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This feels like the "good gays" popping out the woodworks only *after* trannies started bringing in the wrong kind of attention
They lost the right to move back to the last safe position because nobody wants to go back to the 50s
 
Ever since Shiloh Hendrix raised nearly one million dollars and "black fatigue" has become an open topic of discussion, I've seen lots of these "we hate niggers, too!" videos pop up by black people very suddenly.

Verdict: it's afraid.
Honestly? Good. Only way to get rid of these fucks is for black people to realize what web duBois and booker t Washington figured out in 1900 with the talented tenth: if your ancestors were selected for farm equipment you arent gonna have a lot to work with.

You could build up to it but it needs a total cultural shift
 
Any good books on this stuff?
Actually, I was rereading the post by @Chuckwagon. For some reason I glossed over it, it was much better than my own ramble. You want stuff about how insane they got, that's where Our Man in Charleston is helpful. It's not ABOUT Fire Eaters, but it's where I got my exposure to some of the crazies. Keep in mind, Charleston was basically the ringleader of this stupid shit, it was always far more rabid than the rest of the South. Broadly speaking, in fact, you get this sort of three-way split in that the whole Deep South seceded before Fort Sumter, the Upper South only seceded after Fort Sumter in response to/anticipation of Lincoln's intention of waging bloody conquest, and the Appalachian portions either went full Unionists or were, at best, extremely disloyal, chaotic shitshows of guerilla warfare (with the Cumberland Plateau, depicted well in the novel Good Rebel Soil, and Missouri being the worst hotbeds of it).

Fitzhugh's own magnum opus was Cannibals, All!, also published as Sociology for the South.

The WPA slave interviews are the best source for the slave perspective in this. Libtards claim it's all tainted by the Blacks being terrified into saying what Whitey wanted to hear; I disagree vehemently with dismissing people's personal testimony like that. Comes down to that slavery was hard and exploitative but you often have a lot of complex feelings for the real human beings that you interact with day after day, and it wasn't an endless parade of pickanniny alligator bait and other such nonsense.

It's got fuck all to do with the conversation we were having, but just because of how annoying I find it that the Confederacy gets minimized on maps and stuff, it's worth reading The Three-Cornered War on Confederate Arizona. Most people have never heard of it, it's never on maps, nobody gives a fuck but New Mexico Territory had its own internal civil war (the split was north-south back then, not west-east) with a giant shitshow of Confederate Texas, Union Colorado, Mexicans on both sides including a big battle between primarily Mexicans that came down to a duel by the Mexican flagbearers of both units, Comanches, Apaches, and Navajo. One of the bitter ironies of it was how the Confederate plan for the Navajo (enslave them) was much more merciful than the Union plan (stick them on a reservation to die of famine).

Literary-wise, if you're unfamiliar with Southern dissent, The Free State of Jones is a masterpiece movie of Jones County, Mississippi's Unionist insurgency. Cold Mountain is, like everything written by Charles Frazier, a deeply nuanced and academic-level understanding of the Old South; it's about a Confederate deserter trying to make his way home to the Appalachian Mountains (has a sort of anthology-like structure with side characters being the point of it). Gone With the Wind is a genuine masterpiece of psychologically-focused writing, and it's a very rich depiction of the master class from someone who was sympathetic to it. Flags on the Bayou annoyed me (among other things, with its magical Negroes), but it digs heavily into the class hatred aspect of the planters vs the crackers. If you didn't know, most anything I say about Appalachians can apply to Cajuns. Cajuns were a totally different ethnic group than the Plantation French in Louisiana; they were people who had settled Nova Scotia (Acadiana) first, were expelled by the British in colonial times and came to settle in Louisiana's bayous as refugees. They never became great plantation-owning people but were fishermen. Big thing with Louisiana French in general was that they weren't real fired up to fight for what was effectively an Anglo-Southern nationalist movement - they didn't really identify with "Dixie" as a concept, although it ironically came from their language - and for the Cajun yeomanry that went double so. They basically just rolled over and played dead when the Union invaded, put up no resistance, did not give a fuck, did not aid or abet them either. Louisiana and Tennessee were both allowed to vote in 1864.

Outside of stuff I've actually read (have backlogged), I know that The Fall of the House of Dixie is supposed to be a deep study of the planter class from a mostly negative perspective, The Mind of the Master Class from a much more old-fashioned and evenhanded one.

One thing that really stood out to me was, one day, I get to thinking: Dixie itself is a product of the period. That word wasn't in the English language before the 1800s. It's not intentionally contrived like "Southron," but it's one of those expressions that is pretty truly tied directly to King Cotton. On that whole theme of Jefferson, it's something I've brooded over a lot. I used to be a Neo-Confederate back in high school and most of college and the habit died real hard even on into graduate school. But at some point I came to an understanding that not only was the CSA wrong (because it was not the limited government tax revolt that libertarian ideologues had bullshitted me into believing it was), but it was, in substance, the antithesis of everything Jefferson stood for. And the sad irony is that many of its own people didn't realize that in the moment.

That kind of four step process I described, evil-necessary evil-positive good-Fire Eater insanity? You could find people in the South pretty much in agreement with any of the last three. Evil, too, there were people like the Grimke Sisters, German immigrants in Texas and North Carolina and various free thinkers here and there. What it's come down to is that society's understanding of what the Confederacy was about has sort of shifted around. For much of the 20th Century we thought it was the Necessary Evil stage, and that was what was still taught, more or less, in my region when I grew up. Then there came to be this libshit insanity where they both "Nazify" the Confederacy and try to conflate it with the Founding Fathers, basically demonize slavery first and then use that as a rhetorical cudgel against the country as a whole.

Thing is, the average person was somewhere between necessary evil (especially in the Mountains) and positive good. But the Fire Eaters, even when they weren't running the show they had sort of hijacked the society in the same manner that these lunatics we have today have hijacked society. They were in the driving seat headed for a cliff. That's all Dixie was. Founding Fathers identified with their state, or with the Union. "The South" had yet to develop a national consciousness, really. You can tell stories all day, as I do, about ethnic origins and distinctive cultural features and what not, but nobody in those days thought that way, they weren't aware of it. Early on, maybe a different course of history would have changed it. I certainly think that if Appalachia had been part of free states peopled with Midwesterners we'd maybe think that - even with the churches and accents and all being the same - that Appalachians are Northern. But the idea of a South as something a personal might die over, or describe as a home, just didn't mean anything until King Cotton, and ever since then it's been slowly dying out. I've come to a point where I finally think that might just be good. Despite the New England-centric popular memory of the Revolution, the early republic was Virginia's baby (there's a book on that theme, although a little weak and filled with Confederate apologia, called Virginia First: The 1607 Project) and in a way the South is "becoming America" again, from the music of the 20th Century to the rise of Atlanta and Dallas as insane metropolises to the industry to legacies like the Manhattan Project (Oak Ridge) and Apollo Program (Huntsville).

In all that sense, it's for the best there is no Dixie. And as much as I like Jefferson, I think that in some regards I may lean more to Henry Clay now, who was a Kentuckian and, like fellow Kentuckian and his protege Lincoln, felt strongly about avoiding sectional factions. Chuckwagon referred to the leadership being batshit crazy compared to Davis. Same is true of Lincoln and the Republicans, the hardcore ones were much more vindictive, nasty and corrupt than Lincoln was. Lincoln isn't really a Yankee at all, but he had attached himself to a horrible little party.

There's a passage I'll send to you all. I don't want to post it here. But it comes from an old school Southern Democrat, 20th Century, and I found it beautifully captured my own thinking about the War in rich prose.


Edit: A Disease in the Public Mind for the batshit crazy in both sides; it’s weighted towards bitching about abolitionist crazies.
 
I apologize in advance for sniffing my own ass, but this is what term happiness always meant to me, I knew from a very young age the difference between happiness and pleasure, and I learned the hard way that they weren't always correlated... there were some moments I was in pure tears but I felt that greater sense of being and purity because I knew I had done the right thing, or it felt "real" or came at a time when i was just generally well calibrated. And of course the inverse is true, if you're in a bad mindset pleasure feels like coal. I'm not sure why this came to me so early, I'll chalk it up to being raised right and having a really good childhood with great parents who guided me properly.

I was in 12th grade before I realized that a lot of people don't care about that and only care about surface level pleasures. It was really disturbing the first time I had a conversation with a close friend and realized this about him. But it made a lot of things make sense.
I mostly strive for contentment most times, but actual happiness is derived from selfless service to your fellow man - it can take the form of helping out a neighbor when they're working on their car, being ready and able with first aid shit when someone injured themselves, offering friendship to a stranger that's feeling low or other such things, but making your community a little better off by being an active part of it is the general theme.

Pleasure is fleeting. Contentment in your own life and skin is the normal to strive for. Happiness for me at least is being there to help - the times I could contribute to building something better around me even just one "thanks" at a time is what I look back on when I think about when I was most "happy".
 
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I mostly strive for contentment most times, but actual happiness is derived from selfless service to your fellow man - it can take the form of helping out a neighbor when they're working on their car, being ready and able with first aid shit when someone injured themselves, offering friendship to a stranger that's feeling low or other such things, but making your community a little better off by being an active part of it is the general theme.

Pleasure is fleeting. Contentment in your own life and skin is the normal to strive for. Happiness for me at least is being there to help - the times I could contribute to building something better around me even just one "thanks" at a time is what I look back on when I think about when I think about when I was most "happy".
Nothing is more contentment or higher level of quality of life than a mutual sex orgasm with someone you love in this world. It's also one of the most elusive and passing things. It's so damn simple too, but so far for many. It's kinda sad how rare it is now and I think that's driven a lot of people to drugs. Also it's completely impossible to have with any online or distant relationship which is becoming the norm now.

Porn is a substitute for that for many guys, cause guess what, tons of women do not want to have anything to do with under 8+ chads and that's a fact.
 
Previous post is such epic autism, yeah I didn't read the wall of text but skimmed it. Love it

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It's 1840s-1860s intellectual musing and some nice book recommendations. The CSA ("Dixie", "the South) and the men who fought for it are products of a different world and we live in the consequences of the war to this day even if the South becomes increasingly unrecognizable to that point but perhaps that was only a matter of time (and endless immigration).

The morality of slavery can be argued over until the cows come home but the fact of the matter is that today Confederates and their monuments are body blocking for the Founding Fathers and the Revolutionary War generation. Should they be ostracized out of existence for being evil boogeymen you know where the next battle over the country's history is going to be.
 
It's 1840s-1860s intellectual musing and some nice book recommendations. The CSA ("Dixie", "the South) and the men who fought for it are products of a different world and we live in the consequences of the war to this day even if the South becomes increasingly unrecognizable to that point but perhaps that was only a matter of time (and endless immigration).
I'd say WW1/2 did more to kill off the good men in general, but yeah the US never fully recovered from the civil war either. Back then women wouldn't think of just running off for the next guy with a bigger paycheck or bigger dick. Now it's the norm, and has been since. I'm not going to totally blame women for what we are in, but it's a total disaster of lack of faith, morality, and decency. And add to that the drugs and it's where we are.

Porn started as soon as pictures did. Paintings of nudes were also considered risque. The fascists put leaves over the statue of David's dick on display. Prudishness is often a result of abuses, and it goes back and forth which is why I say humans need to find some middle ground which in general is impossible I guess.

I *think* we're on a bit of an upswing for now, that wokeness and so on is in decline. But we're also seeing that an opposite reaction of kiwis being anti-porn so hard now will be the backlash against that extreme so in the end it's a constant cycle.
 
Previous post is such epic autism, yeah I didn't read the wall of text but skimmed it. Love it

Not a scathing rebuke but reminds me of, especially this subject

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There are losers out there with even sadder lives and worse autism that will read it. It's a scary thought, but I shit you not.
 
Being pro-abortion, is being pro-death,
dude framing

pregnacies can be messey risky or both, ideally you and your doctor should be free to make the hard choices with out the goverment interving

Most people dont agree with abortion as a form of population control.

The right was quited with bill clintons safe legal and rare shit.

Then at some point people started shitting on that and got in your face about it. I assume for the shock value.
 
A Disease in the Public Mind for the batshit crazy in both sides; it’s weighted towards bitching about abolitionist crazies.

I have this book and still need to read it. I bought it so long ago I can't remember who recommended it but it was probably you in a different thread lmao. The oldest book I own was printed in 1920, called "Roaming Through the West Indies" by Harry A. Franck. The guy has a whole series of him travelling around the world right after WWI. Obviously the book is about travelling the Caribbean but to get there he goes to Savannah, Georgia and includes some of his thoughts on the South as a Yankee. He very succinctly lays out the theory that the Confederacy would have degenerated into "an American Balkans".

After all, if you set a precedent that a state can secede, then try to make a country of these seceded states, what to stop a few states from doing it again? Say Texas decides to leave the old south, would the Confederacy have any moral ground to stand on denying them? Or maybe a state decides to rejoin the Union, that's just secession from the Confederacy right?

It made me re-think a lot and realize that the Confederacy probably wouldn't have worked out and yes, it probably would have degenerated into the American Balkans. However, that's not going to stop me from sleeping below the Stars and Bars, it won't erase the tug at my heartstrings when I hear "Dixieland" or "Southern Solider", and it definitely will not erase the fact that one of my ancestors was captured and died in a prison camp run by the United States Federal Government.
 
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I have this book and still need to read it. I bought it so long ago I can't remember who recommended it but it was probably you in a different thread lmao. The oldest book I own was printed in 1920, called "Roaming Through the West Indies" by Harry A. Franck. The guy has a whole series of him travelling around the world right after WWI. Obviously the book is about travelling the Caribbean but to get there he goes to Savannah, Georgia and includes some of his thoughts on the South as a Yankee. He very succinctly lays out the theory that the Confederacy would have degenerated into "an American Balkans".

After all, if you set a precedent that a state can secede, then try to make a country of these seceded states, what to stop a few states from doing it again? Say Texas decides to leave the old south, would the Confederacy have any moral ground to stand on denying them? Or maybe a state decides to rejoin the Union, that's just secession from the Confederacy right?

It made me re-think a lot and realize that the Confederacy probably wouldn't have worked out and yes, it probably would have degenerated into the American Balkans. However, that's not going to stop me from sleeping below the Stars and Bars, it won't erase the tug at my heartstrings when I hear "Dixieland" or "Southern Solider", and it definitely will not erase the fact that one of my ancestors was captured and died in a prison camp run by the United States Federal Government.
The Confeds couldn't have done well on their own. They had a good states cause, but slavery was doomed as a cause too and when it comes down to it, that's what it was about. You couldn't have 20th century nigger slaves period. The USSR also had in their constitution that all the 'republics' were autonomous and willing participants due to communism being an obvious superior point of view that nobody would ever ever break up with the mighty USSR that solved all problems forever.

Things flux a lot, the USA's system has worked fairly well and long term. If Lee had won the Civil War, which he kinda coulda done without bad generals (reminds me of another 40's era guy) would it still be plausible? Probably no.
 
There are losers out there with even sadder lives and worse autism that will read it. It's a scary thought, but I shit you not.
You gotta at least have the decency to @ me if you're going to call me out here. :story:
PFAS is even in your dental floss btw, something has to be done about it.
This reminds me of a classic autism that always got stuck in my brain like a splinter, a classic old type granola and health liberal "Huh?" That always go to me was their constant bitching about the plastics and containers and linings in cans and not a peep about trying to re-popularize the perfect material to safely store food that doesn't stain or leech.

It's called glass, and it's borderline infinitely recyclable. You melt glass? You get glass. You melt plastic? You get toxic fumes and other byproducts and separation and some plastic back and it's a pain in the ass to recycle by comparison.

It really gets in my craw that there isn't more glass advocacy for food packaging and storage. But I guess it's also logically fallen to the wayside due to the fragility, weight and the fact everyone can't be fucked to even place glass in a pick up basket or return program to benefit. It's just a hippie dippie sustainability and food and body concious thing you'd think they'd resonate with that never seems to come up.
 
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It really gets in my craw that there isn't more glass advocacy for food packaging and storage. But I guess it's also logically fallen to the wayside due to the fragility, weight and the fact everyone can't be fucked to even place glass in a pick up basket or return program to benefit. It's just a hippie dippie sustainability and food and body concious thing you'd think they'd resonate with that never seems to come up.
Glass would be good for bottles and so on, but a lot of plastics are polymers that just can't be rigid. Every chip package liner is make of petroleum plastics that are thin, light and flexible.

Bottles ok, but can you see a lunchable box or most packaging made of hard glass? Plastics are just too cheap, too easy, and too flexible to replace. You have to think of all polymers, glass and ceramic combos are doing great things like phone screens, but it's still not plausible to use silica glass on most things yet.
 
Glass would be good for bottles and so on, but a lot of plastics are polymers that just can't be rigid. Every chip package liner is make of petroleum plastics that are thin, light and flexible.

Bottles ok, but can you see a lunchable box or most packaging made of hard glass? Plastics are just too cheap, too easy, and too flexible to replace. You have to think of all polymers, glass and ceramic combos are doing great things like phone screens, but it's still not plausible to use silica glass on most things yet.
Yeah not for everything, but meal prep boxes, jars in lieu of cans for some things, re-introduction of them for more drinks. Etc.
I know the limitations it's more an internalized confusion and annoyance that it's a thing that is already here, exists and checks a lot of boxes and it's not even considered on the table.
 
That nigger is an utter retard. I checked out his podcast series and it was just several episodes of him LARPing as some kind of Assata Shakur-level nigger revolutionary and whining about how he wants to destroy the Supreme Court because they don't tongue his taint hard enough for his liking.

What a stupid faggot.

"I'ma finna do a globll cracka holocaust, soon as that fool white bitch git here wid dat dam sammich."
 
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lol this autistic family-abusing degenerate junkie is gonna wind up back in prison soon. And it'll be everyone's fault but his, of course. He should meet up w/Rekieta. They'd be fast friends, especially if Austin was willing to share his dealer contacts.
 
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