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US imposes visa bans on India travel agents for facilitating illegal migration​




WASHINGTON, May 19 (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department said on Monday that it was imposing visa restrictions on owners and other staff at India-based travel agencies that it says knowingly facilitate illegal migration to the United States.
An unspecified number of unnamed people linked to travel agencies in India were being hit with visa bans under the Immigration and Nationality Act based on information gathered by the U.S. mission to India, department spokesperson Tammy Bruce said in a statement.

Washington often issues visa bans without publishing the names of those targeted.
"We will continue to take steps to impose visa restrictions against owners, executives, and senior officials of travel agencies to cut off alien smuggling networks," Bruce said, without detailing how the travel agents had facilitated illegal migration.
The move comes amid President Donald Trump's broad crackdown on migration to the United States and efforts to deport undocumented immigrants in the country.
The U.S. embassy in New Delhi has repeatedly posted on its social media sites warning for Indian nationals visiting the United States not to overstay their authorized period of stay in the country, warning they will face deportation and a permanent ban from entering the country for doing so.
 

US imposes visa bans on India travel agents for facilitating illegal migration​




WASHINGTON, May 19 (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department said on Monday that it was imposing visa restrictions on owners and other staff at India-based travel agencies that it says knowingly facilitate illegal migration to the United States.
An unspecified number of unnamed people linked to travel agencies in India were being hit with visa bans under the Immigration and Nationality Act based on information gathered by the U.S. mission to India, department spokesperson Tammy Bruce said in a statement.

Washington often issues visa bans without publishing the names of those targeted.
"We will continue to take steps to impose visa restrictions against owners, executives, and senior officials of travel agencies to cut off alien smuggling networks," Bruce said, without detailing how the travel agents had facilitated illegal migration.
The move comes amid President Donald Trump's broad crackdown on migration to the United States and efforts to deport undocumented immigrants in the country.
The U.S. embassy in New Delhi has repeatedly posted on its social media sites warning for Indian nationals visiting the United States not to overstay their authorized period of stay in the country, warning they will face deportation and a permanent ban from entering the country for doing so.
Saaar you need to do the needful
Saaaaar!
 
I feel like I was promised that today would be the apocalypse because America had its credit rating downgraded

Also cute that they waited to do it for trump though they’ve been floating it since Obama

“Wait a fuckin minute, you’re trying to INCREASE revenues!?! But our subreddit says you have to be MAX leveraged if your serious about money!!!”
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How many times has reddit eaten crow over the past 6 months?

 
Probably New Yorkers fleeing COVID restrictions if it's only done it now.
Florida and Texas are the hot spots of the people fleeing California and New York the past 4 years.
About that, people are leaving because of taxes and insurance costs for homes.

US imposes visa bans on India travel agents for facilitating illegal migration​




WASHINGTON, May 19 (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department said on Monday that it was imposing visa restrictions on owners and other staff at India-based travel agencies that it says knowingly facilitate illegal migration to the United States.
An unspecified number of unnamed people linked to travel agencies in India were being hit with visa bans under the Immigration and Nationality Act based on information gathered by the U.S. mission to India, department spokesperson Tammy Bruce said in a statement.

Washington often issues visa bans without publishing the names of those targeted.
"We will continue to take steps to impose visa restrictions against owners, executives, and senior officials of travel agencies to cut off alien smuggling networks," Bruce said, without detailing how the travel agents had facilitated illegal migration.
The move comes amid President Donald Trump's broad crackdown on migration to the United States and efforts to deport undocumented immigrants in the country.
The U.S. embassy in New Delhi has repeatedly posted on its social media sites warning for Indian nationals visiting the United States not to overstay their authorized period of stay in the country, warning they will face deportation and a permanent ban from entering the country for doing so.
But we're still bringing over 100k a year with H1Bs.
 
I thought that you were talking about abolitionism leading to the American civil war, and you probably are still talking about it in a more runabout fashion, but with that in mind, I'd really like to know if you're talking about Irish indentured servitude or if this was something more psychotic of the Democrat party's work. I'd also appreciate your literary source.


I'm talking about the radicalization of slavery supporters.

Evil = The default position of Christendom and the position of the Founding Fathers. Slavery is considered a quagmire they have gotten stuck in (how do you go about dismantling it in the first place, and what are the possible problems it will unleash with the newly freed Blacks), but it is a moral evil in and of itself. The early Founding Fathers vary to extent in how proactive they are (Jefferson, I'd argue is the most), but all are anti-slavery at least in sentiment. The Revolutionary generation rides a high tide of anti-slavery agitation that enacts gradual emancipation in the North and nearly does the same in some Southern colonies.

Necessary Evil = Cotton gin gives slavery (a dying institution) a second wind. Condemnations of slavery on moral grounds are made, but mealy-mouthed ones that argue that the system has to be perpetuated because of economic reasons. The idea of a "peculiar institution" emerges. Theologically, Bartolome de las Casas debate with Sepulveda fails to prevent establishment of the plantation system in the Americas. Slavery begins to rejuvenate and become more brutal as it spreads west into the Mississippi River Valley.

Positive Good = As slavery continues to expand, slavery supporters stop apologizing for it as a necessary evil and start defending it as a good in and of itself; this is around the time of John Calhoun and feeds into the Civil War. Scientific racism begins to really develop to defend slavery. Southerners begin to not only defend the peculiar institution but actually promote it as a superior and more humane form of social organization. This accompanies waves of expansion; I'm not an anti-Texas faggot like most academics today are, but this does overlap with the story of Texas, the Mexican-American War and the filibuster expeditions against Mexico, Nicaragua and Cuba. At this point the South also begins to become a pariah internationally, it sort of isolates itself intellectually in a manner somewhat like South Africa and Rhodesia under apartheid.

Enslavement of Whites = George Fitzhugh, top economist of the Confederacy. Fitzhugh's main focus and his mainstream success is his writing about Blacks, but he openly argues for slavery not on racial grounds, which he dismisses as un-Biblical, but as part of a broader rejection of the American Revolution and its values. Fitzhugh is a rabid reactionary (in the feudal/Medievalist sense) and a self-identified socialist; his political philosophy is often considered proto-fascist these days. Fitzhugh argues that every society is built on a "mudsill" of inferior people, which most White people count as and not all Black people count as, and it is the natural and just order of the world. Furthermore, he argues that wage labor capitalism is exploitative of the poor, whereas slave labor capitalism combines the best of socialism (paternalism) with the efficiency of capitalism: by making people into property, you incentivize their owners to take care of them.

Most significantly, again, Fitzhugh wants to enslave Whites as well as Blacks, because his slavery ideology is not racial in character.

In broader society, the hard Medievalist (which was part of Romanticism as a whole) shift in Southern culture includes prioritizing the memory of Merry England over Greece and Rome (both of which were slave societies, but the point is the increasing comfort with authoritarianism and the identification of slaveowners with a caste of nobility), the revival of pageantry like jousts, profusion of honorary titles, the entire concept of "Southern knights" and "Southern chivalry," the retarded practice of calling Southerners "Southron" (a word cribbed from Sir Walter Scott), and so on. Our Man in Charleston dives (as a side topic to its story about a British diplomatic agent) into how fucking insane the Charlestonians (as the vanguard of Fire Eaters) were getting by this point, including wanting to reopen the Atlantic Slave Trade and possibly colonize Africa and romanticizing the idea of restoring the monarchy.



This is why I compare to abortion. It's an ancient practice that is evil on the very surface of it, but everyone tolerates it out of purest selfishness: I don't want to have to raise that baby. I don't want to have to spend my tax dollars to raise that person's baby. Christendom, and Christendom alone, begins the path to cleaning it up. It never goes away, anymore than murder, prostitution and dealing dope go away, but it begins a very real, long, arduous push against infanticide. In this the Catholics are much more consistent and dedicated than the Protestants.

But at some point we develop safe, reliable ways of aborting babies. It becomes cheap and safe to do so and with women's suffrage and the First and Second Sexual Revolutions you get a cultural climate in which people feel not only that it is permissible but that they are entitled to control their own fertility: fertility is now seen as a private instead of public issue (even though it is, IRL, very much society's business). This leads to relaxing of the laws.

But it doesn't go all the way overnight. First it's evil, then it's necessary evil. Here's twelve pictures that will make you say "fuck having anti-baby-murder laws and shit." It gets its foot in the door with the sort of genuinely morally hard cases, little freaks of nature that will die within days of delivery, twelve year old rape victims, stuff like that. Then they just loosen up. And loosen up more. And more.

At some point, people stop thinking of it as a necessary evil. That little nigger baby isn't a baby, it's a clump of cells. It's a parasite. It's medical waste. A very much organized campaign of demonization takes a specific chunk of the population and normalizes dehumanizing language so it can then normalize violence. It's just a clump of cells, so you can do whatever to it. It lacks some arbitrary feature of anatomy I have, like light skin and Aryan facial features, or a beating heart, or whatever, so you can do whatever to it. It lacks the intellectual capabilities I have, so you can do whatever to it. People suddenly magically stop being people if it is inconvenient to me for them to be people.

Now abortion isn't a necessary evil, it's a positive good. There is no downside, because we have handwaved away the humanity of this little early human we're chopping up, and that leaves only upsides. Abortion is now a panacea for every social problem. Crime? Poverty? Teenage pregnancy? Abortion is a magical elixir that will paper over all of these problems. See how readily Rightists on this website drink it when it's used against people they hate, even though it gets their own kind, too, as collateral damage!

And if it's just good, then why act long-faced about it? It's not just that it's no longer taboo, it's as casual as flossing your teeth. So the radicals start to promote it as something to be proud of, like racial sexual hygiene. You get women (activists) getting abortions repeatedly for show. You get public radio playing audio of abortions on public airwaves on the public dime and calling it beautiful. Abortion becomes a sort of right of passage. You get governors of states calling to allow open infanticide.

And of course, the only people willing to make any kind of organized effort against this - often the only ones who really get the point - is the religious. Because even though it should take no religious argument (although those can be supplied) to oppose something so self-evidently wrong, it seems like a shot of God is necessary inoculation against our own worst natures.

Deep down inside the abortion supporters know that they're part of an evil death cult, and they react to being called out for it about the same as a demon being shown the Cross. They spaz the fuck out. Where once they would have only demonized the abolitionist pro-lifer that speaks out against them, now they react with violence and censorship. They invade their mail and pass gag orders rig up the search engines and run media campaigns to shut their voices out. They lynch them in mobs assault them in the streets. They drag them off to jail on spurious charges. They try to coerce their opponents into participating in, perpetuating, their death factory through the Fugitive Slave Act public funding.

YOU ARE HERE

And then, there's just over the horizon.

That's what I mean.
 
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@Cnidarian

You know what Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness means?

I only understood it very recently. Apparently Happiness meant, to the Age of Enlightenment, something much fuller than we usually mean it now, in its pure hedonic sense. It meant something very much like the Bible's "flourishing," the Greeks' "eudaimonia," the Orthodox's "theosis." A state of genuine, Godlike (Aristotle was a deist) well-being, or perfection, in which a person has met all of their basic needs (physiological, social, a more refined need for aesthetic beauty) but also has meaning in their life and virtue. They are at peace internally, they've achieved an ideal equilibrium in their personality. They've become what God meant for them as a little god in the sense of a being able to reckon with morality and yet responsible and mature enough in it to act rightly.

Pursuit didn't mean chasing after. It meant pursuit in the sense that we say someone has "a pursuit." A hobby, a career. A thing you work towards, continuously. Constant effort and struggle, like gardening a field, to become that person you were meant to be. The Pursuit of Happiness. Presbyterianism has a similar slogan, Burning but Flourishing, that draws on the visual motif of the Burning Bush for the same idea, but with a focus more on the suffering (burning) that purifies us than the toil (pursuit) we put in.

And since a person's actions can carry no moral weight - can MEAN nothing - without choice, you have Liberty. Coerced actions are dead. Only by our decisions do we shape who we are as people. And so Liberty exists to serve the Pursuit of Happiness. This isn't my own philosophizing; I'm very new to this, but there is a body of writing on how ancient Christianity (back to the Orthodox and Catholics) invented the concept as we know it. Edit: It goes back to the Greeks; Christianity is traditionally built off of virtue ethics, not consequentialism, not deontology.

And finally, you can't have Liberty either if you're not drawing breath.

Life to support Liberty to support the Pursuit of Happiness.

Death is a part of the natural world, but unnatural death - the death we inflict on each other - is an evil, because in taking that away it takes everything else with it. People will look back on our times, one day, and be horrified that we ever allowed a thing like this to happen. It is eviler than slavery. The world tried to take Liberty away; now it goes after Life instead.
 
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I'm talking about the radicalization of slavery supporters.

Evil = The default position of Christendom and the position of the Founding Fathers. Slavery is considered a quagmire they have gotten stuck in (how do you go about dismantling it in the first place, and what are the possible problems it will unleash with the newly freed Blacks), but it is a moral evil in and of itself. The early Founding Fathers vary to extent in how proactive they are (Jefferson, I'd argue is the most), but all are anti-slavery at least in sentiment. The Revolutionary generation rides a high tide of anti-slavery agitation that enacts gradual emancipation in the North and nearly does the same in some Southern colonies.

Necessary Evil = Cotton gin gives slavery (a dying institution) a second wind. Condemnations of slavery on moral grounds are made, but mealy-mouthed ones that argue that the system has to be perpetuated because of economic reasons. The idea of a "peculiar institution" emerges. Theologically, Bartolome de las Casas debate with Sepulveda fails to prevent establishment of the plantation system in the Americas. Slavery begins to rejuvenate and become more brutal as it spreads west into the Mississippi River Valley.

Positive Good = As slavery continues to expand, slavery supporters stop apologizing for it as a necessary evil and start defending it as a good in and of itself; this is around the time of John Calhoun and feeds into the Civil War. Scientific racism begins to really develop to defend slavery. Southerners begin to not only defend the peculiar institution but actually promote it as a superior and more humane form of social organization. This accompanies waves of expansion; I'm not an anti-Texas faggot like most academics today are, but this does overlap with the story of Texas, the Mexican-American War and the filibuster expeditions against Mexico, Nicaragua and Cuba. At this point the South also begins to become a pariah internationally, it sort of isolates itself intellectually in a manner somewhat like South Africa and Rhodesia under apartheid.

Enslavement of Whites = George Fitzhugh, top economist of the Confederacy. Fitzhugh's main focus and his mainstream success is his writing about Blacks, but he openly argues for slavery not on racial grounds, which he dismisses as un-Biblical, but as part of a broader rejection of the American Revolution and its values. Fitzhugh is a rabid reactionary (in the feudal/Medievalist sense) and a self-identified socialist; his political philosophy is often considered proto-fascist these days. Fitzhugh argues that every society is built on a "mudsill" of inferior people, which most White people count as and not all Black people count as, and it is the natural and just order of the world. Furthermore, he argues that wage labor capitalism is exploitative of the poor, whereas slave labor capitalism combines the best of socialism (paternalism) with the efficiency of capitalism: by making people into property, you incentivize their owners to take care of them.

Most significantly, again, Fitzhugh wants to enslave Whites as well as Blacks, because his slavery ideology is not racial in character.

In broader society, the hard Medievalist (which was part of Romanticism as a whole) shift in Southern culture includes prioritizing the memory of Merry England over Greece and Rome (both of which were slave societies, but the point is the increasing comfort with authoritarianism and the identification of slaveowners with a caste of nobility), the revival of pageantry like jousts, profusion of honorary titles, the entire concept of "Southern knights" and "Southern chivalry," the retarded practice of calling Southerners "Southron" (a word cribbed from Sir Walter Scott), and so on. Our Man in Charleston dives (as a side topic to its story about a British diplomatic agent) into how fucking insane the Charlestonians (as the vanguard of Fire Eaters) were getting by this point, including wanting to reopen the Atlantic Slave Trade and possibly colonize Africa and romanticizing the idea of restoring the monarchy.

https://mises.org/mises-wire/george-fitzhugh-honest-socialist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Fitzhugh https://harpers.org/2007/07/how-walter-scott-started-the-american-civil-war/
Your analogy is interesting to read. It should be noted though that Fitzhugh was in the minority when it came to his views about a colorblind slave system (his defense of slavery as an institution was popular at the time though) and his ideas were never implemented in practice. The modern pro-abortion crowd will probably get a lot further in their pursuit for power then the enslavers of old did, though they have suffered setbacks in the past couple years.
 
The thread has focused on this very little on this which suggests to me it is an unmistakable L. I like the idea of the gov backing off on things it doesn’t need to control, and we’re all kind of fucked and full of plastic anyway, but most people aren’t living the self-sufficient dream to make up for it yet.
there's little talk about this because ultimately this affects a small number of people

Article | Archive
The EPA estimates that 6-10% of water systems serve water with excess PFAS levels, according to the 2024 regulations, affecting some 100 million people in the U.S.

this paper from earlier in the thread agrees
This review compares PFAS in rainwater to the latest US EPA regulation for the first time. ... The average ΣPFAS and HI for all five studies are below the maximum contamination levels (MCLs) recommended by the EPA. However, rainwater samples collected near local point sources often exceeded the MCLs.
so unless you're in a danger zone, your rainwater and local water systems are more than likely not over the current FDA limit for PFAS compounds. the same as many, many other chemicals

the study also notes this
Legacy PFAS refer specifically to the 8-carbon perfluorooctanesulfonic acid (PFOS), perfluorooctanoic acid (PFOA), and their derivatives. Recently developed PFAS are referred to as emerging PFAS, and consist of thousands of different substances.
Both legacy and emerging PFAS exhibit similar persistence, stability, and avoid environmental degradation. As a result, legacy and emerging PFAS have been found in environments on every continent.
why do we keep creating these horrible compounds that are poisoning every single water source in the entire world?

Per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances (PFAS), known as forever chemicals, are a class of synthetic chemicals manufactured since the 1940s for a variety of industrial applications, including food containers, electronic parts, ski wax, aqueous fire-fighting foam (AFFF), and more.
because we use it in a ton of items that people want to buy and contribute to modern technology and safety. similar to plastics, asbestos, lead, and many others

part of what you're seeing is the natural fatigue the general public has gotten from liberal environmentalist faggots claiming every single environmental concern is the end of the world. when a real big problem comes along nobody is going to believe it because the last 200 things that were going to wipe out humanity never did
 
Your analogy is interesting to read. It should be noted though that Fitzhugh was in the minority when it came to his views about a colorblind slave system (his defense of slavery as an institution was popular at the time though) and his ideas were never implemented in practice. The modern pro-abortion crowd will probably get a lot further in their pursuit for power then the enslavers of old did, though they have suffered setbacks in the past couple years.
Absolutely. In my opinion, I think he's fascinating and frightening because I do think that although he wasn't even close to the majority position of his day, I think he was the majority position of tomorrow, if you get what I mean? There's a clear strand from escalation to escalation. It's stuff that schools don't teach anymore, since half of them outright lie that the Founders were pro-slavery and write out all of the early abolitionism (like Jefferson's banning of the slave trade, or how exactly the North came to be free in the first place). Likewise, there used to be this (wrong) consensus that slavery was on the way out, but it wasn't, it was getting more intense economically and ideologically with time.
 
because we use it in a ton of items that people want to buy and contribute to modern technology and safety. similar to plastics, asbestos, lead, and many others

part of what you're seeing is the natural fatigue the general public has gotten from liberal environmentalist faggots claiming every single environmental concern is the end of the world. when a real big problem comes along nobody is going to believe it because the last 200 things that were going to wipe out humanity never did
The amount of eco sperging is mental in here rn and tells me who was a convert to the republican party. Nigga I want to get to Mars. Acid rain is fake and gay. These chemicals are too.
 
Positive Good = As slavery continues to expand, slavery supporters stop apologizing for it as a necessary evil and start defending it as a good in and of itself; this is around the time of John Calhoun and feeds into the Civil War. Scientific racism begins to really develop to defend slavery. Southerners begin to not only defend the peculiar institution but actually promote it as a superior and more humane form of social organization. This accompanies waves of expansion; I'm not an anti-Texas faggot like most academics today are, but this does overlap with the story of Texas, the Mexican-American War and the filibuster expeditions against Mexico, Nicaragua and Cuba. At this point the South also begins to become a pariah internationally, it sort of isolates itself intellectually in a manner somewhat like South Africa and Rhodesia under apartheid.
Note that this is the position modern liberals take on American companies' exploitation of Chinese slave labor overseas and American farmers' exploitation of illegal alien slave labor domestically.
 
>President Trump signs Take It Down Act, criminalizing deepfake and revenge porn.

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Does this include Deepfake NON PORN? Like making deepfake videos of a president saying that they should bomb detroit or something?

If so, I am okay with the idea behind it, but I don't trust the government to abuse this power.

As AI gets better and better, anything that is on the internet is now subject to a "I never did that, someone used AI to deepfake me". Imagine all those memes of Biden or Hillary having a stroke during a talk or falling down stairs or some shit - they are all now going to be "Fake news! AI deepfakes posted by bad actors".
 
Note that this is the position modern liberals take on American companies' exploitation of Chinese slave labor overseas and American farmers' exploitation of illegal alien slave labor domestically.
If there is any lesson in how everything played it out is that quite a few people don't care that much about slavery as long as they can't see it, it isn't happening in their backyard or that its convenient.
 
Change does take time, and it would be easier if people like you did not insist on simply giving up and letting gigantic chemical companies get away with whatever they want.
the recent change isn't just letting companies dump harmful chemicals wherever they want. PFAS compounds are already regulated by the EPA and they already have a safe exposure limit. this recent change merely lowers the limits to what they were before the Biden administration changed them. i don't see why i should be a doomer about this change when there are already dozens of other cleanup sites in my area for other hazardous chemicals

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The amount of eco sperging is mental in here rn and tells me who was a convert to the republican party. Nigga I want to get to Mars. Acid rain is fake and gay. These chemicals are too.
there are compromises to having an advanced society that produces things and accomplishes things. sometimes we screw up. we have ways of fixing things. eco sperging is always by very anxious people who can't handle change or risks at all and want everything to stay exactly the same forever. which is impossible, unless you do nothing and stagnate
 
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