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Should be a wild four years.

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Also, regarding recycling, the majority of plastic thrown into recycling bins is "exported for recycle," meaning it's loaded up onto giant barges and sent to 3rd-world countries, where it's dumped out on the beach so garbage-pickers can find the tiny bit that actually has value. The rest just gets washed out to sea.
 
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World Famous Quasi Payer said:
An invasion of South Africa would only turn out like Afghanistan because we have too many bleeding hearts, and grifters. Who are more concerned about educating savages, and ripping off the taxpayer than winning any war. No war, no more dead America White Men.
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A war in Afghanistan was inherently unwinnable from the start. Nobody has ever successfully invaded Afghanistan.

A war against South Africa would be winnable. It's a poor, shithole country, on the verge of collapse, with a shitty military. South African leadership would fold within five minutes.

Whether we'd want to win a war against South Africa is a different story entirely
 
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John Badman said:
It’s not despite how many times you believe it. Even if they don’t have the same rights as citizens they still have basic legal protections. The only difference is they can’t vote, own guns, or have a federal job.

You’re retarded and brown. The flip side of a coin made out of shit. Upholding the freedom of speech is now “genocide”.
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Okay, looks like I’m going to have to educate you. Sit down sport.

As per the Supreme Court U.S. ex rel. Knauff v. Shaughnessy, 338 U.S. 537

a) The admission of aliens to this country is not a right, but a privilege, which is granted only upon such terms as the United States prescribes. P. 338 U. S. 542.


(b) The Act of June 21, 1941, did not unconstitutionally delegate legislative power to prescribe the conditions under which aliens should be excluded. Pp. 338 U. S. 542-543.


(c) It is not within the province of any court, unless expressly authorized by law, to review the determination of the political branch of Government to exclude a given alien.
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Translation: visa holders do not have the same free speech citizens do. The person in this case had their visa status revoked for being pro communist.

The case law is very clear. You only get the full first amendment rights after you’re legally made a resident but not while you’re under a visa
 
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LiquidKid said:
Okay, looks like I’m going to have to educate you. Sit down sport.

As per the Supreme Court U.S. ex rel. Knauff v. Shaughnessy, 338 U.S. 537



Translation: visa holders do not have the same free speech citizens do. The person in this case had their visa status revoked for being pro communist.

The case law is very clear. You only get the full first amendment rights after you’re legally made a resident but not while you’re under a visa
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That says nothing about depriving basic rights such as speech to aliens. They were revoked because of communist affiliation not their op-ed saying bombing babies is wrong.
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Since when did the the Democrats follow the constitution? If they can wipe their ass with it to take away my rights the I can wipe my ass with it to take away theirs.

You cucks just don't want people resisting you.
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Bold of you to call me the cuck when you’re the one with a persecution complex who can’t even describe what rights were withheld from you.
 
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John Badman said:
Legal principles are now meaningless statements! The constitution states that no one can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
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Correct, but just saying "due process" is meaningless without identifying what process is actually due.

The issue is that the actual process due here was something that takes minutes, and was followed. And "suspending habeas corpus" means that that the due process changes from giving you court time to not giving you court time. That's why "due process" on its own is meaningless, all it means is you "followed the law stating what process was due"

For example, in immigration cases there's expedited removal, in which you only have limited "habeas corpus" rights.
 
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John Badman said:
That says nothing about depriving basic rights such as speech to aliens. They were revoked because of communist affiliation not their op-ed saying bombing babies is wrong.
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Except for the fact that it literally states that visa holders do not have free speech and their visa status can be revoked for any reason the government chooses.
Legal aliens have full free speech, visa holders do not. Believe it or not, the two are legally distinct classifications of people.
 
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John Badman said:
That’s not at all what it is. It’s the right to due process. Due process means a defendant should have the right of notice and to acquire legal resources for representation in court. Removing Habeas Corpus means running kangaroo courts. No habeas corpus means you can be tried and punished before a jury you never even encountered.
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I dont think it does what you think it does
 
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John Badman said:
It’s not despite how many times you believe it. Even if they don’t have the same rights as citizens they still have basic legal protections. The only difference is they can’t vote, own guns, or have a federal job.
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Under what law are you invoking protections for VISA holders? Bouarfa v. Mayorka ruled the executive branch can cancel VISAs at anytime.
 
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John Badman said:
Legal principles are now meaningless statements! The constitution states that no one can be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.
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They got due process though. The due process for illegal immigrants as voted on by duly elected officials voted in by the people, signed into law by the President, and upheld by a court several times, states that the only due process illegal immigrants are owed is that ICE does their investigation and if they conclude you are illegal, they can deport you. All at the discretion of USCBP and they have final say in all manners of deportation regardless of what anyone else says.
 
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World Famous Quasi Payer said:
Alexander the great did it, and the Persians before him. Not to mention the mudslimes who did it after him. Plenty of people have invaded that part of the world and won.
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That's three groups of people, none of whom held it. Persians never held it, Macedonians never held it after Alexander the Great died and the Arabs never held it, although the Islamic ideology has persisted.

And shit has changed since 300 BC. No modern nation has held Afghanistan, invading Afghanistan is usually the death rattle for any empire.
 
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