligence assessment.

The original assessment stemmed from a White House request, according to former American officials.

It is not clear who specifically inside the White House made the request.

Inside the administration, Stephen Miller, Mr. Trump’s homeland security adviser, spearheads immigration policy. He has developed numerous ways to leverage existing laws — sometimes via aggressive interpretations — to better seal the border and accelerate deportations. Invoking the Alien Enemies Act to avoid time-consuming asylum and deportation hearings is one of those innovations.

In response to the White House request, Mr. Kent asked the National Intelligence Council to produce its initial analysis. The resulting report was dated Feb. 26, according to officials familiar with it.

Details remain unclear of the White House deliberations that led to Mr. Trump, two weeks later, signing a proclamation that made purportedly factual findings that contradicted the executive branch intelligence community’s understanding of what was true.

After the assessment came to light and Mr. Kent asked Mr. Collins to rethink that analysis, Mr. Collins agreed to produce an updated assessment, according to people briefed on the events.

Some intelligence officials took Mr. Kent’s intervention as an attempt to politicize the findings and push them in line with the Justice Department arguments and the Trump administration policy. Mr. Collins, according to those officials, worked to navigate the politics and to protect the analytic integrity of the National Intelligence Council’s work as he began drafting a “sense of the community memo.”

The officials who described the matter spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive internal deliberations. Intelligence officials declined to make Mr. Collins available for an interview.

Olivia C. Coleman, a spokeswoman for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, said requesting the intelligence assessment on the gang’s ties to the Venezuelan government was “common practice.” She also defended Mr. Kent, saying, without detail, that the timeline presented in this article was “false and fabricated.”

“It is the deep state’s latest effort to attack this administration from within with an orchestrated op detached from reality,” Ms. Coleman said.

Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said Mr. Trump’s policy on deporting Venezuelans to El Salvador had made America safer. “President Trump rightfully designated Tren de Aragua as a foreign terrorist organization based on intelligence assessments and, frankly, common sense,” she said.

After Mr. Trump sent planeloads of Venezuelans to El Salvador, a complex series of court fights have erupted and courts have blocked, for now, further use of the act for deportations. On Friday, the Supreme Court extended the freeze.

As the National Intelligence Council drafted the second analysis, multiple officials said, Mr. Collins and his colleagues tried to describe how most of the spy agencies had reached their consensus conclusion doubting any direct connection between the Venezuelan government and Tren de Aragua, and why the F.B.I. saw things partly differently.

The memo, dated April 7, concluded that the Venezuelan government “probably does not have a policy of cooperating with T.D.A. and is not directing T.D.A. movement to and operations in the United States.” It detailed why the intelligence community as a whole thought that, echoing accounts of the February assessment, like how the government treats Tren de Aragua as a threat and how the gang’s decentralized makeup would make it logistically challenging for it to carry out instructions.

The memo also went into greater detail about a partial dissent by the F.B.I. in a way that made clear why most of the intelligence community thought the bureau was wrong.

F.B.I. analysts largely agreed with the consensus assessment, the memo said, but they also thought that “some Venezuelan government officials” had helped gang members migrate to other countries, including the United States, and used them as proxies.

The basis of that conclusion came from law enforcement interviews of people who had been arrested in the United States — and “most” of the intelligence community judged those reports “not credible.”

The existence of the council’s memo and its bottom-line findings came to light in a Washington Post article on April 17. Publicly, the Trump administration and its supporters and influencers have reacted by vilifying Mr. Collins.

On April 20, Laura Loomer, a far-right activist who successfully lobbied the administration to fire other security officials, attacked the National Intelligence Council on social media as “career anti-Trump bureaucrats” who “need to be replaced if they want to promote open borders.” In the same post, she pasted images of Mr. Collins’s LinkedIn profile and of an Associated Press article about the council’s memo.

Three days later, Ms. Gabbard and her deputy chief of staff revealed on social media that they had made a criminal leak referral about the Post article. And, as reported by Fox News this week, Ms. Gabbard also removed Mr. Collins and his deputy from leading the council.

As discussion of the removals circulated, Ms. Gabbard and her circle have amplified posts portraying the council as a hive of biased, deep-state bureaucrats.

An official briefed on the matter has denied that Mr. Collins’s removal was connected to the Venezuela assessment or to Ms. Loomer. But other officials have said they believe Mr. Collins has been made a scapegoat.

When the council produced a draft memo, Mr. Kent insisted on several edits to its final form. The details of his changes remain unclear.

But his reaction to the final memo was surprising, the officials said: Mr. Kent was happy about it, and pushed to have it declassified so that it could be discussed publicly, the officials said.

Mr. Kent’s request for declassification set in motion a chain of events that led to the agency’s release of the report this month in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. Because the memo directly contradicts what Mr. Trump claimed — and is now public as an officially acknowledged document — it is generally seen as a legal and public relations fiasco for the administration.

The official who had reviewed the messages about the assessment said Mr. Kent’s reaction, recorded in emails to Mr. Collins, is clear evidence that he was not politicizing the process but merely wanted a fuller discussion of what intelligence agencies knew and the F.B.I.’s take on the issue. But other current and former officials questioned that narrative. Why, they asked, if Mr. Kent was pleased with the redone assessment, was Mr. Collins fired?

It is not entirely clear why Mr. Kent seemed to believe that the memo supported Mr. Trump’s claim. But he and other officials who shared his view were focused on the section exploring the F.B.I.’s partial dissent.

A line says that reports generated by U.S. law enforcement agencies have “the most focus on T.D.A. and its activities in the United States” because, unlike purely foreign intelligence agencies like the C.I.A., they can interrogate domestic prisoners.

But the memo also stressed multiple reasons to be skeptical. Among other things, because of their legal troubles, detainees had an incentive to fabricate “valuable” information, the memo said. And, it said, agencies had not observed the Venezuelan government directing the gang, which would likely require extensive communications, coordination and funding between government officials and gang leaders “that we would collect.”

Mr. Kent has a history of embracing alternative versions of reality that align with his political views but are not supported by evidence. For example, as recently as his confirmation hearing in April, he promoted the conspiracy theory that the F.B.I. secretly instigated the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the Capitol by Trump supporters trying to block Congress from certifying Joseph R. Biden Jr.’s electoral victory.


Basically, Trump invokes AEA saying Venezuela is linked to Tren de Aragua. A few days days later NYT reported on an intelligence assessment that contradicted the claim.

Deputy attorney general then also announced a leak investigation because this got out about that assessment that messed with the White House's argument for AEA.

Following Monday, a political appointee asked for a new assessment which people took to likely mean to come up with one that backed the White House's assertion as he was asking to 'rethink' the earlier analysis while keeping in mind the flow of migrants over the border. Later on some members of the national intelligence council were removed likely due to the leak of the assessment that contradicted the White House.

The new report they had done up still contradicted the White House (but was viewed by some at the White House as supporting it?) and was released after being declassified.

So a theme of political appointees trying to order those under them to come up with evidence to back up their previously held beliefs. Which seems similar to how they've been with Ukraine as they've really been against this idea of deferring to anyone that might be considered knowledgeable on the matter.
 
This may be prying too much into your personal life, but are you at risk of conscription? Or at the very least, are you safe?
Everyone is at risk, depending on how things develop, while safety is relative... Things seem stable for the time being, mostly dealing with everything becoming stupidly expensive, but at least I get to keep my life and what remains of my freedom, which is shrinking with every passing day. It's hardly just my personal life, it's true for everyone who isn't already there and isn't looking to join them.
So while not in any immediate danger, that could change at any moment. Because government can do whatever the fuck they want and there's nothing we can do about it. That's kind of the entire problem.
Is that a theory inside Russia or outside of it? Because it sounds insane either way that Putin wants to effectively Futurama himself.
I think the implication is that he's already dead, and have been for years. There's a fairly old conspiracy theory about Putin's doubles, some versions of which state that the original died, and our version of deep state is using doppelgangers in his place... for some reason. As if it would change anything if they just installed literally anyone else instead lol
Better yet, in some versions it's all a ploy by CIA to weaken Russia, they infiltrated Kremlin, killed good tsar Putin and replaced him with a despicable body double who's destroying his legacy.

There's so many layers of insane in that whole thing, that I'm starting to believe at least some version of this might actually be real.
 
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There's so many layers of insane in that whole thing, that I'm starting to believe at least some version of this might actually be real.
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With all the plastic surgery and aging, I wanted to line up an old portrait as closely as possible, but there are things that, even though they don't line up, can still have explanations, like a jawline being bigger with 'juice head,' and the ears looking bigger [simul. higher and lower] due to a facelift and sagging/elongation of lobes.
 
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With all the plastic surgery and aging, I wanted to line up an old portrait as closely as possible, but there are things that, even though they don't line up, can still have explanations, like a jawline being bigger with 'juice head,' and the ears looking bigger [simul. higher and lower] due to a facelift and sagging/elongation of lobes.
It's age, slav genetics, and alcoholism. Slavs go round-faced and jowly as they age and constant drinking causes a certain amount of fluid retention, as well as fucking up collagen. The combo makes their men look like friendly grandfathers and their women look like friendly grandfathers.
 
It's age, slav genetics, and alcoholism. Slavs go round-faced and jowly as they age and constant drinking causes a certain amount of fluid retention, as well as fucking up collagen. The combo makes their men look like friendly grandfathers and their women look like friendly grandfathers.
I agree, but you left out plastic surgery -- the reason Putin started to look so weird was an aggressive eye job to get rid of bags under his eyes. The only man I've ever seen [outside of tragic microcelebrity gays] with worse work done is Kenny Rogers.
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