What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

[The Ugly One]

2) Crop circles. Crop circles are a real, proven, phenomena that nobody has been able to replicate, or explain.

This mystery was solved 30 years ago. People just don't like believing in boring things.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

[this is just about the crop circle part] I understand the crop circles being too smooth and complex for the prank explanation, but just like UFOs, the answer is more likely secret aircraft experiments than anything extraterrestrial, and just like UFO FUD, designed to baffle people with bullshit.
The above sentence does not preclude life on other planets existing, nor even their possibility of visiting Earth. I simply don't believe the official story nor even the fringe story on these matters, and "disclosure*" is always a psyop.
Here's a normie article skeptical on the *subject; it isn't without bias, but if one looks long enough, I bet there will be an almost identical sentiment from a side with an opposing bias, i.e. it's pretty level headed and rooted in open-minded scientific inquiry.

With respect, I said UFO as in the strictest sense of Unidentified Flying Object, which is what they are. It's what the Aurora project was (Stealth aircraft used in X-files as UFOs, mistaken for UFOs, but they were military experimental aircraft).
As for the crop circles, there are a lot of differences in the geometry and lay-of-the-corn between the authentic crop circles from unknown sources, and two fellas with a plank of wood.
That cover story ended the interest in crop circles in the normie media overnight. I remember it happening, I remember calling the cover story bullshit and being laughed at. Crop circles need more investigation and it won't happen because now you're mad for questioning the narrative...funny that.
Just like Big foot, there's something there, but the FUD and narrative prevents serious discussion or investigation.

OTOH, flat earth is designed to muddy the waters of conspiracy theorists. It's bullshit, but people use it as a "If you believe in X, then surely you believe in flat earth". All distractions.

 

[Marc]

there are a lot of differences in the geometry and lay-of-the-corn between the authentic crop circles from unknown sources, and two fellas with a plank of wood.

This is what distinguishes profound corn?

 

[Otterly]

Haast's Eagle

They’re extinct though aren’t they? Or do you mean they did once exist? Like ‘this was the Roc.’

there are a lot of differences in the geometry and lay-of-the-corn between the authentic crop circles from unknown sources, and two fellas with a plank of wood.

Ok, I’m interested. Can you summarise the differences? Or an article (not a video.) I do think crop circles are interesting

 

[Fek]

It's bullshit

It certainly seems to be the most divisive topic this thread has seen to date, with the "Old World" or "Tartaria" in a solid second place. The topic of landing on the Moon, I would suggest, likely places third..and I only place it behind the "Old World" because I recall far more overall (and relatively speaking) respectful discussion going on the last couple times Moon shenanigans came up.

It's fascinating seeing where lines in the sand appear for even those who are otherwise open-minded compared to most of the public. Where the intellectual outrage kicks in, insults get dusted off and hurled around, etc. Edit: And that's not me singling you out, fren! Just speaking to the greater topic.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

They’re extinct though aren’t they? Or do you mean they did once exist? Like ‘this was the Roc.’

One of many animals that was once classed as a load of old bollocks, then it turned out real.

Ok, I’m interested. Can you summarise the differences? Or an article (not a video.) I do think crop circles are interesting

This is AI summary:

Distinguishing between a real crop circle and a hoax can be challenging, but some key differences exist. Real crop circles often involve the stalks being bent halfway up, while hoaxes usually involve the stalks being flattened on the ground. Furthermore, real circles might have complex, intricate patterns that are difficult to replicate with simple tools, whereas hoaxes tend to be simpler and more easily identifiable.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

Real Crop Circles (Potential Indicators):

• Bent Stalks:
  One of the primary indicators of a real crop circle is that the stalks are bent halfway up, rather than simply flattened on the ground.
  
  
• Intricate Patterns:
  Many real crop circles have highly complex and intricate designs that are difficult for humans to create with simple tools.
  
  
• Anomalous Magnetic Fields:
  Some investigators have reported anomalous magnetic field readings within and around crop circles.
  
  
• No Traces of Hoaxes:
  Real circles often lack any obvious signs of human intervention, like footprints or tools.
  
  
• Difficulty in Replication:
  The complexity of some real circles makes it difficult for people to replicate them using simple tools and methods.
  

Fake Crop Circles (Potential Indicators):

• Flattened Stalks:
  Hoaxes usually involve the stalks being flattened on the ground, rather than bent halfway up.
  
  
• Simple Patterns:
  Fake circles tend to have simpler designs that are easily replicated with basic tools.
  
  
• Evidence of Human Intervention:
  Hoaxes often leave behind evidence of human intervention, like footprints or tools.
  
  
• Easy to Explain:
  Fake circles are usually easily explained as the work of hoaxers or pranksters.
  
  
• Close to Roads or Tourist Areas:
  Many hoax circles are found near roads or tourist areas, making them more accessible to hoaxers.

The corn lay is the hardest to fake as, using a board and wood breaks the corn, where as the 'real' crop circles, the corn is intact and lays down in a uniform way. There's a more complicated explanation about how the corn crop is laid, not broken, the leaves are flattened and elongated and not squashed, as if a uniform force has pressed them down and not violently crushed them underfoot.



The official story is that two lads with wood and string made geometrically perfect patterns like this, in one night. It's too perfect for two men to do with string and boards. It's the most insulting 'explanation' to a phenomena I've ever heard. It's more retarded than the explanation of why we needed to mask up and how the flu disappeared for two years because people locked down - even though we still caught covid...

Quora explanation which is quite in depth

Why files episode on crop circles - Added for those who want to watch a fascinating (and one of my favourite) episodes.

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

It certainly seems to be the most divisive topic this thread has seen to date, with the "Old World" or "Tartaria" in a solid second place. The topic of landing on the Moon, I would suggest, likely places third..and I only place it behind the "Old World" because I recall far more overall (and relatively speaking) respectful discussion going on the last couple times Moon shenanigans came up.

It's fascinating seeing where lines in the sand appear for even those who are otherwise open-minded compared to most of the public. Where the intellectual outrage kicks in, insults get dusted off and hurled around, etc.

I'm open to the craziest of shit, I've posted most of it in this thread. However, I am defensive of this subject because it's the topic that single-handedly does the most damage to real conspiracy theories (real, as in those that existed before conspiracy theories become political slop ideas hopped on by nigger-worshipping normiecattle).

Also, the 'evidence' put forward by flat earthers is just factually incorrect. No-one in antiquity or history ever thought the Earth was flat. None. No one. The idea that 'hur dur we fly in a straight line because of a map' is retarded. Of course we fly in a straight line on a map, it's because a globe is a 3d object and a map is 2d.
The idea that "the other side of Antarctica" (Admiral Byrd) means there's an ice wall, is a misinterpretation of what is common parlance "I'm off to the other side of the field/town/country".

No evidence I've seen is evidence of a flat earth and is instead more evidence that something dodgy is going on in/around space.

 

[Otterly]

The corn lay

Ahhhh yeah I think I remember seeing something on this. The guys with boards tread the corn down but the circles don’t have that do they? It’s more like they’ve been superheated or ‘grown, but fast’ that way?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Ahhhh yeah I think I remember seeing something on this. The guys with boards tread the corn down but the circles don’t have that do they? It’s more like they’ve been superheated or ‘grown, but fast’ that way?

The leaves spread, as if they've spread out to capture more sun, but super quick and flattened like that. Supposedly 3000 degrees Celcius in flash heating (It's in the Quora link as well).

I was trying to find a comparison between real and man-made (with planks of wood) crop circles to demonstrate the difference in complexity and quality, and I can't find any that aren't just AI generated images. Very strange.

 

[indomitable snowman]

My logic for not getting the vaxx was as follows:
"Why would i put my health into the hands of a company that price gouges insulin, and gleefully profits from opioid addiction? Especially if the vaxx is new and untested and i would have no legal recourse due to immunity to prosecution?"

It was infuriating how fast the narrative went from "Big pharma bad" to "Big pharma is literally if Jesus owned a company."

Late 2020, Biden, Kamala et all say they're not getting the trump vax because it's rushed and from trump or whatever. Many NPCs agree because trump bad. Vaccine skepticism is A-OK at this point and I got no push back from a few people I had conversations with at the time. Immediately after the election, the results come in and it's "95-99% safe and effective". Then you have the initial roll-out and you have things like nurses collapsing on TV and disappearing and early reports of some pretty bad side effects like heart attacks. Suddenly that same skepticism that I had just 2-3 months ago was now anti science. My position never changed, but the media reporting and progressive NPC signaling changed. In that moment, I knew there was no absolutely no hope for these people (2020 dashed by hope by 90%, this took the last 10%).
Meanwhile, you had the popular book Dopesick get turned into a TV show, the J&J lawsuits for the talc powder ongoing, the complete fabrication of Alzheimer's research was coming out. But yet this one thing can never be questioned, could never be put in doubt, and must be taken (and boosted forever).

Oh and just to repost my most recent post on the covid thread, you were labeled a Domestic Violent Extremest by the federal government if you had these views.

New documents published this week that show the Biden administration labeled the people against the coof mandates domestic violent extremists. These people are genuinely evil and I'm glad this coming to light. BLM was allowed to terrorize endless cities for months, but you get labeled and categorized as a violent extremist for speaking out against the mandates.

https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/...andate-opponents-domestic-violent-extremists/ | https://archive.ph/dUOhi

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[Whoopsie Daisy]

Remember the initial marketing of the jab? "On and done". That was touted all over for about two weeks before it turned into 2 jabs, 100% safe and effective. Which became 80% safe and effective. Which became 2 jabs and a booster, 70% safe and effective. Which turned into "you can still get covid, but it won't be as bad".

Just like you, @indomitable snowman, I knew 90% of NPCs were no-hopers, but COVID, the messaging, the willingness to suck the boot of the state and play organs to alert the state to the non-believers, removed any hope for people. I went from "NPCs are so dumb, lulz they are silly" to "NPCs are dangerous and need gassing".

It's crazy to see how effective messaging and marketing can be on a population, in real time. We were two steps away (camps, then extermination) from being shoved into ovens.

 

[12345]

Wake up, Babe, new potentially Earth-killing asteroid just dropped.

Amazingly it's really hard to track because it's in the Sun's glare.

 

[Pedophobe]

No-one in antiquity or history ever thought the Earth was flat. None. No one.

So what's the whole Atlas holding up the Pillars of the Earth and the Sky being a dome to keep the Waters Above out and shit all about then? Just fiction?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

This mystery was solved 30 years ago. People just don't like believing in boring things.

YMMV. People in the UK remember the crop circles well because it seemed to hit us more than anyone else. The idea that some fellas with planks of wood did it is the same belief as believing having a vax to protect from a cough, then getting said cough, is totally OK.

So what's the whole Atlas holding up the Pillars of the Earth and the Sky being a dome to keep the Waters Above out and shit all about then? Just fiction?

Just an art piece.

The ancients Greeks, namely Eratosthenes (I googled it) in 3rd century BC accurately calculated the circumference of the Earth. One could argue that the ancient sumerians didn't believe in the spherical Earth, as it was more a snow-globe shape. But, that's not a flat earth, it's a depiction of how they saw the Earth and, to be fair to them, they were the first known civilisation to write shit down. (3500 BC)
However, the idea that civilisations since believed in a flat earth is a bit dumb. If there was a conspiracy to silence past history and knowledge, and I strongly believe that there was, I can't be on board the idea that the suppression started 2500 years ago, when we discovered so much afterwards.

I do believe that there are anomalies on Earth, in orbit and in space, things we can't explain or we can and the knowledge is hidden. However, that the Earth is flat is not one of those and it's a pure distraction. It's disinformation to distract people and have them looking in the wrong direction or using the correct answers on the incorrect questions.

To be clear, I'm not saying don't believe in what you believe in, or that you should just listen to me, or anyone else. I'm just suggesting that whenever you come across an anomaly that is answered by the earth being flat, temporarily disregard that answer and keep seeking another explanation.

 

[Pedophobe]

One could argue that the ancient sumerians didn't believe in the spherical Earth, as it was more a snow-globe shape. But, that's not a flat earth,

The base part was the Earth, with the Underworld beneath it, and the globe part was the Sky though, so that's a lot closer to the Flat Earth model than it is to our current understanding.

The idea that "everybody thought the Earth was flat in the old days" is obviously bullshit but I think you're going to far if you try to claim "nobody anywhere ever thought the Earth was flat".

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

The base part was the Earth, with the Underworld beneath it, and the globe part was the Sky though, so that's a lot closer to the Flat Earth model than it is to our current understanding.

The idea that "everybody thought the Earth was flat in the old days" is obviously bullshit but I think you're going to far if you try to claim "nobody anywhere ever thought the Earth was flat".

We can agree to disagree because there's not enough evidence to say that a civilisation absolutely believed the Earth was flat because they believed they lived on a disc, rather than an interpretation of old text that suggested they lived in a snow globe.

Either way, if that civilisation, 5,000 years ago believed that the earth was flat, and I'm willing to concede that for the sake of not getting bogged down in the weeds of the B plot, that this information was suppressed 3500 years, while at the same time, advances in every subject known to man were allowed, only to suppress them again, to me, it doesn't track.
Hiding the history of dinosaurs, giants, continents on earth, free energy, technological advancements post 1850 and purposefully stagnating technology for the past 150 years I believe. The Earth being flat and it being hidden information? It doesn't track.

 

[12345]

Only 5,000 years ago? When Plato was talking about Atlantis that was 9,000 years in his past. Göbeklitepe is 12,000 years old and now there have been older places discovered that are even older by a couple of thousand years. Or is your brand of conspiracy theory the one that the Bible is literal and the world is only 6,000 years old?

 

[Whoopsie Daisy]

Only 5,000 years ago? When Plato was talking about Atlantis that was 9,000 years in his past. Göbeklitepe is 12,000 years old and now there have been older places discovered that are even older by a couple of thousand years. Or is your brand of conspiracy theory the one that the Bible is literal and the world is only 6,000 years old?

5,000 years ago was the oldest recorded writing, or at least, the oldest we're allowed to read.

I do believe that Atlantis was in the pacific ocean and there's a hidden continent there. Gobeklitepe is older than 12,000 years old and we aren't the first civilisation cycle to have happened on Earth. I don't believe that the Earth is flat and there are far, far more important and world-changing truths out there than "we live on an disc, not a tennis ball". Ultimately, it changes little in comparison to other things that could be (are) been hidden.

The Pyramids and Sphinx weren't built by the Egyptians and they are 30,000 years old at least. Or, at least since the previous cycle of the stars.

 

[The Ugly One]

However, the idea that civilisations since believed in a flat earth is a bit dumb.

Believing in a flat earth is dumb if you access to the sea. It wasn't hard for the Greeks to figure out why they couldn't see Egypt. However, a few landlocked civilizations, like the Babylonians, believed in a flat earth, which makes sense when you realize there's not really anywhere you can see all the way to the end of things from on the ground in Iraq.

 

[Fek]

Regarding the crop circles discussion - I simply cannot recommend "The Why Files" episode on it enough to all interested in the topic. Easily one of the most readily and widely digestible takes on the matter.

And this most recent discussion is especially neat!

Believing in a flat earth is dumb if you access to the sea.

What, in particular, about the sea stands out to you in this instance? Circumventing Circumnavigating the map by water? The horizon?

I don't believe that the Earth is flat and there are far, far more important and world-changing truths out there than "we live on an disc, not a tennis ball". Ultimately, it changes little in comparison to other things that could be (are) been hidden.

What would you place more stress upon unveiling? Or rather, what would you deem to be more world-changing?

I'm simply curious to learn more how you fine upstanding fellows see the world. I adore being granted the opportunity to be shown the world as someone else sees it. All perspective is good perspective.