The NFL Thread

[Absolutego]

The similarities and differences between Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll, both 73 year old coaches, over the last few years has been fascinating.

• Both stopped coaching their team after the 2023 season. Pete had two mediocre 9-8 seasons after a 7-10 campaign in 2021. Bill had a disastrous 4-13 2023 after a few mediocre seasons with a random wildcard appearance. But Pete got "promoted upstairs" to a ceremonial position in 2024 before making his exit and left with ownership and the community singing his praises. Bill got outright fired and Kraft threw him under the bus, immediately trying to take credit for the whole dynasty (or at least limit it to him and Brady).
• Both are nepotistic about bringing their sons onto their coaching staff. Bill gets a lot of attention for this. Pete not so much outside of hardcore Seahawks circles. I blame Pete never making a hiring decision as baffling and obviously dumb as making Matt Patricia (defensive guy) an offensive coordinator.
• Both have bizarrely poor coaching trees. Bill O'Brien and, by extension, Vrabel, are the only ones in Bill's tree to see any kind of success. Pete hardly has a coaching tree at all outside of Gus Bradley (ew) and Dan Quinn (previously ew, now he seems to be what the not-Redskins needed). Dave Canales might turn this in Pete's favor if he makes things work in Carolina.
• But Pete is still happily married to the mother of his children and coaching on a new NFL team, while Bill's twice-divorced (ok he never married the second woman but they were together for like 15 years or someshit) and now runs a college program amid strange behavior leading people to speculate that he's a victim of elder abuse.

Bill's got the rings and will go down as one of the best coaches in league history, but if I had to actually live the life of one of them, I'd choose Pete. He's still probably going to make the Hall of Fame when all is said and done.

 

[Trombonista]

Today's the birthday of the current MVP, Josh Allen!

 

[break these cuffs]

Proposal to ban tush push in NFL fails by two votes, sources say. I am genuinely shocked. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion when it was first proposed even if it took some time to get enough owners on board. Word was Goodell didn't like it and I assumed 29 owners, and one cuck in Green Bay, would be behind it because it only hurt 2 teams.

I think the only thing that might surprise me more this season is if Dem Boys win a playoff game and we aren't even at training camp yet.

 

[Xavier Renegade Angel]

Proposal to ban tush push in NFL fails by two votes, sources say. I am genuinely shocked. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion when it was first proposed even if it took some time to get enough owners on board. Word was Goodell didn't like it and I assumed 29 owners, and one cuck in Green Bay, would be behind it because it only hurt 2 teams.

I think the only thing that might surprise me more this season is if Dem Boys win a playoff game and we aren't even at training camp yet.

The falcons not letting the rams get a top 10 pick would be my surprise. Knew I should have been a steelers fan

 

[Americunt]

Proposal to ban tush push in NFL fails by two votes, sources say. I am genuinely shocked. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion when it was first proposed even if it took some time to get enough owners on board. Word was Goodell didn't like it and I assumed 29 owners, and one cuck in Green Bay, would be behind it because it only hurt 2 teams.

I think the only thing that might surprise me more this season is if Dem Boys win a playoff game and we aren't even at training camp yet.

Genuinely don't get the hate from the league itself. Other teams being salty I understand perfectly, but it's a play that actually gives a team identity and is notable enough to even have normies talking about the game in some way. No solid injury data to report, so what's the problem? Philly's a relatively large market team, that's been on a hot streak the past 5 years and has insanely marketable players like Saquon, DeJean, hell even Kelce's a big ambassador for the brand in retirement, so what gives?

I know as a philly sports fan there's a perception that everyone has it out for us, but even I usually just handwave that because on it's face it's ridiculous, the Sixers and Flyers just suck, nobody is responsible for their franchises' failures but ownership, and the Phillies and Eagles are at least perrenial contentenders. And yet it seems like the Eagles singularly get the most shit, from the media, the refs, and now the league I guess in trying to ban a play that they perceive as some lynchpin to our unearned success (It's not, even if it did get banned, having 2 stud wideouts, Saquon, and a lights out defense is the secret sauce).

 

[KEKMUHLORD]

Colts owner Jim Irsay died this afternoon.

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

The similarities and differences between Bill Belichick and Pete Carroll, both 73 year old coaches, over the last few years has been fascinating.

• Both stopped coaching their team after the 2023 season. Pete had two mediocre 9-8 seasons after a 7-10 campaign in 2021. Bill had a disastrous 4-13 2023 after a few mediocre seasons with a random wildcard appearance. But Pete got "promoted upstairs" to a ceremonial position in 2024 before making his exit and left with ownership and the community singing his praises. Bill got outright fired and Kraft threw him under the bus, immediately trying to take credit for the whole dynasty (or at least limit it to him and Brady).
• Both are nepotistic about bringing their sons onto their coaching staff. Bill gets a lot of attention for this. Pete not so much outside of hardcore Seahawks circles. I blame Pete never making a hiring decision as baffling and obviously dumb as making Matt Patricia (defensive guy) an offensive coordinator.
• Both have bizarrely poor coaching trees. Bill O'Brien and, by extension, Vrabel, are the only ones in Bill's tree to see any kind of success. Pete hardly has a coaching tree at all outside of Gus Bradley (ew) and Dan Quinn (previously ew, now he seems to be what the not-Redskins needed). Dave Canales might turn this in Pete's favor if he makes things work in Carolina.
• But Pete is still happily married to the mother of his children and coaching on a new NFL team, while Bill's twice-divorced (ok he never married the second woman but they were together for like 15 years or someshit) and now runs a college program amid strange behavior leading people to speculate that he's a victim of elder abuse.

Bill's got the rings and will go down as one of the best coaches in league history, but if I had to actually live the life of one of them, I'd choose Pete. He's still probably going to make the Hall of Fame when all is said and done.

Has there been anyone other than Gronkowski from the Patriots dynasty that made it out unscathed? It is like there was faustian bargain made for that team to dominate for nearly twenty years. All of them now have to suffer by having their personal lives fall into ruin.

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Colts owner Jim Irsay died this afternoon.

Somewhat shocking considering his age, but also not shocking considering what has come out about his substance abuse issues over the last few years. I guess this was bound to happen sooner than later.

Maybe now the Colts will have a chance to be a successful franchise again.

 

[Trombonista]

 

[Absolutego]

Has there been anyone other than Gronkowski from the Patriots dynasty that made it out unscathed? It is like there was faustian bargain made for that team to dominate for nearly twenty years. All of them now have to suffer by having their personal lives fall into ruin.

Towards the end? Edelman's doing all right. If we're including the entire list of stars on that team during that era there's more who came out unscathed than not.

Somewhat shocking considering his age, but also not shocking considering what has come out about his substance abuse issues over the last few years. I guess this was bound to happen sooner than later.

Maybe now the Colts will have a chance to be a successful franchise again.

Lifetime hobby of booze and pills = 65 year old man with the liver/kidneys of an 85 year old, and the booger sugar probably didn't help his heart too much.
And really, you can dog on him for the Colts' recent permanent mediocrity, but he got that franchise their only ring after 30 years in the wilderness post-Unitas and they would've had at least three more Super Bowl appearances if it weren't for the referenced hell trio in Foxborough.

 

[break these cuffs]

Genuinely don't get the hate from the league itself. Other teams being salty I understand perfectly, but it's a play that actually gives a team identity and is notable enough to even have normies talking about the game in some way. No solid injury data to report, so what's the problem? Philly's a relatively large market team, that's been on a hot streak the past 5 years and has insanely marketable players like Saquon, DeJean, hell even Kelce's a big ambassador for the brand in retirement, so what gives?

I know as a philly sports fan there's a perception that everyone has it out for us, but even I usually just handwave that because on it's face it's ridiculous, the Sixers and Flyers just suck, nobody is responsible for their franchises' failures but ownership, and the Phillies and Eagles are at least perrenial contentenders. And yet it seems like the Eagles singularly get the most shit, from the media, the refs, and now the league I guess in trying to ban a play that they perceive as some lynchpin to our unearned success (It's not, even if it did get banned, having 2 stud wideouts, Saquon, and a lights out defense is the secret sauce).

While the word from many sources was that Goodell didn't like it, his job is to be the $60M face of the league. He's there for the MSM to prop up so fans don't go after owners more than they already do. It's not like he gets a vote on rule changes. He's not on the Health and Safety Committee. He's not on the Competition Committee. Roge certainly holds some sway in those meetings as he's guided the NFL to the profits and expansion the owners dreamed of, but they'd tell him to fuck right off if they were firmly against him. Much like GB President Mark Murphy, Goodell isn't in the billionaires club.

Many sources pointed to professional jealousy. Adam Caplan is a Philly insider, but he's also covered the entire league for decades. He's the one I've heard say the most talk about what went on behind scenes. Supposedly Goodell and some old heads around the league office and front offices hated it for aesthetics or whatever reason, but it gained momentum out of jealousy.

The ban was proposed for the 2023 league meetings, but didn't even get considered by the competition committee. Suddenly there is widespread support after Philly wins a Super Bowl. Adam spoke to coaches, he's never specified head or position, that said there were quite a lot of people upset about the play. They didn't like that the Eagles were the only ones who did it successfully. They didn't like that the team had a reputation for being a tough hardnose team and the tush push represented that. They didn't like how Nick conducted himself. They didn't like Howie Season.

There was a sentiment around the league from some that Philly needed to get taken down a peg. Now this fits pretty perfectly with the persecution complex of Philly fans, but there are other insiders who've made comments regarding jealousy who didn't go as far as Caplan. The campaign for a ban boils down the teams being able to take a shot at the king without risking anything for their own team. Supposedly now there is a sentiment that some teams are going to run it to prove that someone other than the Eagles can run it.

I mean shit, the rule changes they made in the late 70s to stop the Steel Curtain fundamentally altered the game and allowed it to become what it is today.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

I'm not an Eagles fan, but I have one piece of advice for every team that voted to try and ban the Tush Push - Git Gud

If it was truly an "Unfair, Unstoppable play", more teams than the Eagles would be effective at running it. Hell, the Jags can stop it somewhat consistently, and they're a borderline lolcow franchise. There's no Injury data related to the play, so that angles also dead in the water. Just accept that the Eagles have built their team for this play and do some defensive scheming to figure out how to stop it. Or argue that Defense's should also be allowed to Push, that rule change would probably do more to stop the Push than actually banning the play...

 

[CapricornusRex]

Towards the end? Edelman's doing all right. If we're including the entire list of stars on that team during that era there's more who came out unscathed than not.


Lifetime hobby of booze and pills = 65 year old man with the liver/kidneys of an 85 year old, and the booger sugar probably didn't help his heart too much.
And really, you can dog on him for the Colts' recent permanent mediocrity, but he got that franchise their only ring after 30 years in the wilderness post-Unitas and they would've had at least three more Super Bowl appearances if it weren't for the referenced hell trio in Foxborough.

And the only reason he got that ring is because Irsay was on the rules committee and had the fucking rules changed because his WR couldn't handle the NE defense. If you can't beat it, ban it!

 

[Trombonista]

Today is Aaron Donald's birthday!

 

[LordofCringe7206 Vol. 2]

I'm not an Eagles fan, but I have one piece of advice for every team that voted to try and ban the Tush Push - Git Gud

If it was truly an "Unfair, Unstoppable play", more teams than the Eagles would be effective at running it. Hell, the Jags can stop it somewhat consistently, and they're a borderline lolcow franchise. There's no Injury data related to the play, so that angles also dead in the water. Just accept that the Eagles have built their team for this play and do some defensive scheming to figure out how to stop it. Or argue that Defense's should also be allowed to Push, that rule change would probably do more to stop the Push than actually banning the play...

I feel the only reason more teams aren't running the Tush Push is out of fear for their QB getting injured. Most QBs probably aren't going to volunteer to plow head first into a bunch of 300 plus pound guys, most of whom are all going to be falling on top of his neck and back. Just because an injury hasn't occurred yet doesn't mean the play isn't dangerous in practice. Hurts and the Eagles have obviously thrown all caution into the wind regarding Hurts safety. That doesn't mean other teams want to follow suite.

The only reason I feel teams have yet to pass the ban on the play is because deep down they know it isn't the main catalyst for the Eagles recent success, and number two is because they know it is a gimmick play that will fade overtime. A poster on another website a few months ago actually highlighted data that showed the Eagles with each passing year since inventing the play have had less and less success running it despite the perception saying otherwise. The owners likely realize this and don't care about banning the play since it likely will go away at some point in the next few years.

Considering how close they came to banning it this year however, if the Eagles do have repeat success next season the owners may finally decide to ban it just as a fuck you to the organization.

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

One thing to think about is that a significant portion of the plays the Eagles convert with the Brotherly Shove would convert anyway as a traditional sneak. That's exactly what they would do instead next year if it was banned. So, then at some point something they do will amount to too much pushing from behind and they will get a penalty for doing a tush push and have a TD overturned. Sounds like justice, right? But the reality is, this wouldn't happen to the Eagles who are lucky and smart, it would happen to the Detroit Lions in a playoff game against the Eagles because they are unlucky and not as smart.

 

[DSP's Tax Lawyer]

I'm not an Eagles fan, but I have one piece of advice for every team that voted to try and ban the Tush Push - Git Gud

If it was truly an "Unfair, Unstoppable play", more teams than the Eagles would be effective at running it. Hell, the Jags can stop it somewhat consistently, and they're a borderline lolcow franchise. There's no Injury data related to the play, so that angles also dead in the water. Just accept that the Eagles have built their team for this play and do some defensive scheming to figure out how to stop it. Or argue that Defense's should also be allowed to Push, that rule change would probably do more to stop the Push than actually banning the play...

Back in 2013, the NFL banned defensive teams from pushing players through the line of scrimmage for punts and field goals. Unless you want to unban this rule, I think the tush push should be banned as well. Offense and defense should be playing by the same rules

 

[Hunter Hearst Helmsley]

Agreed. Ban the B.S. from punt and field goal formations.

 

[Americunt]

Just because an injury hasn't occurred yet doesn't mean the play isn't dangerous in practice. Hurts and the Eagles have obviously thrown all caution into the wind regarding Hurts safety

Total speculation, but I think the play's success has more to do with Hurts being constantly zonked out on painkillers than it does his ability to squat 600lbs. IMO he clearly plays through a lot of unreported injuries often throughout the regular season, look at his SC Postgame after the TNF game against Washington, completely out of it and wearing pitch black shades at 11:00 at night, or the on the field interview after the Rams Divisional game where he's barely coherent and getting distracted by the snow. Even outside gamedays his speech is so slurred and stilted, that is beyond just keeping up his image as a 70s Superfly style black guy. Compare his post-games when he was at Alabama to any media he does nowadays and it's clear he's either had quite a few concussions nobody knows about, or is getting fed pills by the Eagles Medical Team, maybe both.

I guarantee it will come out in a few years how dinged up he really was when he was playing for us, and might be a bit of a controversey for Philly and the league. I hope it's not too much to really impact his life after retirement, but I feel like he's Tua-tier when it comes to injuries and they just get brushed under the rug.

 

[Leaf Wage Slave Jr]

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Back in 2013, the NFL banned defensive teams from pushing players through the line of scrimmage for punts and field goals. Unless you want to unban this rule, I think the tush push should be banned as well. Offense and defense should be playing by the same rules

That rule change is probably what helped lead to the creation of the Tush Push. I'd take an even playing ground over banning a play because only one team can actually pull it off consistently.

This is probably all moot anyway, because if the Eagles have any success with the Tush Push next season its probably being banned out of sheer spite.

 

[Johnny Apple Sneed]

I just hope my boy goes OFF this year. GO Bucs