Greer v. Moon, No. 20-cv-00647 (D. Utah Sep. 16, 2020)

[Irene and 22 others]

It's not a lot to read into, the overall sense is one of tard-guarding. I think it does set the stage for the Magistrate's "death march to trial" I keep accusing him of, because each ruling is trying to keep the case from getting tossed, either from unanswered motions or unpaid money.

Greer has multiple case-ending sanctions swords dangling over his head; recent rulings have made it seem clear that both judges are experiencing Greer fatigue and have grown tired of his shit. If they really hate him, they'll keep stringing him along with additional sanctions and threats of terminating the case if he fails to pay them. Russ is exactly the sort to throw bad money after good and his latest behavior certainly warrants additional sanctions. Let's see how much of that supposed $5,000 in savings he's willing to spend on keeping this dumpster fire blazing.

The judges have to realize that allowing this trainwreck to go to trial is not at all in their interests as there's already so much that could be used to appeal this mess. Letting Greer spin his wheels and shit up the docket with irrelevant filings or motions which undermine his own case is in their best interest though as it makes it far harder for Greer to successfully appeal any ruling against him. At least Hardin seems to be taking all of this in stride or even finds some personal amusement from what is otherwise a frustrating case. He's definitely getting under Greer's skin and shitlips definitely hates him more than he ever did Skordas.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

a shitty job

Even a $14 an hour shitty job can be garnished.

 

[obsdj]

This case, nonsensical as it is, is starting to look favorable after a very long time of protracted bullshit. Antagonizing the district judge now with a move that has almost zero chance of working would be levels of retardation to rival the great Stebbins himself.

Yeah, as fucky as it all is, a writ of mandamus is considered an extraordinary remedy that's rarely granted, especially if it's not an emergency. Plus in this case the writ would go to the 10th Circuit for review, and I don't see them readily admitting their mistake at this stage of the game. All Hardin would be doing with a writ of mandamus would be pissing off the judge. He has already preserved the objection on the improper sanctions ruling, he can keep doing that on the record as needed until the judges come to their senses (or it goes before a jury, whichever happens first).

 

[HackerX]

Greer has multiple case-ending sanctions swords dangling over his head;

What's the timeframe from the one the judge took under consideration on May 6? Where Hardin said the "moving back to Utah bell can't be unwrung" and Russ's reply was more plightsperging and "I messed up but this case isn't unwinnable".

 

[DHugo]

Even a $14 an hour shitty job can be garnished.

He can make it hard. He moves states and switches jobs. You can still garnish, but it's a procedure, and then he does it again. Gets a job with under-the-table payment.
You can get away from debts if you don't plan on living a good life or own anything.

 

[DavidS877]

He can make it hard. He moves states and switches jobs. You can still garnish, but it's a procedure, and then he does it again. Gets a job with under-the-table payment.
You can get away from debts if you don't plan on living a good life or own anything.

If he were a 'normal' person, maybe. I don't think he's going to drop his brothel dreams. Even if he does there's still an entire site filled with autistic retarded niggerfaggots who would probably have no problem keeping up with his current location.

 

[Unknown God]

He can make it hard. He moves states and switches jobs. You can still garnish, but it's a procedure, and then he does it again. Gets a job with under-the-table payment.
You can get away from debts if you don't plan on living a good life or own anything.

But he is still under the delusion that he is going right back to writing shitty songs and paying starving artists to perform them as soon as he wins his unwinnable case and strongarms Josh into removing his threads. I'm not a lawperson but I imagine that if he has a large judicial debt looming over him then that's game over on advertising paid singing jobs on X or larping as a future whorehouse owner or any such nonsense, since Josh (or whoever Josh sells the debt to if he doesn't want the hassle) can tattle to the court if he keeps representing that he has money but doesn't want to pay. And those delusions are probably the only thing keeping him from becoming an hero.

 

[Dyn]

At what point would it be prudent to file a writ of mandamus against Judge Barlow?

Never. You would appeal his actions instead. It's only prudent to try mandamusing a judge when they're making retarded orders that can't be remedied later, like the release of privileged information or something similar.

 

[HackerX]

Never. You would appeal his actions instead. It's only prudent to try mandamusing a judge when they're making retarded orders that can't be remedied later, like the release of privileged information or something similar.

Hrm. I'm shocked Russ hasn't tried that already to stop Hardin from doing the public information requests. He already submitted a hissy fit motion to stop it right now right now right now, so it's not like it's a huge leap of faith to think he'd stomp his feet even more.

 

[Napoleon III]

At what point would it be prudent to file a writ of mandamus against Judge Barlow? Does he need to do something especially egregious or does he just need to show a consistent pattern of behavior of decisions filed in favor of one side? Or does the writ just compel Judge Barlow to dismiss the case for failure to act on prejudicial material?

I understand where this comes from. The court has fucked up this case so you look for the correct method to make it function properly. The problem is that the legal system is inherently broken in many ways.

I think the way the legal system is broken can be exemplified with the Supreme court denying to review the appeal granted by the 10th circuit. The 10th should have been smacked with a big stick for that decision but because the Supreme court has too much to do or doesn't care enough the 10th circuit gets away with it.

Which is sort of the point I was trying to make when I pointed out that this case would get transferred back to Utah even though on procedural grounds it should have been impossible according to the law.

Courts can get away with doing all kinds of things because the mechanisms to stop them are not strong enough. The law is supposed to be a reflection what actually occurs rather than an idealistic suggestion. What this means is that there are basically unwritten laws that are obscure and hard to find.

This is the hallmark of a broken and corrupt legal system. You cannot fix it and you cannot force it to work correctly. The best you can do is try to figure out the unwritten rules as best as possible and try to win within the confines of the broken system. Which is why you need a lawyer and why the Kiwifarms benefits so much from Matthew Hardin.

 

[obsdj]

What's the timeframe from the one the judge took under consideration on May 6? Where Hardin said the "moving back to Utah bell can't be unwrung" and Russ's reply was more plightsperging and "I messed up but this case isn't unwinnable".

Judge didn't give one. I think he's sitting on it until Hardin files his response to the objection to the motion to dismiss (the deadline for which is June 30) but he could surprise us I guess.

He can make it hard. He moves states and switches jobs. You can still garnish, but it's a procedure, and then he does it again. Gets a job with under-the-table payment.
You can get away from debts if you don't plan on living a good life or own anything.

He's not leaving Nevada while it's the only state prostitution is legal in.

Hrm. I'm shocked Russ hasn't tried that already to stop Hardin from doing the public information requests. He already submitted a hissy fit motion to stop it right now right now right now, so it's not like it's a huge leap of faith to think he'd stomp his feet even more.

Oh no. I hope Greer does not try a writ of mandamus. I especially hope he does not show up to the next Zoom hearing with a gold-fringed American flag tied around his head, thereby automatically making this a maritime case and transferring it to admiralty court. Ssssssshhhhhhhhh.

 

[Allied-Mastercomputer]

This is the hallmark of a broken and corrupt legal system. You cannot fix it and you cannot force it to work correctly. The best you can do is try to figure out the unwritten rules as best as possible and try to win within the confines of the broken system. Which is why you need a lawyer and why the Kiwifarms benefits so much from Matthew Hardin.

This is true and Hardin is a blessing. This is all hypothetical as most of what I know about law has been learned from following this case alone. (Scary, isn’t it?)

However, out of curiosity I turned to the foremost legal expert I know, ChatGPT, to list cases where a writ of Mandamus was successfully argued for and it was pretty interesting.

Spoiler: ChatGPT Writ List

Notable Cases Involving Writs of Mandamus Against Judges

1. Marbury v. Madison (1803)
   This landmark U.S. Supreme Court case involved William Marbury seeking a writ of mandamus to compel Secretary of State James Madison to deliver his commission as a justice of the peace. Although the Court ultimately ruled that Marbury was entitled to the commission, it held that the provision of the Judiciary Act of 1789 granting the Supreme Court original jurisdiction over such matters was unconstitutional, thereby denying the writ. This case established the principle of judicial review.
2. In re Fahey (1947)
   In this case, the U.S. Supreme Court considered whether a writ of mandamus could be issued to compel a judge to act. The Court emphasized that mandamus is an extraordinary remedy reserved for truly exceptional circumstances. The writ was denied because the petitioner failed to demonstrate that the judge had a clear, non-discretionary duty to perform.
3. Glassroth v. Moore (2003)
   This case involved a federal district court ordering Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the state judicial building. When Moore refused to comply, the Alabama Supreme Court issued a writ of mandamus directing the building manager to remove the monument, highlighting the use of mandamus to enforce judicial compliance.
4. In re Schmitz (2009)
   In this Texas case, the Texas Supreme Court issued a writ of mandamus compelling a trial judge to rule on a motion to dismiss. The court emphasized that mandamus is appropriate when a judge refuses to perform a ministerial duty, such as ruling on a motion, and no adequate remedy by appeal exists.

Conclusion

While writs of mandamus against judges are rare and typically reserved for exceptional circumstances, they have been issued in cases where a judge fails to perform a clear, non-discretionary duty. These cases underscore the principle that judicial officers are not above the law and must adhere to their legal obligations.

Out of all of those, I would feel that In re Schmitz (2009) from Texas would best apply, however it sounds like it’s restricted to a judge’s refusal to rule on a motion and not a judge issuing an improper ruling. That’s reserved for appeals.

The more you know!

 

[YouTube Autist]

At this point, Russell's fury toward Hardin has grown to such proportions that I wouldn't be surprised if he conceived of Hardin as the central villain in his life even after this lawsuit is concluded.

I don't think it is in the record, though we have it here from when Null posted the zip of the emails. The threatening email was sent on the morning of Monday the 19th:
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I'm not seeing this one in Hardin's filings, am I blind?

obsdj!!!’

What is wrong with you?

I noticed in the second document (ECF 314, Exhibit C), Russell Greer conveniently cropped out his closing sentence to Hardin: "Fuck off, kindly" from his ebidence.

View attachment 7403108

It was just a wittle mistake your honow! Thewe's no decewption hewe!

Matthew,

You are insane.

The bluntness of that opener really gets me.

 

[HackerX]

Oh no. I hope Greer does not try a writ of mandamus. I especially hope he does not show up to the next Zoom hearing with a gold-fringed American flag tied around his head, thereby automatically making this a maritime case and transferring it to admiralty court. Ssssssshhhhhhhhh.

I mean, there's something similar along the lines of Russ's pursuit of a restraining order in his attempt to remove Hardin from the case. Ol' Sandwich Sean himself alluded to omegalulz if Russ continues to pursue that, lest I'm a wee retard who has no idea as to what those omegalulz would be.

 

[Harvey Danger]

Judge didn't give one. I think he's sitting on it until Hardin files his response to the objection to the motion to dismiss (the deadline for which is June 30) but he could surprise us I guess.

This continues to annoy me, because Hardin explicitly asked for that extension so that the judge could rule on all the other stuff, and Greer could comply with a number of things (discovery order, fees, sanction payment, etc).

If the judge wasn't planning to rule on the relevant issues before the 30th, he should have bumped out the deadline further. If he was planning on it, he should have given an estimated timeline to avoid adding cost to the defense. Pulling a Greer and waiting until June 29 11:59 PM would force Hardin to start work on the response ahead of time, since he doesn't know what the judge intends.

Yes, I know the judge doesn't have to give a date, he can set his own timeline, etc. But in the interests of un-fucking this docket, I wish he had given some indication, of his own volition.

 

[Hamsteroid]

There's a timeline in which "The Kiwi Farms" is the name of a Brothel in the southwest United States with the most confused owner ever.

*record scratch*
*freeze frame*
Hello chyat. You're probably wondering how I got into this situation. It all started with … wait, let me get the hamster first."

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

It's never been inside a woman so worst case scenario it's going to be a bit inflamed from excessive tug tug. Greer is one of the safest johns around as long as you wear a snorkel to avoid drowning in spit.

It's been in plenty of legal and illegal hookers at this point. No sane woman would go near it for that reason alone.

 

[DavidS877]

This continues to annoy me, because Hardin explicitly asked for that extension so that the judge could rule on all the other stuff, and Greer could comply with a number of things (discovery order, fees, sanction payment, etc).

My guess/hope is the judge is just waiting to see what Russ does with getting the information from Utah over to Mr. Hardin so he can consider sanctions there, if needed, as well as 234. I know they're different "flavors" of sanctions but I could see him bundling them.

 

[jerkstore]

At this point, Russell's fury toward Hardin has grown to such proportions that I wouldn't be surprised if he conceived of Hardin as the central villain in his life even after this lawsuit is concluded.

russell very much felt the same toward greg skordas when he represented taylor swift and ariana grande (and later, null). the “john smith” character in russell’s book intended to represent skordas is cartoonishly “evil.” his introduction in the book is smith defending an alleged rapist by “bullying” a witness and winning the case.

 

[Lapis Lazuli Blue]

I am just wondering did Hardin actually ever find out if Steve Taylor was dead. I ask as when we first heard the name it was assumed to be fake name. Hardin went looking for him and could not find him. When Rusty was called out on this he said O he is dead. So are we just going off the word of a lying, liar who lies? Or did we ever get confirmation of this?