The knee restraint technique used by Chauvin was (and is) taught and used by police and military forces globally hundreds, if not thousands of times a day, with complete safety. Even if one were to assume that it contributed to Floyd’s death, that alone makes it a vanishingly rare occurrence and as such makes Floyd’s death misadventure, not homicide.
Sure. I have no reason to believe a near non-existent contribution to death is inaccurate. But I think part of why it's so rare is because most cops aren't spending 9 minutes in that position without checking on the slowly dying perp.
Compression of the common carotid severe enough to cause death would leave extensive bruising, none of which was found at autopsy. Additionally, if there’s pressure on the carotid and the subject is conscious (ie struggling), then there’s still blood getting through.
Right. I don't think he crushed his arteries or anything. I also don't dispute there still
some blood getting through. As I said, he was winding down for quite some time. I just think it's clear that blood flow/oxygen was being restricted, which isn't permitted. But obviously this is a gray area due to their policies permitting the knee on neck, he isn't guaranteed to have noticed Floyd's batteries slowly dying, and no evidence it was deliberate (or even done enough at all).
It’s pretty clear that Floyd was in a respirationally depressed state due to opioid overdose. Some might argue that Chauvin’s knee didn’t help, but it became clear with the ‘positional asphyxia’ expert at the trial that the DA was desperate to find some ridiculous way of showing how Floyd was killed without any of the forensic evidence supporting the claim.
Yes, this is my belief, that it was in combination with his OD. My gripe is that it was pretty obvious he went unresponsive and they neglected to do anything. I'm definitely unfamiliar with the case, but I thought there were two autopsies and both confirmed asphyxia due to Chauvin's knee. Do you have a link handy or an existing summary of how the forensic evidence doesn't align with reality?
That didn’t happen. He did, however, hold a pistol to her belly during a home invasion, threatening both her and her unborn child.
I looked this up earlier because I'd always heard this, but wasn't sure if it was true. I thought the pistol-whipping happened, but it was one of the other guys with him. He held a pistol to her abdomen while his pals rummaged her spot, although she wasn't pregnant.
Please note also that in order for a ‘blood choke’ to work both sides of the neck need to be compressed. The neck is naturally flexible and you cannot apply enough pressure to only the right-hand side to completely occlude the common carotid. And no, the other side of Floyd’s neck was not subject to compression.
He doesn't need to be choked unconscious by the knee for it to contribute, especially if he's on fent and has heart issues already. Being cuffed behind your back can exacerbate breathing difficulties, too.
With that being said, you can definitely put someone out without completely
compressing both
carotids. It's obviously ideal to target both, which most grappling chokes do, but Monson/north-south, Von Flue, D'Arce, anaconda, and certain variations of guillotines often target only one side of the neck.
Von Preux/Flue is fun to hit when people don't let go of the guillotine. It's sneaky and quick. Von Preux above is good at trapping their "free" arm when he shrugs, which adds a little pressure to the carotid that isn't being compressed.
Regardless, it seems like if their policies were clear on this technique, it'd come down to whether he was negligent or against policy in not recognizing Floyd's distress and getting off his neck:
MPD policy allows light-to-moderate pressure on a subject’s neck only if actively resisting, but Chauvin continued kneeling on Floyd’s neck for over nine minutes, even after Floyd stopped resisting, became unconscious, and had no pulse. This was deemed excessive and against training, which requires moving a prone, handcuffed subject to a recovery position to aid breathing and providing medical aid.
Unless the policy explicitly states that you can put your knee on someone's neck like that forever and subsequently ignore someone losing consciousness, I blame him. His fellow officer's noticed it and suggested they put him on his side to breathe easier and he said no. Seems pretty bad and against policy from what I'm Googling.
Thanks for the info. I always enjoy your posts:
I swear, these dumbasses permanently exist on opposite day.
I was just fucking around and wasn't expecting an isolated gene being found responsible, but this response is hilarious. It's seriously insane how much society coddles black people. It's to the point that AI blames the ubiquitous "socioeconomic factors" for the inability to replace an AA once a year. The next response cited fire safety campaigns not reaching the less-privileged. It's a fucking beeping alarm. That
is the campaign.
They don't even disconnect it or rip it out of the wall or anything. That's what gets me.
